Why should McCain be president ?

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I'm pretty sure this will be futile, but I'll try anyway.

Obama is under as much scrutiny as an object being viewed through an electron microscope. Yet McCain is free to fuck up as he pleases because Obama is "exotic".

This forum (and the real world) is full of theories as to why Obama should not be president. But there is a dearth of information that supports the notion that McCain should be president.

I'm not looking for intentionally misconstrued copy/pastes that have been taken out of context just to prove a point. I'm looking for rational opinions as to why McCain should be our next president. Everytime I ask this question it gets ignored. Why? And before the phrase "flip flop" becomes more of a platitude than it already is (if that's even possible), remember that McCain has changed almost all of his policies since the 2000 campaign.

Oh, and for the record, McCain has about as much substance as a bottel of water.

So, I ask, why should McCain be president ?
 

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As Sean Hannity said, "Obama flip flops. McCain changes his mind."

That's kinda like saying..." in North Carolina the sun shines on teh surface of teh Earth but in South Carolina the sun emits 400-700 on teh electromagnetic spectrum and it illuminates the ground "...they're both the same thing......

But seriously, can anyone provide a reason that McCain should be president ?
 

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He understands that there is a real threat of the wrong person getting into power in Iraq, there's one reason.
 

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Because he is an idiot . Seems like only an idiot can hold that post , Look at the last 8 years of George Wrong He sold us out in Iraq, Sent people off to die there on a lie. Cheney and all his friends in Hallerburton and Becktell got rich on the war. and John Mcbush is a carbon copy of the same old shit.:joke:
 

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He understands that there is a real threat of the wrong person getting into power in Iraq, there's one reason.

Last time I checked, Iraq is halfway around teh world and they want us out. We can't afford (monetarily and socially) to keep holding their hands. If they don't want to be bullied around, then they should put down their Qu'rans and get some balls.

Irap isn't our rersponsibility. I can't believe I'm about to say this, but ripsrips was right, people today and plain pussies.

It takes more than perpetuating a war (that he doesn't even have coherent knowledge of) to be a successful leader. Did you know that they have a 80 billion dollar surplus while we are going broke by buying their oil and rebuilding their country?

Sorry man, war can't be your only campaign platform.
 

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Because he is an idiot . Seems like only an idiot can hold that post , Look at the last 8 years of George Wrong He sold us out in Iraq, Sent people off to die there on a lie. Cheney and all his friends in Hallerburton and Becktell got rich on the war. and John Mcbush is a carbon copy of the same old shit.:joke:
Kinda sad that you think the last 8 years means more than the last 232...
 

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Ask the opposite question, as well. Why should Obama be president?

I'm not trying to duck the question but they guy has precious little political experience. He speak well, he looks good on camera, he promises "change." But nebulous "change" is not a reason to vote for any candidate. (Not that anyone here said they would.) He's only now clarifying some (& I mean some) of the statements he's made in the last year & . . . most of what he's saying isn't pretty. Want your taxes raised? Vote Obama. Yeah, it's the old conservative cannard against a liberal but O's said he's gonna do it. That's 1 thing from him that I do believe.

McCain isn't much better. The fact that he's a Republican maverick (of sorts) & typically hasn't been a champion of politics as usual in Washington for most of his career (to the point that he pisses off his peers, not to mention his base), is a plus but . . . I'm not so sure about him.

Basically, the bumper sticker we should all be sporting on our cars this year is: We're Screwed '08! Neither candidate is articulating to the voters exactly why he should be elected. Just a few weeks shy of the conventions, that's very frightening!

Oh . . . & Sean Hannity is an inconsistent boob. (And I say that as a conservative.) The guy is a jingoistic maroon. He makes Larry the Cable Guy look like a Rhoades scholar.
 

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His economic knowledge may be limited, but it doesn't seem that he'll actually worsen the current economic crunch, which Obama's plan well may.

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Basically, the bumper sticker we should all be sporting on our cars this year is: We're Screwed '08! Neither candidate is articulating to the voters exactly why he should be elected. Just a few weeks shy of the conventions, that's very frightening!

Oh . . . & Sean Hannity is an inconsistent boob. (And I say that as a conservative.) The guy is a jingoistic maroon. He makes Larry the Cable Guy look like a Rhoades scholar.
QFT!
 
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Last time I checked, Iraq is halfway around teh world and they want us out. We can't afford (monetarily and socially) to keep holding their hands. If they don't want to be bullied around, then they should put down their Qu'rans and get some balls.

