Why isn't there a *Pixar* in Europe?

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  1. Wyldgusechaz

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    In continuing on my neo con rant against America trying to be more like Europe: Now to their art across the Atlantic

    The vibrancy of any society is reflected in its art. Italy of the renaissance was surely a very vibrant society. IMO the art coming from Europe is relentlessly dull and umimaginative. The movies are dull and mind numbingly negative. Look at the graphics of their ads and again, IMO, dull and boring. In traveling across Italy, the dress, there in one of fashion's centers, is dull and boring. Everyone wears denim in black or blue and long sleeve shirts w/o color. You won't see board shorts or colorful sandals or colorful dresses. Its like a dull uniform of the youth. Denim long jeans and a long sleeve shirt. Over and over.

    Now contrast that with a trip thru Cailfornia. Start in the Castro section of SF. then go to the wine country, then Lake Tahoe and the snowboard culture, and then to Hollywood, Venice Beach and then to the pier in Huntington Beach and the sailing culture of Newport Beach. End up in Chula Vista of San Diego county. I promise there will be an amazingly different code/fashion of dress from place to place. Not Italy. Denim jeans, black or blue with long sleeve shirts both boys and girls. From Venice to Sicily.

    Back to the original premise: Why no Pixar? Why is all the really brilliant animation and CGI almost exclusively American and Asian? At least Japan has its anime, manga and hentai porn LOL. Europe? Dead.

    Where is there beginning to be real art? India. Why? Its young and becoming more and more hip. Its not accident that Slumdog Millionaire was of India. The music was vibrant, and the energy of the country was evident. All Bollywood films end with that sort of dance number that SD ended with. Can you even imagine the cast of a German or French flilm ending with that joyous ode to youth and enthusiasm? Not likely.

    Why can't Europe produce a *Toy Story* or a *Madagascar* or a *Lion King?* That does not depend on language or stars or movie sets. It depends on the creativity of the human mind only, with some software tools. Thats it. Art takes many forms, whether it is the classic beauty of the *Pieta* or Renoir's *Luncheon of the Boating Party* or it can be perfect shadowing of an amazingly crafted cartoon character done by energetic people of vision. Why does America produce visionaries like Steven Jobs or Bill Gates and yet I cannot seem to find their counterpart in Europe. Why do we have a Steven Spielberg or an M. Night Shylaman or a Coppola or an Ang Lee? The last European directors I can conjer up of note was Ingmar Bergman and Fellini, and they are long long gone.

    Do we really want to be Europe with its mind numbing uniformity? I hold England apart from Europe, I love their soccer hooligans and much of English music. Europe has given us ABBA and Ace of Base. And 99 Red Ballooons and Die Kommisar and Electronica.
     
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    I do not expect someone who is this ignorant to understand art.

    You're just trying to get people angry at you and you're actually more provoking than starinvestor. I actually HAVE better things to do and you're so not worth it. At least Star is willing to be open minded about things (not so much Obama :p). So this will be my last post in any of your threads, bye.

    Just to make it clear one more time, Europe is NOT inferior to America.
     
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    Slumdog Millionaire's a Uk film.
     
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    I know it was. Directed by Danny Boyle who did Trainspotting. However filmed in a Bollywood style, the ending was all Bollywood. Now SP can we even for a second transpose that film to a French or German or Italian setting? You tell me. The energy was pure India with a British driver.
     
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    Perhaps you should take a look at Sylvain Chomet's Belleville Rendez-vous. An amazing French animated film. It may be a little adult for your taste though. :rolleyes:
     
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    I don't understand art? Oh yes I do. Art and architecture reflect the creativity of a society. Whether it be the Pyramids of Egypt, the Collosus(sp?) of Rhodes, the mosiacs of the Cathedral of St Mark in Venice, or the writings of Shakespeare, the music of La Traviata, I sure as hell understand it. Do you?

    More later. And don't go away mad fire back but fire back hard and not like a surly loser.
     
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    Woody Allen's new work is a flowering renaissance ever since he moved operations to Europe. Particularly "Match Point" and "Vicky Cristina Barcelona".

    "Match Point" is set is England & Allen thinks it's "arguably" his best film. It's grossed $85.3 million (over $23 million domestically, over $62 million abroad).

    "Vicky Cristina Barcelona" is set in Spain. It's budget was $15 million and grossed over $88 million worldwide.
     
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    3D animation in the states - anthropomorphic critters with fast food tie-ins, merchandising and t-shirt friendly catch phrases?


    Animation across the pond - CARTOON MOVIE : Selected Projects

    Persepolis.
    Renaissance.
    Fear(s) of the Dark.

    all available on DVD.
     
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    Heh... smart people know the better cartoons come from Japan anyhow. :biggrin:
     
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    Ah the ever present denigration of American art, although it is far more beautiful and creative than European art at this time. Whats wrong with a corporate tie in if the art itself is good? I do not see the harm. You must.

    There looks to be some interesting stuff. Most looks really crude and amateurish but there does appear to be hope. Of course if the stories and the art are well done it should easily translate across borders. Americans should be able to do voice overs that make the characters universal and not europe specific. No need for Brad Pitt or Sean Penn.


    If not lets just say nice try, do better next time.

    Another thought: Are there hot video games coming out of Europe? I am not a gamer so I have no idea.
     
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    When you hold up that big kultural 'Mericuhn mirror what stands out for you?

    Architecture

    • The cement pad box homes of Levittown or the ubiquitous ranch-style rectangles -- with or without car ports -- cluttering the western 'Mericuhn landscapes.
    • The phallic works of I.M. Pei or Wright's prarie-style homes of the early 1900's and Taliesin West (foot hills of Scottsdale).
    • Strip malls or Vegas kitsch?
    • Alice Tulley Hall or Walt Disney Concert Hall?
    Literature

    • Play It As It Lays (Joan Didion) or The Pelican Brief (John Grisham)?
    • Portrait of a Lady (Henry James) or The Age of Innocence (Edith Wharton)
    • The Great Gatsby (Fitzgerald) or The Sun Also Rises (Hemingway)
    • The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn or Tom Sawyer (Mark Twain in a competition against himself)
    Theatre

    • Our Town (T. Wilder) or Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf (E. Albee)?
    • Cat on a Hot Tin Roof (T. Williams) or Long Days Journey into Night (O'Neill)
    • Death of a Salesman (A. Miller) or The Women (C.B. Luce)

    Cinema


    • Star Wars or 2001: A Space Odyssey?
    • The Ten Commandments (DeMille) or Sparticus (Kubrick)
    Music

    • The compositions of Phillip Glass or the film scores of John Williams?
    • Nixon in China (John Adams) or Four Saints in Three Acts (V. Thompson)

    Painting

    • Andrew Wyeth's Cristina's World or Jackson Pollock's Number 31, 1950?
    Pedestrian Stereotypes

    • A Southern Cotillion Queen or a Valley Girl?
    • A pitt bull Hocky Mom or the President of the Junior League?
    • Stay-at-home mothers or mothers who have to work (single or married)
    Just wondering. :wink:

    Oh, and I should add something I like to say about art, in general: I don't know Art, but when I meet him I'm going to kill him -- the annoying little bastard!
     
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