Why Open Borders Are Risky

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Europe 'now epicentre of coronavirus pandemic'

Had the world locked all borders the instant CV19 was known, and shut down all travel from China, and yes, carefully screened all travelers with Chinese names, this would not be the mess it is now.

Trump is perhaps the worst President in history, but this pandemic was caused by progressive “ open border” “never appear even remotely prejudiced or racist” policies.

This is on you, progressives.
 
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Why carefully screen all people with Chinese names? Wouldn't it have made more sense to screen everyone coming from China or who had recently visited?

Why do... people of certain political leaning always take a sensible stance and turn it into something racist/sexist/stupid?

Only in your world is being careful, 'racist' after all the bitching and complaining done toward Trump for not being more careful. Grow up.
 
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Too bad. If they were entering at a port of call, they get quarantined. Look at Europe, it is a nightmare. Trump is an idiot but he is smarter than you

I think thats what it comes down to, Trump may be an idiot, narrow minded, crass, rude, arrogant but I'd still rather be around him than some of the fools on the other side.
 
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Too bad. If they were entering at a port of call, they get quarantined. Look at Europe, it is a nightmare. Trump is an idiot but he is smarter than you

So it's a good idea to waste resources in a crisis? How does that make sense?

Quarantining people who went to or lived in China in the past few weeks or months, makes perfect sense. Quarantining pilots and flight attendants makes perfect sense. I think you could make a good case for quarantining, or at least doing a mass testing of, people who work for Chinese companies in the USA. But just going after people who have a particular type of last name? That is dumb.
 

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It's an opinion piece by Sahsa Abramsky with some reporting from around the world. What did he get wrong?

thank you for admitting this. It's an opinion piece from a liberal rag. I'm sure his sources were unbiased and fair.
 

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“His speech, full of half-truths and falsehoods, talked of a “foreign virus” invading the U.S., and of Europeans, afraid to restrict travel in the early days of the epidemic”

IT IS A FOREIGN VIRUS.

Viruses don't have nationalities! They don't get passports. They don't respect borderes.

If you want to stop viruses coming in, you can't let anybody out either!
 

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Viruses don't have nationalities! They don't get passports. They don't respect borderes.

If you want to stop viruses coming in, you can't let anybody out either!

The virus jumped from bats to humans in China. China is unsafe, and does not practice safe food handling. This is a “ Chinese virus.”
 

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The virus jumped from bats to humans in China. China is unsafe, and does not practice safe food handling. This is a “ Chinese virus.”

Most viruses start in bats. Bats have a particularly down regulated immune system that makes them good training grounds for new viruses.

You realise that of the 130 billion mammals on the planet , about 30 billion are bats!! Bats are found in every country and vastly outnumber humans and other animals, except for rodents.

You say China practices unsafe food handling. Funnily enough, in Europe we look very suspiciously at US food safety standards - especially overuse of antibiotics, growth hormone, unsanitary conditions in factory farms, maximum contamination standards, use of chlorine washes, etc.

Here's a novel idea - go inform yourself first before spouting xenophobic jingoism...

Don’t Blame Bat Soup for the Wuhan Virus
 

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The reality is that all food production has risks; some higher than others.

The fact that the NSC's Head of Global Health and Security resigned in 2018, and the Trump Administration has not replaced them, but rather eliminated the team that was designed to help prepare for pandemics .... it's not going to help the US now
 

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This is on you, progressives.

lol, what?

To get this straight, Donald Trump, who has instituted travel bans against a multitude of countries previously, wanted to institute a travel ban against China as soon as he heard about coronavirus and implement a screening process for Covid-19 which he was deeply concerned about, but was intimidated by the thought of upsetting college students and hippies and decided to take no actions at all and instead downplay the severity of the pandemic while providing false and misleading information to the public, failing to respond to simple questions about who was really in charge of the US response, and citing the private sector as having the situation under control.

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The virus jumped from bats to humans in China. China is unsafe, and does not practice safe food handling. This is a “ Chinese virus.”

Not sure where food comes into this except as a dog whistle about Chinese food handling.

SARS, MERS, and COVID-19 are all Corona Viruses that originated in bats.

SARS and MERs both originated in bats and jumped to humans via cats and camels respectively. You didn't have to eat cats or camels, you just had to be handling an infected one.

Covid-19's intermediary is still being investigated. Might've been pangolins, but might not have. The strain they detected in pangolin was not identical (genetically about as similar as a human is to a chimp)

You're making leaps w/o evidence here.