Why the republican party doesnt appeal to people...

[Tight_N_Juicy]

Trump however is to be given the benefit of the doubt.

Even after he said himself that he doesn't even wait...

 

[Industrialsize]

If you want to talk racism lets talk about it. I for one would like to know why the black population is so aligned to the DNC when not that long ago Democrats voted against Civil Rights, not once but twice. Robert Byrd was a grand wizard in the KKK and somehow this is just looked over. I find the double standard fascinating

Times change. Parties change. Please see The Southern Strategy.
Southern strategy - Wikipedia

 

[StormfrontFL]

well, that’s not a stereotypical response from the left at all now, is it? Agree with me or you must be a white supremacist/racist/sexist/homophobe/nazi/fascist? That tactic is becoming so overplayed, it’s almost cliche these days...

It's not "agree with me". It's attempting to excuse racists.

A person says David Duke is a Klansman and despises blacks. Another person then says well Duke gives to charity and goes to church every Sunday. One is acknowledging his racism and the other is attempting to downplay it and excuse it.

 

[StormfrontFL]

You understand statistics, right? Do some research.

That many accusers, it's basically not possible they're all making it up.

Like I said... It wasn't just racists this president has emboldened. Smh

It's like with Cosby. When one person came forward people said it probably isn't true. Two cam forward it was a bit more likely.When 10 came forward it was it probably is true and this needs to be looked into.

 

[deleted464787]

I don't bother reporting sexual assault after the time it happened to me at work. Because I had no evidence, no physical proof, I was assumed to be lying.

I have a very different point of view about this. I have too much experience with it personally. I don't assume every person who comes forward is being truthful, but based on stats and my personal experiences I believe MOST people with the courage to come forward knowing that it will literally ruin their lives.

Call me biased, I don't care. Sex offenders get away with it way too often because people like you want video evidence of every incident.

I never said anything about video evidence. So let’s not straw man that please.

And to address your next post, I’m not about comparing numbers of men vs comparing numbers of women. I’m only about seeking the truth.

to quote Matt dillahunty: “I want to believe as many true things and as few false things as possible.”

that’s it. Of course there are accusations that are true, and of course there will be a minority of accusations that are falsely. I promise, you’re preaching to the choir on this topic, and I have such an immense amount of sympathy for women that have fallen victims to that system.

yes, it’s a flawed system. I can hardly imagine A perfect system. If I could, I’d be in law right now, making a huge impact for women who have had this happen to them. But flawed as the system is, I can’t suspend all my logic and say “in this case, everyone is guilty until proven innocent when they are accused.” As that is also a flawed system.

 

[StormfrontFL]

oh, ok. “Argument ad populum.” A lot of people say it, so it must be true.

thank god that’s not the criteria we go by in the judicial system.

it’s actually scary that you’d publicly come out and say “with that many accusers, it’s basically not possible they’re making it all up.” Really scary. In the scientific community, you’d be shunned and ridiculed for saying something that ignorant.

The thing is Trump never had the stones to face his accusers in court. If they are all "making stuff up" then go to court and prove it.

 

[Tight_N_Juicy]

I never said anything about video evidence. So let’s not straw man that please.

And to address your next post, I’m not about comparing numbers of men vs comparing numbers of women. I’m only about seeking the truth.

to quote Matt dillahunty: “I want to believe as many true things and as few false things as possible.”

that’s it. Of course there are accusations that are true, and of course there will be a minority of accusations that are falsely. I promise, you’re preaching to the choir on this topic, and I have such an immense amount of sympathy for women that have fallen victims to that system.

yes, it’s a flawed system. I can hardly imagine A perfect system. If I could, I’d be in law right now, making a huge impact for women who have had this happen to them. But flawed as the system is, I can’t suspend all my logic and say “in this case, everyone is guilty until proven innocent when they are accused.” As that is also a flawed system.

It's a biased system, not just flawed.

