Why Obama is a good president.

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LOL . . . the ineffective guy who accomplished more in his first two years than just about any president in history.

It's a world full of contradictions. :smile:


Most people do not brag about "accomplishing" detriment.

ie, more debt in his first two years than Bush in 8. I know, "Its all Bush's fault"

Shoving "Obamacare" down our throats while 73% of Americans were against it.

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Most people do not brag about "accomplishing" detriment.

ie, more debt in his first two years than Bush in 8. I know, "Its all Bush's fault"

Shoving "Obamacare" down our throats while 73% of Americans were against it.

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Where do you get these statistics?

Also the quote in your signature about freedom is kind of funny considering the war I'm guessing it came from.
 

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My BIGGEST problem with Obama is Giethner. His fuck ups and his allegiance to Wall Street and his multiple assists to the Banks have all been exposed, and yet... Obama begs him to STAY... even after the first ever credit downgrade for us. WTF??!!!???
:shrug: Maybe lack of confidence or his beliefs actual mirror those of Mr. Geithner? Impossible to know, but to paraphrase a friend's adage, "the king's the power", and at the end of the day Mr. Geithner acts on behalf of President Obama. :(


Most people do not brag about "accomplishing" detriment.

ie, more debt in his first two years than Bush in 8. I know, "Its all Bush's fault"

Shoving "Obamacare" down our throats while 73% of Americans were against it.

...
The legacy of policy that contributed to the debt is as important as the fact of the debt itself. Being reasonable in an assessment of this issue involves taking the longview, and there are more than a few pit-stops on that road, one being the most recent President Bush. But, no need to stop there. Personally, I like to begin in 1968.
 

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Here it is relative to the GDP:


Percent of GDP

Debt Held by the Public as a Percentage of Gross Domestic Product

Bush 2 year increase in debt =========== - 6.9% (at 32.5% in 2001)


Obama 2 year increase in Percent of GDP =========== 21.8% (at 62.1% in 2010)
 

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Here it is relative to the GDP:


Percent of GDP

Debt Held by the Public as a Percentage of Gross Domestic Product

Bush 2 year increase in debt =========== - 6.9% (at 32.5% in 2001)


Obama 2 year increase in Percent of GDP =========== 21.8% (at 62.1% in 2010)

You do realize a good chunk of that is the stimulus right? And the continuing wars started under Bush? And the continuation of the Bush Tax Cuts causing less revenue?
 

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Semantics, and you'd have to define accomplishments. People can pass 5,000,000 pieces of useless legislation.

Exactly. Semantics. Don't misrepresent what I say, and we'll be just fine. :smile:

I agree that useless legislation isn't much of an accomplishment. And I'll concede and much of the legislation pushed by Obama has been watered down, made less useful, by constant Republican opposition.

But if you're seriously interested in understanding what Obama *has* done, you should look into it. I don't have the space to enumerate the entire history here (and quite honestly, I don't know it all by heart anyway). Just do what I do: Google "Obama" and "accomplishments," then click on any of the several sites that can list a hundred or so of his achievements while in office.

I'm not saying that you should consider every item on the list as of stellar importance, and I certainly don't expect you to agree with all that he's done.

But once you've surveyed his accomplishments, it's hard to call him "ineffective"--which is the point I was making to begin with.
 

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You do realize a good chunk of that is the stimulus right? And the continuing wars started under Bush? And the continuation of the Bush Tax Cuts causing less revenue?


we went to war in 2003, so Bush funded 5 years of war while Obama has funded 3?

get real man.
 

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I don't believe he was quoting you in this post?

I read too quickly and since we had been going back and forth, thought it was towards me.

Not to mention that if I ever express a single left leaning view, conservatives automatically call me an Obama supporting socialist liberal. EVERY. TIME.

So I'm in auto-retort mode.
 
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