Why was Mlle Rouge banned?

[D_Tim McGnaw]

The thread was only offensive to Obama supporters. Morally reprehensible - come on - he's a politician.

Everyone on here posts something that is offensive to someone. Neither your, nor mine, nor anyone's views hold consensus, & Faceking had an absolute right to underline the difference between aspirations & practicality, & words & actions, just like everyone else has, especially on the politics forum!:smile:

It's a forum, there will be polar opposite opinions.

I've noticed too that Red was noticeably more tetchy than when I joined, her comments on the thread dealing with the SS Marmarus(?) Palestinian aid ship would bear that out.

Compared to what I remember of the spat with Luka, the Luka thing was pretty tame! I've found Luka's posts to often be non sequiturs.

She clearly has bundles of good points, & is a massive contributor, but oh that temper, stand back when lit!

I wouldn't have banned her, but she sometimes undoubtably can personalize an arguement, but ad hominem attacks seem par for the course on some forums here.

Excuse me? I'm not an Obama supporter thanks. I was disgusted by that OP because who the fuck gave Faceking the right to appropriate the sickening death of some woman in Iran to make points about US politics when her death is a tragedy which has nothing to do with US politics?

If you're saying that every appalling tragedy that happens anywhere in the world is gris to the mill for frankly moronic commentary on any US political figure you care to mention then I have no problem in saying you are wrong.

 

[D_Tim McGnaw]

If I linked to footage of people jumping from the twin towers and made some facile remark blaming some american political figure for these deaths or otherwise making them seem complicit in them there would justifiable outrage from large numbers of posters. I would rightly be called a troll and be accused of flaiming, if I had a history of that kind of thread starting I should IMHO be banned for trolling.

 

[SilverTrain]

I'm breaking my policy of not commenting in "banning" threads.

I'm not privy to the "inner workings" here, or the specifics of this particular ban. From the information publicly available, a permanent ban seems quite excessive. But, again, I am not "inner looped", so there could be all sorts of devastatingly juicy information about gross deviations from acceptable behavior involved here. I tend to doubt that. And even if that were the case, would it really be distinct from so many other instances of outrageous behavior on this site--behavior that goes unaddressed and/or unpunished? Again, I would be inclined to think not.

I was quite fond of the Red Lady. She was not hesitant about speaking her mind. But she's a good egg. And, as noted herein by many others, her contributions to this site were extensive and substantial.

I hope to see her back some day.

 

[D_Crystallized Ginger]

In every site but this (and other sex sites) people is banned for explicit sexual contents of their posts, sharing hard pics ,etc.. In LPSG I think to understand the main reason for banning someone is offending someone's intelligence,culture,race,etc... Excessive judgements on users thaughts and posts are right reasons to ban someone IMO because we should be free to express our opinion freely AT LEAST on a free site like LPSG... Mlle Rouge is a nice ,fascinating girl but most of time (it happened to me) she tends to judge people upon some scant infos she has... For example she accused me to be a bit small minded because I created and invited women with a pear shaped body in a group I made here...without considering that everyone is free to join or not and I didn't mean to be "racist" against non-pear shaped body...

P.S. I hope the admin doesn't ban me for this...

 

[TomCat84]

Actually looking at the thread people seem to be saying MR was banned for getting in to some sniping with Luka in I'm actually completely mystified.


Faceking's thread is so unbelievably offensive, for so many many reasons, that I can't understand why he wasn't banned for posting it. Making cheap and morally reprehensible political points about Obama out of the hideous, painful and appalling death by stoning of a woman in Iran is sick beyond belief and could not fail to have outraged anyone with any sense of decency who read it. If that thread wasn't intended to violate the ToS I can't possibly understand what is.

I know MR has form with Luka, but Faceking has form with these kinds of threads. If MR goes then so should Faceking FFS.

And it's funny- a mod came in later on in the thread and "threatened" to close the thread. Meanwhile, nothing has happened to "North End", who made some pretty racist remarks in the "White Privilege" thread.....

 

[D_Crystallized Ginger]

Btw I have to add that there's a pretty silence in my subscribed threads since Mademoiselle was banned... it was nice to read her posts... I hope she will come back here See you soon Mademoiselle Rouge!

 

[Northland]

Well, darn!

One day, I'm having pleasant dialogue with someone on serial killers (http://www.lpsg.org/2845571-post106.html ) and the next thing I see, they've been banned.:frown1:

I hope one day she may return. An informed poster, even when I disagreed with her, I could gain something from her posts.

 

[SpoiledPrincess]

MR didn't just use the forums on this site, she was also a user of the chat room, and in there she could be extremely unpleasant to anyone who she felt in a position where she was able to be, and to anyone she felt was getting any of the attention she seemed to think should be centred only on her.
She had her warning, it would be unfair if it was rescinded.

 

[alwaysguessing]

MR didn't just use the forums on this site, she was also a user of the chat room, and in there she could be extremely unpleasant to anyone who she felt in a position where she was able to be, and to anyone she felt was getting any of the attention she seemed to think should be centred only on her.
She had her warning, it would be unfair if it was rescinded.

I don't know anything of that. But if she really was that bad, why not just ban her from chat? Problem solved, without creating another one like we have now.

 

[D_Crystallized Ginger]

I believe that mlle rouge is a bit harsh towards people sometimes (like she did with me...) but there is a lot of guys and girls here that love her way of being and we miss her so much... Please rehab Mademoiselle Rouge!

 

[ManlyBanisters]

MR didn't just use the forums on this site, she was also a user of the chat room, and in there she could be extremely unpleasant to anyone who she felt in a position where she was able to be, and to anyone she felt was getting any of the attention she seemed to think should be centred only on her.
She had her warning, it would be unfair if it was rescinded.

