MercyfulFate
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All racism aside? You mean as racist as possible. I can't say I'm surprised in the least.
If a white person resembled Dr. Zaius, would it be racist?
All racism aside? You mean as racist as possible. I can't say I'm surprised in the least.
If a white person resembled Dr. Zaius, would it be racist?
If a white person resembled Dr. Zaius, would it be racist?
If there were a centuries-long tradition of comparing white people to apes, as part of a larger dehumanizing agenda of enslavement, oppression, and discrimination, then yes, it would be racist.
If.
Right right right. Exactly how daft are you?
Research indicates that associating blacks with apes is deeply embedded and has disturbing effects.
Race and the ape image
Just making it clear, but if someone does look like a Planet of the Apes character it isn't automatically racist.
No shit genius, I was asking you a goddamn question. Answering it instead of reverting to some high-horse superiority complex would have been preferred.
If there were a centuries-long tradition of comparing white people to apes, as part of a larger dehumanizing agenda of enslavement, oppression, and discrimination, then yes, it would be racist.
If.
EDIT: Or in another words, what sargon20 said. :smile:
This:
Right right right. Exactly how daft are you?
Research indicates that associating blacks with apes is deeply embedded and has disturbing effects.
Race and the ape image
Again, let's be clear. The comparison of GW Bush with Curious George is not about his being white. It's about his being an idiot.
The images of Obama as a chimp, or a pimp, or a loin-clothed native with a bone in his nose . . . well, you can figure those out for yourself.
Actually no, plenty were because he looks like a chimp. There's all the ones with his cheeks puffed out and his ears sticking out.
Yeah, and all that dark skin, too. Pretty cool how that works out.
Not dodging; I misunderstood you. Sorry.
I thought you were talking about the times *Obama* has been compared to a chimp, trying to maintain that it wasn't racist. My mistake.
All I'm saying is, it doesn't matter how many times Bush was compared to a chimp, that doesn't make it okay to use that same comparison with Obama. Because there is a whole long, sordid history of black people being likened to apes, and any such comparison nowadays can't help but carry that taint.
And of course, the people who put out these images of Obama know this full well. It's no accident that these images are racist. It's entirely intentional, a cynical attempt to exploit the worst of human impulses.
And it should be pointed out for what it is.
All I'm saying is, it doesn't matter how many times Bush was compared to a chimp, that doesn't make it okay to use that same comparison with Obama. Because there is a whole long, sordid history of black people being likened to apes, and any such comparison nowadays can't help but carry that taint.
And of course, the people who put out these images of Obama know this full well. It's no accident that these images are racist. It's entirely intentional, a cynical attempt to exploit the worst of human impulses.
And it should be pointed out for what it is.
My original point is it CAN be racist, but that doesn't mean it always is.