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Oooh one person feels that falsely sticking him with that label is wrong.

The problem is that those who seek to excuse Trump from his allegations are the same ones who use allegations against Clinton as proof.

It even applies to Hillary. She was alleged to have done wrong with Benghazi and her emails. She went through years of hearings and was cleared however that hasn't stopped the GOP from continuing to spread the lies about her "guilt"

sticking anyone with any label is wrong, without the proper evidence to do so.

Also, Hillary admitted in the debates that she made a mistake by using a personal email server. What are you trying to argue here?

Or is your beef with whatever the contents of the emails was?
 

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I can’t answer on behalf of trump. But I can say this: if the people coming across the border from Mexico were white, instead of Hispanic, and nothing else has changed (drugs wise, and people dying while crossing, etc) then I personally would still want the wall. And I would hope that trump would too. Because I want legal immigrants, regardless of their skin color.

now if trump DIDNT want the wall In Such a case, I would say you have a much stronger argument for him being racist there. Unfortunately, we’ll never know because we don’t have a country of predominantly white people to the south of us with a border crossing problem like that.

as for the northern border... I want legal immigrants from there as well. Hands down. But I’m sure you and I would both agree there is a much larger problem with illegal immigration coming from the south than from the north, no?

actually, it’s established that most illegals here probably come in on planes and overstay their visas, or at least stay longer than legally allowed. That would be much tougher to prevent, but I would actually like to see them crack down on that too if they can find a way, regardless of the persons race.

I don't agree, but appreciate your answer.
 

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I’m not downplaying anything. A person in the KKK is a racist, as that is a concrete example. That person would still be a racist despite being charitable.

it just irks me when people throw out the accusation of being racist, and then throw out a false narrative of what makes them racist.

trump doesn’t hate Hispanics. He just doesn’t want people coming into the country through illegal means. The wall would just be a first step to combat that.

trump doesn’t hate Muslims, he just acknowledges that at this point in time, there are indeed radicals from that area of the world who are willing to do whatever it takes to kill as many Americans as possible. The travel ban would be the first step to contain that problem.

it’s ok if you don’t agree with his methodology. But that doesn’t make it racist in intent.
Once again your claim doesn't negate the claim made that anytime a black person disagrees it must be because they hate whites.

Oh and did you know there are white Muslims? Did you know that some members of ISIS are blonde, blue eyed, and come from Canada? I don't, however, recall hearing that Trump wants to ban all people no matter the color from any nation from coming here. It's funny how it's only the primarily black countries.
Canadians join ISIS to fight in Syria - CNN
 

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Then why did you bring it up? :neutral:

I bought it up to make a point which is Liberals are totally comfortable pointing to sins of the past. However when their sins are mentioned its longwinded "parties change, people change blah blah, you dont your history etc etc".

I intentionally mentioned Robert Byrd because David Duke's name surfaced this morning- fact is David Duke has been out of the picture since the 1980's went to jail and really hasn't surfaced since. Both were racist KKK grand wizards however it would appear that Byrd gets a hall pass while Duke is a go to in debate on this subject all the time.
America elected a black president not once but twice. I think thats a testament to how far we have come race wise.
 

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I can’t answer on behalf of trump. But I can say this: if the people coming across the border from Mexico were white, instead of Hispanic, and nothing else has changed (drugs wise, and people dying while crossing, etc) then I personally would still want the wall. And I would hope that trump would too. Because I want legal immigrants, regardless of their skin color.

now if trump DIDNT want the wall In Such a case, I would say you have a much stronger argument for him being racist there. Unfortunately, we’ll never know because we don’t have a country of predominantly white people to the south of us with a border crossing problem like that.

as for the northern border... I want legal immigrants from there as well. Hands down. But I’m sure you and I would both agree there is a much larger problem with illegal immigration coming from the south than from the north, no? You don’t hear much about Canadians crossing over illegally to find a better life in America, since the quality of life in Canada is comparable.

actually, it’s established that most illegals here probably come in on planes and overstay their visas, or at least stay longer than legally allowed. That would be much tougher to prevent, but I would actually like to see them crack down on that too if they can find a way, regardless of the persons race.
From all appearance Trump wouldn't consider the wall an issue if the immigrants were white and spoke perfect English.

