Why was Mlle Rouge banned?

[D_Tim McGnaw]

That's just it, though, Hilly...rational adults are snarky and sarcastic with one another all the time in the course of normal interaction...without devolving into the unbridled insanity you've alluded to. Someone insinuating that another member is childish is a pretty far cry from the malevolent lunatic parade we've witnessed elsewhere...I really don't see there was any need for "remedy" here, other than to tell whomever reported her to grow the fuck up.

But where does that stop HG? I know exactly what you mean, a large and relatively diverse group of individual adults such as the membership of LPSG cannot be expected to like one another without exception, nor can they be expected to behave like saints, and of course a certain degree of friction is a normal part of group dynamics.

However if it's OK for one member to express derision or hostility towards another member is the member thus addressed entitled to retaliate? If so then where does that cycle end? At what point does normal human impatience and frailty become a serious and malicious antagonism?

I will continue to express myself as I have until now, which I think is honestly, in that when I agree with things I read I express that and when I disagree with something I'll express that. Are there members who have consistently said things which tick me off? Yes. Do I bother my arse to turn that in to a grudge match? No. Would I expect the moderators to indulge my personal grudges and allow me to express contempt of a personal nature for other members? No.

I don't think that the goal posts have been moved here at all.


Again, casual reader, please do not interpret these comments as an analysis of the situation between or actions of either Luka or Mlle. Rouge both of whom I think are just lovely.

 

[D_Tully Tunnelrat]

i think you are all cunts.

Am i interesting yet?

Fascinating. Can't wait to hear what's next!

 

[Bbucko]

But where does that stop HG? I know exactly what you mean, a large and relatively diverse group of individual adults such as the membership of LPSG cannot be expected to like one another without exception, nor can they be expected to behave like saints, and of course a certain degree of friction is a normal part of group dynamics.

However if it's OK for one member to express derision or hostility towards another member is the member thus addressed entitled to retaliate? If so then where does that cycle end? At what point does normal human impatience and frailty become a serious and malicious antagonism?

I will continue to express myself as I have until now, which I think is honestly, in that when I agree with things I read I express that and when I disagree with something I'll express that. Are there members who have consistently said things which tick me off? Yes. Do I bother my arse to turn that in to a grudge match? No. Would I expect the moderators to indulge my personal grudges and allow me to express contempt of a personal nature for other members? No.

I don't think that the goal posts have been moved here at all.


Again, casual reader, please do not interpret these comments as an analysis of the situation between or actions of either Luka or Mlle. Rouge both of whom I think are just lovely.

Actually, Hilly, the goal posts have been moved, at least from my perspective.

There has always been a tone here at LPSG: a tone with a real edge. I lurked for about a year before actually joining, because I knew I'd need to be at the top of my game here. The cast of characters here has always played quite roughly and frequently very personally, albeit with wit and intelligence. What passes for banter here got me warnings at another message board, and I wasn't even aware that my tone had taken on a snap that could be deemed offensive until then.

I don't claim to digest every forum here (let alone read every post), but I read enough to develop some strong opinions about other members, many of whose posts make my skin crawl or my eyes bleed. This isn't a snap judgment (generally), but it happens quite a bit and when it does it's definitive. My Ignore list isn't huge but I've never seen fit to take anyone off it, either. I'm not sure if that qualifies in your mind as a grudge, but in my mind it's pretty close. If I were to take certain people off the list, I'd be provoked into some pretty harsh retorts.

We're seeing an evolution here that is morphing LPSG into something that's a bit something else. In the case of the Politics forum, I welcome it and think it's long overdue. As this entire incident (Mlle R's temp ban) seems to be based on some drama that happened in chat, it looks like there are some changes being considered there, too: so much the better. I've described the Chat feature here as being like watching fisting porn five minutes after you've cum :redface:

Mlle R is a big girl who's got history here, both with the genpop and the mods. I have no doubt that this history flavors how she's perceived in both good and bad ways. That's only natural and very human.

 

[D_Tim McGnaw]

Actually, Hilly, the goal posts have been moved, at least from my perspective.

There has always been a tone here at LPSG: a tone with a real edge. I lurked for about a year before actually joining, because I knew I'd need to be at the top of my game here. The cast of characters here has always played quite roughly and frequently very personally, albeit with wit and intelligence. What passes for banter here got me warnings at another message board, and I wasn't even aware that my tone had taken on a snap that could be deemed offensive until then.

I don't claim to digest every forum here (let alone read every post), but I read enough to develop some strong opinions about other members, many of whose posts make my skin crawl or my eyes bleed. This isn't a snap judgment (generally), but it happens quite a bit and when it does it's definitive. My Ignore list isn't huge but I've never seen fit to take anyone off it, either. I'm not sure if that qualifies in your mind as a grudge, but in my mind it's pretty close. If I were to take certain people off the list, I'd be provoked into some pretty harsh retorts.