That's exactly why the general public has no say in this matter. You people don't seem to understand, this is a new age and type of warfare. Yes, the reason for entering Iraq was bullshit, and it was a mistake. But now that Hussein is gone and we have turned the country into a quagmire, the Iraqi governemnt and military are severely crippled and corrupt. The people that want to kill you, your family, and everyone else you know would and will have the best chance EVER to do so on a massive scale if we pulled out and gave them the go ahead to run an entire country, a country filled with money making oil mind you. The Iraqi army cannot defend against these MILLIONS upon MILLIONS of radical Isalmists. When they gain power a few years after we pull out, guess what, someone's going to have to go in and stop them. It doesn't matter that they are on the other side of the world, last time I checked, missiles can fly...all the way around the world.

Irap isn't our rersponsibility. I can't believe I'm about to say this, but ripsrips was right, people today and plain pussies.

Unfortunately, Iraq IS our moral responsibility. We invaded their country, devastated their entire infrastructure, and started a civil war amongst its (along with Syria's, Pakistan's, and Iran's) people. It sucks, but we have a responsibility to clean up this mess that we caused

It takes more than perpetuating a war (that he doesn't even have coherent knowledge of) to be a successful leader.

Ok, want another reason? He has a plan to solve short term energy problems, a plan that includes nuclear power, solar, wind, coal, and more drilling (all though this one will take awhile to help) whereas Obama is merely looking 20 years down the line, McCain is trying to solve the solution for us now

Did you know that they have a 80 billion dollar surplus while we are going broke by buying their oil and rebuilding their country?

Yes, I do now this, but I also know that $80 billion is not even close to enough money to A)rebuild a country and B)run a country. This is a very good reason as to why we need to stay in Iraq, congrats. Like I said before, when the government that is in place now falls after we pull out, who do you think will be in charge of all that cash? Here's a hint, they fucking HATE westerners

Sorry man, war can't be your only campaign platform.

You're right, it's not, and unlike the liberal media, McCain rarely uses the war card.







btw...im not a Republican
 
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He understands that there is a real threat of the wrong person getting into power in Iraq, there's one reason.

Oh , please...
this is the stupidest thing I have heard yet...

There can not possibly be anyone in power in Iraq who is more wrong than BUSH being in power in Iraq.

Nothing in Obama's stated position suggests that he is not just as concerned with who gets power in Iraq.

But Obama is intelligent enough to recognize that WE certainly haven't picked well.... and that nothing we are currently doing there can possibly have a positive effect.
We have managed to make SADDAM LOOK GOOD....


Here's a clue every republican should have learned by now ( were they capable of learning new things):
you can not make the Arab world like you by KILLING 100,000 innocent Arabs.
Which is MOSTLY what we are doing there.



The people we are fighting there are NOT al queda.... they are the huge percentage of armed men that USED to be in the Iraqi Army... and that Bremer., Rummy and Wolfowitz threw out of work by disbanding the iraqi army, and rendered unemployable thru their de-baathifization edicts.


Let me say that again.... Our president and his "brain trust' put 2 million men permanently out of work in Iraq... against the advice of his own generals and hired consultants.... Men who had GUNS... and knowledge of the vast munitions depots all over Iraq.

THAT is where the insurgency came from, folks. The absolute imbecility of our leadership.


McCain should NOT be president because he has said, over and over, that he wants to prove we can WIN this kind of war ( meaning the same kind of war he fought in vietnam)

That is stupid. We can never be seen as anything but an army of occupation.
The "war" is already over... what we are fighting now is the Iraqi culture... and that is only going to result in them hating us even more.


You can not stupid your way out of a stupid decision.


You have to think your way out of it.


McCain is not thinking about the situation in Iraq. He's thinking about redeeming the war lost 33 years ago.

And being "concerned" who get in power in Iraq does not mean we will be able to control that anymore than we could control who got control of vietnam.


Not to mention that we simply can not afford to be playing worldwide bully anymore.
 

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But Obama is intelligent enough to recognize that WE certainly haven't picked well.... and that nothing we are currently doing there can possibly have a positive effect.
We have managed to make SADDAM LOOK GOOD....

We certainly have done that. But, then, we did pretty much put
Saddam in power to begin with along with other such notables as:
Noriega
Batista
Shah Pahlavi
Marcos

Who have I missed? Is it any wonder most of the free world countries think our policies are not only assinine (that spelling is not a typo), but at times range into lunacy and worse.
 

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Last time I checked, Iraq is halfway around teh world and they want us out. We can't afford (monetarily and socially) to keep holding their hands. If they don't want to be bullied around, then they should put down their Qu'rans and get some balls.

