Why The President Is So Calm

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  1. b.c.

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    This analysis by Jonathan Cohn (The New Republic) raises some interesting theories and possible scenarios regarding Obama's reaction to Tuesday's outcome. The article can be found here:

    woub: : The New Republic: Why The President Is So Calm (2010-11-02)

    Among the more enlightening observations made:

    "Obama and his allies have accomplished an entire term's worth of legislation in just two years. Financial regulation, direct student lending, the Recovery Act, and health care reform -- that's a record of accomplishment unmatched in recent history. Losses were inevitable at the midterms. Why get worked up?"

    "...with a Republican Congress blocking new economic initiatives, Obama won't have much ability to create jobs -- or even help those who can't find any. If the economy continues to recover this slowly, the Republicans won't merely solidify their hold on Congress in two years. They'll also be in a position to win the White House."

    "...it's possible the Republicans will overreach, particularly if their gains on Tuesday are of historic proportions. In fact, Obama may be counting upon the GOP leadership to go too far -- to assume a mandate for conservative governing that doesn't exist."

    "One constant in Obama's record is his assumption that American people will act like political grown-ups-- that, when presented with a choice between a party that takes governing seriously and one that does not, they will choose the former."

    (He gives them too much credit, imo)

    "But will the American people react that way?... Just look at the polls right now. Americans say they trust Obama and the Democrats more than the Republicans, but that they are more likely to vote for the Republicans anyway. Who's to say they wouldn't vote the exact same way in 2012?"

    ???
     
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    im afraid repuppetcans will vote for the corporate whores no matter what happens
     
  3. houtx48

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    it happens to most presidents and all is not lost demos still control senate and the Teabaggers might make complete ass of themselves or sellout to the first lobbyist that comes by their office.
     
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    ^ Well in today's news there were already stories as to who pretty much bankrolled their campaigns, so regarding "sellout" that's already a done deal.

    One thing to remember is that only 1/3 of those who were "Teabag" candidates won, and not only do the demos still control the senate, but the President still controls the veto pen.

    Furthermore, the taking of the House by Republicans won't suddenly bring an end to the recession, or spontaneously result in jobs for the thousands of still unemployed workers (those same unemployed workers who Republicans tried to block extended benefits for).

    Nor will their election magically make all the empty (and yet to be foreclosed) homes suddenly vanish, or be filled again with homeowners. REPUBLICANS were against assistance for them as well.

    Remember too, that some of the provisions of that healthcare package they're in a hurry to dismantle are already in place, and are well received by the populace (provisions, for example for healthcare coverage for children, especially those with preexisting conditions).

    All of which means it THEIR time to put up or shut up, though neither is likely.

    PREDICTION: More obfuscation, divisiveness, and typical Republican style smoke-n- mirrors, all designed to divert OUR attention from their usual inability to address issues of any real importance.
     
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    from all the gum flapping the repbs were doing yesterday sound like same old shit different day from them.
     
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    The Election was not about how good the Rebublicans are doing- the election was about how bad the Democrates are doing. Just like 2 years ago it was not about how good the (D)were doing, it was about how bad the (R) were doing with Bush. Or the two years before that. Clinton left GB (r) in great shape compared to where GB (jr) left Obama holding the bag. Jesus Christ could be president now and as a president he would suck because the cupboard is bare thanks to GB(jr).So when Paul Ryan tells you they have to raise the Social Security age because they have to are you going to return him into office ?
     
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    Because he already got his agenda on the books, and the Republicans have no hope of actually undoing it... Thank God.
     
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    Because there is a Spock-like cerebral quality to him and he doesn't connect viscerally with very much ... a quality that is going to do him no good, much though one might agree with his aims and applaud his sincerity.
    At the end of the day, while he has many gifts, he's not particularly gifted as a politician ... which ain't so good when you're POTUS.
     
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    Oh, you're kidding. REALLY?

     
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    Have you forgotten? No Drama Obama
     
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    the tea baggers and the other repubs will be up to old tricks in no time, I can hardly waite for my new tea bag house representive to start selling out..my prediction for for 2012 it will be a obama/clinton ticket..Biden will step down for good of the party. who will the repubs run Palin and another Bush brother?
     