Victims of sex crimes are far more likely to be accused of lying than victims of other types of crimes.

I apologize for putting words in your mouth.

 

[deleted464787]

It's not "agree with me". It's attempting to excuse racists.

A person says David Duke is a Klansman and despises blacks. Another person then says well Duke gives to charity and goes to church every Sunday. One is acknowledging his racism and the other is attempting to downplay it and excuse it.

I’m not downplaying anything. A person in the KKK is a racist, as that is a concrete example. That person would still be a racist despite being charitable.

it just irks me when people throw out the accusation of being racist, and then throw out a false narrative of what makes them racist.

trump doesn’t hate Hispanics. He just doesn’t want people coming into the country through illegal means. The wall would just be a first step to combat that.

trump doesn’t hate Muslims, he just acknowledges that at this point in time, there are indeed radicals from that area of the world who are willing to do whatever it takes to kill as many Americans as possible. The travel ban would be the first step to contain that problem.

it’s ok if you don’t agree with his methodology. But that doesn’t make it racist in intent.

 

[Tight_N_Juicy]

I’m not downplaying anything. A person in the KKK is a racist, as that is a concrete example. That person would still be a racist despite being charitable.

it just irks me when people throw out the accusation of being racist, and then throw out a false narrative of what makes them racist.

trump doesn’t hate Hispanics. He just doesn’t want people coming into the country through illegal means. The wall would just be a first step to combat that.

trump doesn’t hate Muslims, he just acknowledges that at this point in time, there are indeed radicals from that area of the world who are willing to do whatever it takes to kill as many Americans as possible. The travel ban would be the first step to contain that problem.

it’s ok if you don’t agree with his methodology. But that doesn’t make it racist in intent.

Most racists don't claim to be racist, and some don't even realize that they are.

When someone tries to inform them that their views are harmful to society as a whole or offensive to an individual they get defensive and nothing gets anywhere.

If these people aren't willing to admit when they're wrong there's no hope for showing them that bigots of any kind don't have to be conscious of the fact that they indeed are.

Edit: that's another huge problem with Trump, he will NEVER admit when he's wrong. Ever. Period. He has no humility, no shame, no dignity.

 

[StormfrontFL]

They do get ostracized. The news covers it, and we’re all condemning it here and now.

you do realize that 100 years ago, this sort of thing would have been sanctioned by the government, and a part of every day life? To the point that half of the country didn’t even think to question it?

So unless the government is behind it it's not happening?

The government isn't doing a damn thing to oppose it. We even have a President and administration who says to basically look the other way because it's not happening.

As for the news...

It gets condemned but many of those individuals face no consequences. They aren't fined. They face no jail time. No penalty at all for being as base as possible. One or two individuals facing a bit of condemnation is not the same as a whole movement being condemned. All it takes is Trump going on TV and saying, without waffling, that white supremacy is evil and is not the philosophy true Americans should embrace. Instead we have "very fine people", African shitholes, and insults hurled at the intellect of black women.

 

[deleted464787]

It's a biased system, not just flawed.

Victims of sex crimes are far more likely to be accused of lying than victims of other types of crimes.

I apologize for putting words in your mouth.

I understand. And that is an incredibly unfortunate circumstance we find ourselves in. I wish I had all the answers and solutions but I don’t. No one does at this point in time. Hopefully that will eventually change.

And apology accepted. I can only imagine how frustrating it can be to be a victim of sexual assault, and I totally understand why you’re passionate about it. and I would really hope you can get justice for it someday, Unlikely as that is ... Fingers crossed.

 

[StormfrontFL]

accused doesn’t mean he did it. You and I both know that. Same goes with Bill Clinton. And I openly condemn trying to stick him with that label without proper evidence.

Oooh one person feels that falsely sticking him with that label is wrong.

The problem is that those who seek to excuse Trump from his allegations are the same ones who use allegations against Clinton as proof.