That's exactly why the general public has no say in this matter. You people don't seem to understand, this is a new age and type of warfare. Yes, the reason for entering Iraq was bullshit, and it was a mistake. But now that Hussein is gone and we have turned the country into a quagmire, the Iraqi governemnt and military are severely crippled and corrupt. The people that want to kill you, your family, and everyone else you know would and will have the best chance EVER to do so on a massive scale if we pulled out and gave them the go ahead to run an entire country, a country filled with money making oil mind you. The Iraqi army cannot defend against these MILLIONS upon MILLIONS of radical Isalmists. When they gain power a few years after we pull out, guess what, someone's going to have to go in and stop them. It doesn't matter that they are on the other side of the world, last time I checked, missiles can fly...all the way around the world.

Irap isn't our rersponsibility. I can't believe I'm about to say this, but ripsrips was right, people today and plain pussies.

Unfortunately, Iraq IS our moral responsibility. We invaded their country, devastated their entire infrastructure, and started a civil war amongst its (along with Syria's, Pakistan's, and Iran's) people. It sucks, but we have a responsibility to clean up this mess that we caused

It takes more than perpetuating a war (that he doesn't even have coherent knowledge of) to be a successful leader.

Ok, want another reason? He has a plan to solve short term energy problems, a plan that includes nuclear power, solar, wind, coal, and more drilling (all though this one will take awhile to help) whereas Obama is merely looking 20 years down the line, McCain is trying to solve the solution for us now

Did you know that they have a 80 billion dollar surplus while we are going broke by buying their oil and rebuilding their country?

Yes, I do now this, but I also know that $80 billion is not even close to enough money to A)rebuild a country and B)run a country. This is a very good reason as to why we need to stay in Iraq, congrats. Like I said before, when the government that is in place now falls after we pull out, who do you think will be in charge of all that cash? Here's a hint, they fucking HATE westerners

Sorry man, war can't be your only campaign platform.

You're right, it's not, and unlike the liberal media, McCain rarely uses the war card.







btw...im not a Republican

They (radicals) will still hate us if we leave today or 20 years from now.

McCain only started talking about those other forms of alternative energy after Obama mentioned them.

Iraq is not our responsibility. Osama was somehow morphed into Saddam so we went and got his ass hung. Game over. We can't afford (finacially) to lower taxes, give a gas tax holiday, and perpetuate the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. It's a recipe for disaster.

You said it yourself, they hate westerners. So no matter how much of a "moral" responsibility we think we have, they (the decent folks and radicals) want us gone. We're not the fucking world police.

Maybe you haven't noticed, but people's wallets are hurting over here. Education, healthcare, all that good shit is going through the roof. I've pretty much kissed my college dreams goodbye. We're going broke while we try to play hero. That is exactly why we DON'T need to stay in Iraq.

Keep in mind, I'm not a dem., rep., lib., or con. I'm not into signing blank checks. Which is what you do when you align yourself with a social party.

I'm not saying that 80 billion is enough to rebuild a country. But they definately ain't broke and have truckloads of cash flowing in daily from the oil they export. It's up to them to take control, not us.

We need to get out kitchen in order before we try to clean somebody elses.
 

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Okay, so far we have:

Because he's an idiot and only idiots can be president. (Likely the thinking of someone no older than 22.)
and
Why should Obama be President?

The latter is pretty much just an echo of his campaign. "Well Obama sucks because he sort-of-kind-of said this if you take it out of context. I'm the only other real option, so vote for me. NYAAHHHHHH!"
 

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And after six years, they have failed at that.

Look... Drilling in ANWR or offshore is a pipe dream, ( pipeline dream?)


Any candidate who is suggesting anything other than a national long term infrastructure investment in eliminating oil as our energy source is an imbecile unworthy of the job.


Short term solution to high oil prices? SUCK IT UP. And REGUALTE oil companies.

Mid-term solution? Build nuclear power plants to replace oil fired plants, and offer huge incentives to install wind and solar and geothermal generation capacity.

Long range solution? Concentration of generation at non-polluting sources ( nuke, thermal,tidal, solar,wind, hydro ) running at full capacity- excess power used to crack hydrogen out of water... Liquid hydrogen pipeline system to distribute that hydrogen to power generation plants inland or far from non-polluting power sources...

Liquid hydrogen pipeline network forms backbone of superconducting power distribution grid... saving 30% of electricity lost to resistance in transmission.

( with additional funding going toward fusion research )


This is the ONLY long term solution that is truly non polluting....the only one that is expandable to meet future growth needs...


Why are we dicking around with looking harder for more expensive oil we shouldn't be burning in the first place?

We need to start work... not on some stopgap... but on the real lasting solution.