Recall how he was against chain migration but he was perfectly okay with Melania using it to get her parents here and to make them citizens.
He has also said he wants more immigrants from countries like Norway not "shithole countries like Haiti and places in Africa". Notice he didn't differentiate between how they immigrated. It could be legal he just doesn't want them.

Most illegal immigration doesn't come through the Mexican border where Trump wants to build his wall
https://psmag.com/news/most-undocumented-immigrants-are-not-mexican
 

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I bought it up to make a point which is Liberals are totally comfortable pointing to sins of the past. However when their sins are mentioned its longwinded "parties change, people change blah blah, you dont your history etc etc".

I intentionally mentioned Robert Byrd because David Duke's name surfaced this morning- fact is David Duke has been out of the picture since the 1980's went to jail and really hasn't surfaced since. Both were racist KKK grand wizards however it would appear that Byrd gets a hall pass while Duke is a go to in debate on this subject all the time.
America elected a black president not once but twice. I think thats a testament to how far we have come race wise.

Facts matter. History matters. Dismissing it because you don't want to face reality is embracing ignorance
 

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sticking anyone with any label is wrong, without the proper evidence to do so.

Also, Hillary admitted in the debates that she made a mistake by using a personal email server. What are you trying to argue here?

Or is your beef with whatever the contents of the emails was?
A mistake doesn't equal guilty. She made an error in judgement. That's not the same as a deliberate dereliction of duty which is what the GOP claimed.

The big picture here is that our government is now under the control of those who operate under two sets of standards and too many of their supporters are okay with it. It's one thing for a person here or there to say they oppose that kind of thing but it's another to vote to see it continue.

Be honest with yourself. If Obama had done what Trump was accused of the Republican controlled Senate would have voted to have him removed. I'm not sure if it was you or someone else who posted that more than one Democrat voted for removal against Clinton but doesn't that show you something? More people then put the Constitution and the law above Party loyalty. I'd be more concerned that that is no longer the case.
 

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I bought it up to make a point which is Liberals are totally comfortable pointing to sins of the past. However when their sins are mentioned its longwinded "parties change, people change blah blah, you dont your history etc etc".

I intentionally mentioned Robert Byrd because David Duke's name surfaced this morning- fact is David Duke has been out of the picture since the 1980's went to jail and really hasn't surfaced since. Both were racist KKK grand wizards however it would appear that Byrd gets a hall pass while Duke is a go to in debate on this subject all the time.
America elected a black president not once but twice. I think thats a testament to how far we have come race wise.
You must have been asleep when Byrd endorsed Trump in the last election.
"Why we voted for Donald Trump": David Duke explains the white supremacist Charlottesville protests
Rep. Tulsi Gabbard gets 2020 endorsement from David Duke
Former KKK Leader David Duke Announces Senate Run
 

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I bought it up to make a point which is Liberals are totally comfortable pointing to sins of the past. However when their sins are mentioned its longwinded "parties change, people change blah blah, you dont your history etc etc".

I intentionally mentioned Robert Byrd because David Duke's name surfaced this morning- fact is David Duke has been out of the picture since the 1980's went to jail and really hasn't surfaced since. Both were racist KKK grand wizards however it would appear that Byrd gets a hall pass while Duke is a go to in debate on this subject all the time.
America elected a black president not once but twice. I think thats a testament to how far we have come race wise.
Robert Byrd is dead. David Duke is alive and an active supporter of President Trump:
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I agree with you 1000%. Both parties are not perfect because in closing people are not perfect.

I've criticized the Democratic party here more than enough to prove that I'm not partisan in my opinions.

After seeing the Republicans rally behind Trump after EVERYTHING that's happened during his campaign and presidency I will never vote for a Republican. Before Trump? It was possible. Not anymore.

That doesn't mean I won't criticize Democrats when they fuck up or do corrupt shit. They are not the racist party anymore. That's just a fact.

I like Bernie because of his consistency, and I agree with most of his policies. It has basically nothing to do with the fact that he's running as a Democrat.
 

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well, that’s not a stereotypical response from the left at all now, is it? Agree with me or you must be a white supremacist/racist/sexist/homophobe/nazi/fascist? That tactic is becoming so overplayed, it’s almost cliche these days...

Actually the response is correct - you're deflecting and denying. You seem determined to provoke a response by refusing to seriously examine legit answers that have been provided. I could write a 10 page paper with footnotes and video links and all you would do is dismiss it. You're not serious, you are just being a passive/aggressive disruption. Next!
 

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