We're seeing an evolution here that is morphing LPSG into something that's a bit something else. In the case of the Politics forum, I welcome it and think it's long overdue. As this entire incident (Mlle R's temp ban) seems to be based on some drama that happened in chat, it looks like there are some changes being considered there, too: so much the better. I've described the Chat feature here as being like watching fisting porn five minutes after you've cum :redface:

Mlle R is a big girl who's got history here, both with the genpop and the mods. I have no doubt that this history flavors how she's perceived in both good and bad ways. That's only natural and very human.

Well naturally I bow to your better judgement and greater experience Bbucko. :redface:

I love that analogy btw!

 

[Bbucko]

I love that analogy btw!

I thought you might: nice use of red, too, BTW.

 

[Draconis71]

Well, I have been in a similar situation. My sister called me and left a birthday message on my answering machine...she sang me the usual Happy Birthday song but with her improvised lyrics. Wished me a happy 40th...but proceeded to tell me that I really didn't look like I was 40...that much.

So I sent her some birthday gifts to her workplace. Wishing her a Happy 69th Birthday on the mailing label. wink:She isn't 69. I just pulled that number out of the aether.:wink. That beyotch was angry at me. She called me the day she got the package. But then I informed her that it was all in fun like her birthday message that she left on my answering machine was.

And I said "IMAGINE: if you had just left a normal HAPPY BIRTHDAY song...you wouldn't be so upset now...you would have your gifts and a mailing label wishing you just a simple Happy Birthday. You started it and I just rolled with it. Now you are upset and it didn't have to be."

Now my sister hates me. :biggrin1:

Moral: Don't wish someone a Happy Birthday and have their age substantially lower or higher than their real age. You can piss them off either way. (Women sometimes do some shady cut downs.) And also do not on their birthday, say a shady cut-down about their age.

Damn.. Don't people realise... a woman's age is _NEVER_ over 29... (or is that 39??). One is also _NEVER_ under 18/19/21... depending on country/state. Most women do not posess an age... Trying to assign one to a woman will invariably get you in the proverbial doghouse, and, if you're REALLY unlucky, in the litteral one... being used as kibble for the puppies...
Oh, AND, if you miss the birthday... wait 3 months, and wish the person "happy gestation day" instead... It may just get you off the hook...

 

[deleted3782]

If there is a known issue between yourself and another member, and you've recently been spoken to about it, be careful not to say anything that could be interpreted as baiting, or trying to continue said issues while remaining under the radar so that they step over the line...

On LPSG its hard to tell the difference between the subtle baiting and the master baiting.

 

[petite]

Damn.. Don't people realise... a woman's age is _NEVER_ over 29... (or is that 39??). One is also _NEVER_ under 18/19/21... depending on country/state. Most women do not posess an age... Trying to assign one to a woman will invariably get you in the proverbial doghouse, and, if you're REALLY unlucky, in the litteral one... being used as kibble for the puppies...
Oh, AND, if you miss the birthday... wait 3 months, and wish the person "happy gestation day" instead... It may just get you off the hook...

You are a very wise man.

 

[Lex]

They are both pretty much regulars on the chat room, so who is to say that whatever "issue" existed between the two did not start and continue there for some time?

Ever since I was a mod, I stressed the need to have the chat moderated (and I know some mods frequent there as I did when I was a mod).

Also-- SPOT ON, Bbucko!

 

[HazelGod]

But where does that stop HG?

However if it's OK for one member to express derision or hostility towards another member is the member thus addressed entitled to retaliate? If so then where does that cycle end? At what point does normal human impatience and frailty become a serious and malicious antagonism?

I think the answers to your questions lie in the real world itself. How do you comport yourself in the flesh when faced with sarcasm or derision? At what point does an escalation warrant a call for authoritative intervention? Similar guidance should apply here as well...though this raises another set of questions, given the nanny-state mentality presently holding sway on your side of the pond. :tongue:

Something else to consider...I can't help but notice the presence of one party in this conflict on most of the moderators' friend lists, and the contrasting absence of the other party from same. That alone doesn't prove there's any bias of favoritism in their actions, but it certainly appears suspicious to the objective observer.

 

[D_Tim McGnaw]

I think the answers to your questions lie in the real world itself. How do you comport yourself in the flesh when faced with sarcasm or derision? At what point does an escalation warrant a call for authoritative intervention? Similar guidance should apply here as well...though this raises another set of questions, given the nanny-state mentality presently holding sway on your side of the pond. :tongue:

Something else to consider...I can't help but notice the presence of one party in this conflict on nearly all the moderators' friend lists, and the contrasting absence of the other party from same. That alone doesn't prove there's any bias of favoritism in their actions, but it certainly appears suspicious to the objective observer.

I take your point HG. :wink:

 

[Drifterwood]

Fascinating. Can't wait to hear what's next!

Smelly cunt.

 

[Fleur]

Thanks, A...but while I understand there are contributory factors to which I'm not privy, my question remains.

