Why Obama should NOT be President, and why McCain should.

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  1. Pendlum

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    So, I don't actually have any argument to match the title, because that isn't my goal.

    I want people who plan on voting for McCain (Or for those who aren't American and think McCain is the right candidate) to list their reasons for why McCain should be, and Obama shouldn't. Nice and organized please. Perhaps in a list form or something. Also, please cite sources when you can.

    For those of the opposite opinion, PLEASE try and refrain from posting in this thread unless it is to point out an incorrect fact. (Example, if someone said Palin made a list of books to ban, but we know that she only inquired about banning books.)

    I hope nobody hates me for doing this, or thinks it's a waste of time. :tongue:

    Also, blatant self copy pasta. :biggrin1:
     
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    Could someone help me out with Hugo Chevez and the Russian bombers landing in Venezula today?
     
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    Wow, one post to go off topic.
     
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    Actually re read my post- its very much on the topic
     
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    Nope. I completely understood what you were implying. You might want to go ahead and re-read the original post. Your oblique implication of foreign policy experience doesn't quite work as a fact with citation.

    If you'd like to see how to do this kind of thing, you could check out my post in the other thread with links to support my points.
     
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    What is your opinion of what should be done? Nuclear strikes on Moscow?

    Some of these arguments are so completely irrational i really have to wonder if they are just a disguises for 'i don't want no black presidents.'
     
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    I just firmly believe the mccain team has the leadership experience needed to run this country whereas,the obama team doesnt.
     
  8. davec94

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    but really, what makes you believe that?
     
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    Good ole observation!
     
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    because he's black.
     
  11. dingdong

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    I am not American, I'm British, but from watching clips on youtube/our news, the reasons against Obama seem to be that:

    1. He is more of a celebrity figure - no substance
    2. He doesn't have the experience

    *for the record, I am impartial because i do no know enough about either party to form a judgement :)*
     
  12. sargon20

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    He's half white. So there. Ahh but the one drop rule has made him 'black'. What's so weak about white blood that one drop of black blood converts you over?
     
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    I think I read somewhere that McCain was a POW...
     
  14. curious n str8

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    The following data, taken from the public record, reveals each Presidential Candidate's proposed TAX Plan, if elected. Each taxpayer should become more informed before the November-08 General Election......or be willing to pay once taxes are enacted. Verifications of these facts are available at the end of this article.

    INTERESTING DATA ON TAXES

    Spread the word.....

    This is something you should be
    aware of so you don't get blind-sided.
    This is really going to catch a lot
    of families off guard. It should
    make you worry.

    Proposed changes in taxes after 2008 General election:
    ;

    CAPITAL GAINS TAX

    MCCAIN
    0% on home sales up to $500,000
    per home (couples) McCain does not
    propose any change in existing
    home sales income tax.

    OBAMA
    28% on profit from ALL home sales

    How does this affect you?
    If you sell your home and make a profit, you
    will pay 28% of your gain on taxes.
    If you are heading toward retirement
    and would like to down-size your
    home or move into a retirement
    community, 28% of the money you
    make from your home will go to taxes. This
    proposal will adversely affect the
    elderly who are counting on the income
    from their homes as part of their retirement income.

    DIVIDEND TAX

    MCCAIN 15% ( no change)

    OBAMA 39.6%

    How will this affect you?
    If you have any money invested in stock
    market, IRA, mutual funds,
    college funds, life insurance, retirement
    accounts, or anything that pays
    or reinvests dividends, you will now
    be paying nearly 4 0% of the money
    earned on taxes if Obama become president.
    The experts predict that 'higher
    tax rates on dividends and capital gains
    would crash the stock market yet
    do absolutely nothing to cut the deficit.

    INCOME TAX

    MCCAIN (no changes)

    Single making 30K - tax $4,500
    Single making 50K - tax $12,500
    Single making 75K - tax $18,750
    Married making 60K- tax $9,000
    Married making 75K - tax $18,750
    Married making 125K - tax $31,250

    OBAMA
    (reversion to pre-Bush tax cuts)
    Single making 30K - tax $8,400
    Single making 50K - tax $14,000
    Single making 75K - tax $23,250
    Married making 60K - tax $16,800
    Married making 75K - tax $21,000
    Married making 125K - tax $38,750


    Under Obama your taxes will
    more than double!

    How does this affect you? No explanation
    needed. This is pretty
    straight forward.

    INHERITANCE TAX

    MCCAIN 0% (No change, Bush repealed this tax)

    OBAMA Restore the inheritance tax

    How does this affect you? Many families
    have lost businesses,
    farms and ranches, and homes
    that have
    been in their families
    for generations because they could not
    afford the inheritance tax.
    Those willing their assets to loved
    ones will not only lose them to these taxes.

    NEW TAXES BEING PROPOSED BY OBAMA

    * New government taxes proposed on
    homes that are more than
    2400 square feet


    * New gasoline taxes (as if
    gas weren't high enough already)

    * New taxes on natural resources
    consumption (heating
    gas, water, electricity)

    * New taxes on retirement accounts
    and last but not least....

    * New taxes to pay for socialized medicine
    so we can receive the same
    level of medical care as other
    third-world countries!!!


    You can verify the above at the foll owing web sites:

    Election 2008: The candidates and your money - CNNMoney

    Taxes: Election Center 2008 - CNN.com

    RAW DATA: Fred Thompson’s Remarks at GOP Convention - America’s Election HQ

    McCain, Obama Offer Different Visions on Taxes

    Fact Checker Archive by Category

    http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/candidates/john_mccain/



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  15. Industrialsize

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    NEW TAXES BEING PROPOSED BY OBAMA

    * New government taxes proposed on
    homes that are more than
    2400 square feet


    * New gasoline taxes (as if
    gas weren't high enough already)

    * New taxes on natural resources
    consumption (heating
    gas, water, electricity)

    * New taxes on retirement accounts
    and last but not least....

    * New taxes to pay for socialized medicine
    so we can receive the same
    level of medical care as other
    third-world countries!!!

    What a big load of stinking CRAP...........show us all exactly were Senator obama has proposed any of these taxes!

     
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    Nothing. We didnt make the rules. But we have been made to live by them. Most allegedly bi racial children are more than half white but old habits and ideologies die hard.
     
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    At the person level, it is extremely difficult to assess the impact of their plan...

    At first glance, Obama seems easy on the lower middle class but many in those groups may have to sell their house or raid their 401k early and could get hit by some of his proposals.

    Both plans sidestep the bigger problem of our ginormous debt.

     
  18. curious n str8

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    What a big load of stinking CRAP...........show us all exactly were Senator obama has proposed any of these taxes! Indy did you not see the links at the end of the post? and at the beginning it did say proprosed I for one cannot take the chance that it could be wrong can you?
     
  19. Industrialsize

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    Oh,I saw your list of links..........funny thing is, I couldn't find ANY of the taxes you say Obama is going to raise on ANY of them...NOT ONE.......Obama is going to raise gas tax!GOOD GRIEF he is NOT
     
  20. B_ScaredLittleBoy

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    Curious...that's amazing.

    Is McCain going to pay off America's debt from his own money? That's very generous of him.

    If only every other country in the world had magical money and never had to raise taxes :rolleyes:

    (Curious has proved that neither he nor McCain knows anything of economics)
     
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