It even applies to Hillary. She was alleged to have done wrong with Benghazi and her emails. She went through years of hearings and was cleared however that hasn't stopped the GOP from continuing to spread the lies about her "guilt"

 

[StormfrontFL]

and when a viral video comes out showing a person causing a scene over someone speaking Spanish, or a black kid selling what is the overwhelming response? Barbecue Becky was a classic idiot, and deserved to get ostracized the way she did. All the more proof that America is sticking up for people when racist incidents like this arise.

Not everyone approves of racist behavior. Why do you insist on either/or?

The issue is that those who exhibit that behavior feel free to do so.

 

[Tight_N_Juicy]

@ArkNebradia I have a couple of questions for you.

If Norway was the country South of our border do you think Trump would be considering the wall? Why no wall on the northern border? Drugs and criminals enter there too.. (although most of the illegal drugs coming into the country come in on shipping containers, NOT in border crossings)

 

[cycleguy]

All of this has been addressed repeatedly in this subforum.

I suggest some digging. There's lots to read.

yeah right Ive read all that and shared my view-

 

[deleted15807]

Oooh one person feels that falsely sticking him with that label is wrong.

The problem is that those who seek to excuse Trump from his allegations are the same ones who use allegations against Clinton as proof.

It even applies to Hillary. She was alleged to have done wrong with Benghazi and her emails. She went through years of hearings and was cleared however that hasn't stopped the GOP from continuing to spread the lies about her "guilt"

And when there is no proof why not just make it up. Hello Pizzagate.

 

[Tight_N_Juicy]

And when there is no proof why not just make it up. Hello Pizzagate.

Then accuse the media of "fake news"!! Smfh

 

[Tight_N_Juicy]

yeah right Ive read all that and shared my view-

Then why did you bring it up?

 

[StormfrontFL]

If you want to talk racism lets talk about it. I for one would like to know why the black population is so aligned to the DNC when not that long ago Democrats voted against Civil Rights, not once but twice. Robert Byrd was a grand wizard in the KKK and somehow this is just looked over. I find the double standard fascinating

Those who do not know their history.

Learn about how the Party's changed.

Why do you people still think going back to the 1800s matters?

What Party NOW tried to portray black women as "welfare queens" collecting checks and food stamps while driving a Cadillac?
What Party NOW seeks to disenfranchise black voters and closes polls in heavily black areas?

Why Republicans Are Suppressing Black Votes
North Carolina's Deliberate Discrimination Against Black Voters
GOP gerrymander guru worked for years to suppress votes

Did you notice that none of the articles was from the 1800s?

Read...
Let’s debunk GOP myth of why blacks vote Democratic

Let's make things easier for you...
How Democrats and Republicans switched beliefs [Opinion]

 

[deleted464787]

@ArkNebradia I have a couple of questions for you.

If Norway was the country South of our border do you think Trump would be considering the wall? Why no wall on the northern border? Drugs and criminals enter there too.. (although most of the illegal drugs coming into the country come in on shipping containers, NOT in border crossings)

I can’t answer on behalf of trump. But I can say this: if the people coming across the border from Mexico were white, instead of Hispanic, and nothing else has changed (drugs wise, and people dying while crossing, etc) then I personally would still want the wall. And I would hope that trump would too. Because I want legal immigrants, regardless of their skin color.

now if trump DIDNT want the wall In Such a case, I would say you have a much stronger argument for him being racist there. Unfortunately, we’ll never know because we don’t have a country of predominantly white people to the south of us with a border crossing problem like that.

as for the northern border... I want legal immigrants from there as well. Hands down. But I’m sure you and I would both agree there is a much larger problem with illegal immigration coming from the south than from the north, no? You don’t hear much about Canadians crossing over illegally to find a better life in America, since the quality of life in Canada is comparable.

actually, it’s established that most illegals here probably come in on planes and overstay their visas, or at least stay longer than legally allowed. That would be much tougher to prevent, but I would actually like to see them crack down on that too if they can find a way, regardless of the persons race.