Sorry SP, that bolded bit didn't make sense.

I know you were part of the group that didn't get along with Red in chat - don't you think that you might be a weeny bit prejudiced?

 

[alwaysguessing]

Being seen as harsh or unpleasant by some is no reason at all to be banned.

 

[SpoiledPrincess]

I meant anyone who she felt was in a position were they weren't able to give back as good as they got - newbies for instance. And no I don't feel I'm prejudiced or biased, MR and I actually had some good chats, but we also came to blows a few times, I try more than anything to be fair and I will support people I personally dislike if I feel they've been wronged, and if people I like get banned if I feel the ban is fair I'd never utter a word against it. I'm not part of any 'group' in chat unless it's the group that doesn't feel it's fair for newbies to be attacked simply because they're newbies.

There were some people who would simply keep quiet while she was in there Manly in case they got the sharp edge of her tongue, and that isn't fair by any means.

 

[hud01]

When a member has been given a heads up, warning and banned several times the moderators are left with no option, other than a permanent ban. It is a very unpleasant task. I am sure they followed proper procedure. For them to bend the rules in this case would simply be unfair to other members who were banned permanently and not given a extra chance. I worked with them for over a year and can tell you they are all fair, unbiased and dedicated. I'm sure some of them lost some sleep last night over this decision. I know i would have. I like MR and i will miss her. She may apply for reinstatement down the road, and i'm sure the moderators will look at it fairly.

From what I could see she was only banned once for a week. A week, then a month would have been more appropriate.

One board I am on has a sliding scale, 1 one day, 3 days, 1 week, 1 month, and sometimes 3 months. They react like football, if you are warned and then good for a certain amount of time your penalties go down. So if she was suspended for 3 days, then was good for 3 months, the next penalty would not escalate.

However, they penalize a lot more. It is not unusual to have 10 or 15 members suspended at one time.

 

[Mr. Snakey]

From what I could see she was only banned once for a week. A week, then a month would have been more appropriate.

One board I am on has a sliding scale, 1 one day, 3 days, 1 week, 1 month, and sometimes 3 months. They react like football, if you are warned and then good for a certain amount of time your penalties go down. So if she was suspended for 3 days, then was good for 3 months, the next penalty would not escalate.

However, they penalize a lot more. It is not unusual to have 10 or 15 members suspended at one time.

I say several . Just stating two cases listed as public knowledge in this thread. I think the system used in regards to the T.o.S is best one can expect on a site such as this. And it's moderated fairly and very well. And i'm sure she was friends with some of moderators and they looked out for her. Thats the kind of people they are. As i and several other moderators looked out for NJ till there was nothing more we could do. The last resort is a permanent ban and it is very unpleasant. I am very sure ever possible action was taken to avoid a permanent ban. This is Rob_E's site and he chooses have moderators to govern it and supports them, as do i. I feel we all need to say a big thank you to them for all the hard work they do and get paid nothing for it.

 

[798686]

This is Rob_E's site and he chooses have moderators to govern it and supports them, as do i. I feel we all need to say a big thank you to them for all the hard work they do and get paid nothing for it.

I agree actually. Well said.

 

[Stretch]

I'm just speculating, but I would guess that the rather substantial amount of time she spent on another site that shall not be mentioned, bashing, insulting and trashing this site, it's moderating team at the time and it's members, most likely did not ingratiate her nor curry any favors with the powers that be here. Whether that is in any way a contributing factor to reasons unknown is again, just speculation. I could be wrong, but there is a history that goes well beyond any recent behavior that might have led to the decision to ban her.

 

[DaveyR]

I'm just speculating, but I would guess that the rather substantial amount of time she spent on another site that shall not be mentioned, bashing, insulting and trashing this site, it's moderating team at the time and it's members, most likely did not ingratiate her nor curry any favors with the powers that be here. Whether that is in any way a contributing factor to reasons unknown is again, just speculation. I could be wrong, but there is a history that goes well beyond any recent behavior that might have led to the decision to ban her.

The following is an extract from the TOS. Linking to sites used to defame this site or any of its members - This includes links or any other methods used to direct members to off site material that in any way defames the site or its membership

Whilst I cannot deny that some of the Mod team read and some are members of such sites what people post on them plays no part in our decisions when it comes to sanctions.

 

[Stretch]

The following is an extract from the TOS. Linking to sites used to defame this site or any of its members - This includes links or any other methods used to direct members to off site material that in any way defames the site or its membership

Whilst I cannot deny that some of the Mod team read and some are members of such sites what people post on them plays no part in our decisions when it comes to sanctions.

Like I said, it was just speculation on my part. Human nature being what it is and all, it just seemed a not so far fetched idea. I'm obviously mistaken and I stand corrected. Thank you for your swift reply CS. As a matter of fact, it's the quickest, and I think the first time a moderator has ever replied directly to one of my posts. I must have been way off.

 

[Patchos]

I'm just speculating, but I would guess that the rather substantial amount of time she spent on another site that shall not be mentioned, bashing, insulting and trashing this site, it's moderating team at the time and it's members, most likely did not ingratiate her nor curry any favors with the powers that be here. Whether that is in any way a contributing factor to reasons unknown is again, just speculation. I could be wrong, but there is a history that goes well beyond any recent behavior that might have led to the decision to ban her.

Yeah I have to wonder what goes on in peoples minds when they do this.

And then to publicly state that the mods are biased because they are on Luka's friends list? (sorry, I mean Reds husband wrote that, not her of course ) Someone definitely doesn't know how to make friends, lol.