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    Obama is calm because he's known for at least five years that Mitch McConnell and Borin' Orrin Hatch are both aliens from other planets. Mitch comes from a planet of insectoids and Orrin has reptilian origins. But why be so calm about this? Because Obama also knows where the On and Off switch is that controls Orrin and Mitch's human appearance.
     
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    over here it is said americans always vote to create a government divided against itself, as was the intention of those who created the constitution. This being the best defence against tyrany.

    In the Uk we take the opposite view, winner has absolute power. Tell me which is best?
     
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    "Anyone who has a continuous smile on his face conceals a toughness that is almost frightening." - Greta Garbo

    Perhaps this quote could be some assistance as to what's to come?
     
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    This is true. Some Americans couch this in terms of "less government". It amounts to the same inasmuch as a "do nothing" government is "less government".

    The tricky part is that a large number of Americans (many of whom claim to want less government) are directly benefited by government.

    When Social Security changes, gas prices increase, interest rates jump, the cost of health premiums skyrocket, unemployment assistance stops, hospitals, schools, and local government services close up; when state budgets get slim, and those nifty little programs everyone wants get dropped, and foreclosures increase, and people have less cash to spend, and business slows, and the stock market drops, and more people are out of work, while the ones who are working are doing so at a shitty minimum wage and haven't seen a cost of living increase in years; and when banks get in trouble again because people default on loans and other debts just to put food on the table; when more pollutants clog the water supply, the air, and get into our food supply, and bridges and roads start collapsing for decay, and the cost of flying gets even more ridiculous but you'd just as soon fly because suddenly no one is regulating the quality of the vehicles anymore; and.... etc.

    ...then people may begin to realize what "government" does for them.
     
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    I agree. Small government is not an option in a modern society. Perhaps the advantage of the winner takes all system is that a new government is at least able to do something bold if it dares, and then the public decide. But I sense the US government is not so different to the Uk one in that there is braod concensus on both sides about the sort of things which can be done, and in the US this is much more right wing than in the UK. There is just a hint inthe Uk in the conservative party of a noblesse oblige attitude, that those whose natural right it is to rule have a natural duty to help the poor. The conservative party has its roots in the traditional aristocracy. The liberals were the natural party of business, before they lost their place as the main opposition to labour, which was the party of organised workers. This is history, but it still influences what they do.
     
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    The Founding Fathers intended a limited government. They could not foresee the need for a more active government, or even the origination of the party system for that matter, or they might have given us a ministerial system in which the government, after the party system had begun, could not be divided politically, as it will be again in the 112th Congress. Originally, the president and vice-president were elected separately as well, and after the party system had begun, could therefore be from different political parties.


    It depends on what you see "broad" to encompass, but as a U.S. citizen, I do not believe this to be the case. The U.S. is currently very divided and polarized politically.
     
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    which perhaps obliges the two parties to fall over themselves trying to attract both extremes and ending up both in the middle? The democrats just had a working majority yet passed a health bill which seems nuts to me? The reps go on about small government and cuts, but they failed dismally to cut spending. Cutting taxes is the easy bit.
     
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    Much as I agree with your assessment (and I do), there's a huge part of this puzzle that's been left unstated. One of the worst, most corrosive clichés around is that of the "angry black man". He has spent his life developing a moderating, thoughtful, calming persona and it's been his public face for years in an effort to not appear like the cliché.

    Personally, I find it reassuring; he seems like the only adult in the room wherever he goes. But many, including columnist Maureen Dowd, have written at length about his frosty, Spock-like demeanor. It's really two interpretations of the same image. Biden was supposed to "folksy" things up, and to the extent that he's anything other than a punchline, he at least does that well.

    I'm still a fan of Obama, but there is a maddeningly constant disconnect between the man and his emotions: it's like expecting JFK and ending up with Calvin Coolidge :rolleyes:

    If the economy comes back enough by 2012, his cool will seem reasonable and presidential; if it tanks further or we're still floundering, there's a real risk of some hyper-emotional Populist making him look unconcerned, isolated, aloof and disconnected.

    He is, by far, the most opaque politician I've ever experienced.
     
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    1. he is a politician (therfore a con artist)
    2. fear (for his job/career)

    :)
     
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