How are the regular members to interpret this sanction so that we might not fall afoul of the same situation? I'd like to think this wasn't some retaliatory action on behalf of a favored member or some similarly monstrous conspiracy theory...that there's a lesson to be learned here...but damned if I can ascertain what that might be?

The way I interpret it is we have to walk on eggshells for fear of being banned. I know I will be posting less. It's getting pretty overboard at this point.

 

[Fleur]

Something else to consider...I can't help but notice the presence of one party in this conflict on most of the moderators' friend lists, and the contrasting absence of the other party from same. That alone doesn't prove there's any bias of favoritism in their actions, but it certainly appears suspicious to the objective observer.

I think so too. I've wanted to mention this but for fear of "banning" have not. Honestly, in my opinion, Aconitum and other people who are personally involved or friends with the person being banned or wanting action taken should have nothing to do with the process or have a "vote"...regardless of any actual bias or not.

You wouldn't have a judge in a courtroom deciding the fate of a defendant who was accused of hurting the judge's best friend. It's a conflict of interest period. And it's not right.

I agree with Northland too...a lot of uneven moderating. But obviously it's not an easy black and white job.

 

[Pitbull]

They have changed this place so much that most of the interesting people left, or were banned. This place used to be exciting and interesting on an hourly basis, now it feels like I can visit for a whole week and not feel the need to post. Congrats, you got it under control, but you ruined it to do so.

Agree 100%

That's the problem now. You can't say what's on your mind because you don't know what is allowed here anymore.

Agree 100%

I wake up in the morning with a huge coffee pot and I chat, and YES, I do spend a lot of time in chat! It`s a happy place, for EVERYONE! There are some faces, some vaginas and some dicks you see more often then other and in time talking to them little by little you start considering them friends! Is that a bad thing????

Not everyone can be friends.
It is a mistake to consider people your friends when they are not.
It will eventually lead to disappointment and hurt.

 

[HazelGod]

The way I interpret it is we have to walk on eggshells for fear of being banned. I know I will be posting less. It's getting pretty overboard at this point.

This is my concern as well...the chilling effect seems to be in full swing lately with all the high-profile sanctions being handed down. The ramifications are undeniable: people with anything edgy to say are less likely to do so, and the overall content of the conversations is diluted down to the silly, trite, and inane...which seems to be the preferred stock in trade of certain members.

I know the mods and admins want to deter that effect as much as possible, but I don't see that being possible with their stated policies of opacity and secrecy. Penal systems in developed civilizations don't operate behind closed doors for a reason, so I don't know why anyone would expect different results when the eastern-bloc model of secret police is used here. And I don't follow the logic in the assertion that affected members' privacy is somehow expected when infractions occur and sanctions are leveled...when I'm issued a speeding ticket, the details of that fact are certainly not kept secret from the public, judging from the sudden influx of driving school offers that flood my postbox.

I don't claim to have the magic bullet for this set of circumstances, but it's clear to me that the present state of affairs is detrimental to the community of members as a whole.

 

[Incocknito]

The way I interpret it is we have to walk on eggshells for fear of being banned. I know I will be posting less. It's getting pretty overboard at this point.

Walking on eggshells? Really?

From what I recall, your posts were usually amicable and victimless.

All you have to do to not get banned is try and be a decent human being. If you find yourself walking on eggshells then take a closer look at the floor.

You will see the yolk of your own humanity seeping out of the broken eggs. Every time you decided to be a smartass, a prick, a non-conformist or a drama whore, you break an egg. And you lose a bit of your humanity in the process.

If you find yourself walking on eggshells then ask yourself why there are broken eggs on the floor in the first place. Who broke the eggs?

Maybe you broke the eggs because you just like breaking eggs. You like making a mess...by which I mean a scene.

This isn't a personal attack on Fleur btw. I'm just trying to point out that some of you:

Take this site too seriously
Court drama and mischief
Are being melodramatic
Don't play well with others
Should be banned :tongue:

PS Friends Lists are Faction Lists now? Silly me, thinking this was a website when its actually a War Zone :redface:

 

[Pitbull]

All you have to do to not get banned is try and be a decent human being. ...

Every time you decided to be ... a non-conformist ...you lose a bit of your humanity in the process.

Yes!
We must all conform!
And yet it is not clear what we must conform to.
So everyone just shut up and look at the pictures.

 

[D_Tim McGnaw]

You will see the yolk of your own humanity seeping out of the broken eggs. Every time you decided to be a smartass, a prick, a non-conformist or a drama whore, you break an egg. And you lose a bit of your humanity in the process.

What do you mean by this? Do you mean a rule breaker, in the sense of breaking the ToS? Or do you mean someone who does not conform to social conventions and norms or fall in step with commonly held ideas and beliefs?

 

[Incocknito]

Yes!
We must all conform!
And yet it is not clear what we must conform to.
So everyone just shut up and look at the pictures.

Conform to the Terms of Service. Conform with basic moral principles.