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WOB was well acquainted with the same rules and in the wake of the DCDeep accidental banning made a similar choice.

I saw it that she self terminated at a time when we didn't know that DC's banning was accidental. Had she known it was a mistake, I am fairly sure she would still be amongst us.

It is an interesting version of Romeo and Juliet, DC and Snoozie.
 

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Bullshit she fell on her sword because of the toxic atmosphere and disfuntional moderation on this site and she had had a gut full of it.
 

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CB and Ed forgetting to log each other out is, imho, completely understandable considering their situation. Any grace shown in their favor is not an empty gesture. They're good people.

Exactly - so the strict letter of the ToS is bent for those completely benign mishaps, and quite rightly so. That was my point in bringing it up at all.

Actually it really isnt random at all. There are occassions when people have a hard time logging in and make second accounts. Some times they contact us as let us know and we get rid of the other accounts or when we notice we contact them and then delete the other accounts. The issue arises when someone uses a former account while another is still actively being used. We have had former members harass other members with these online alter egos, as well as create lots of havoc. In cases like CB and Ed we know they use the same computer and are not trying to do anything devious. CB has even contacted me on occassion to let me know what is going on.

So hungmuscle wasn't warned? He was automatically banned instantly upon finding out about the double accounts? That's not what I understood from what prep posted in that thread. Maybe I misunderstood.

As for people having "a hard time logging in and make second accounts" - naughty I know for a fact that is not the only case in which a second (or more) account has been overlooked. On more than one occasion I've have been in contact with a member who has told me they have more than one account - each time I advised the member to notify the mods and to tell them about the secondary account(s) and then never use it again. The members in question were not banned. So why do they get clemency but NIC and snooz do not?

Just to be crystal clear - I don't pretend to know what motivated snooz or NIC (though certainly their motives at the time seemed fairly obvious), nor do I have the slightest idea if they want back or not, I really am just using the cases to illustrate a point. And I certainly I don't assume to speak for them.
 

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Exactly - so the strict letter of the ToS is bent for those completely benign mishaps, and quite rightly so. That was my point in bringing it up at all.



So hungmuscle wasn't warned? He was automatically banned instantly upon finding out about the double accounts? That's not what I understood from what prep posted in that thread. Maybe I misunderstood.

As for people having "a hard time logging in and make second accounts" - naughty I know for a fact that is not the only case in which a second (or more) account has been overlooked. On more than one occasion I've have been in contact with a member who has told me they have more than one account - each time I advised the member to notify the mods and to tell them about the secondary account(s) and then never use it again. The members in question were not banned. So why do they get clemency but NIC and snooz do not?

Just to be crystal clear - I don't pretend to know what motivated snooz or NIC (though certainly their motives at the time seemed fairly obvious), nor do I have the slightest idea if they want back or not, I really am just using the cases to illustrate a point. And I certainly I don't assume to speak for them.

There are cases where people have also started new accounts because they were being stalked and or had other personal reasons. Snoozan was not banned because she didnt tell us about her change in online name. She did tell the mod board. She and NIC for whatever their personal reasons chose to create a situation where they tested whether or not they would be banned by breaking TOS. We as moderators are not omniscient. We dont always see or even know everyone who has hacked his or her way back on the board and started a new account. We also work with the tools we have to deal with the situation. The average moderator does not have the ability to remove a previous online persona without either "Banning" it (which is sure to cause some comment if the member is well known) or letting it lie . We are on a daily basis working for more consistancy in dealing with this issue. I am very glad we now have a number of individuals on the moderator squad to weigh in on it and we are working heartily in that direction.
 

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Im pretty sure that if WOB/Snoozan approached the moderators at LPSG and asked to be allowed back they would likely agree to it. Thats my guess anyway based on my limited knowledge of how reasonable they can be. But it is up to her to make the effort. Maybe she doesnt even want to return. Maybe her pride stops her from asking to return. I have no clue whatsoever. But its not up to any of the LPSG powers to go asking her to come back. She was in the wrong & forced her own punishment. No-one can argue that point.
 

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That's all fine, naughty, but you're not really answering the issue I'm talking about here.

Here's the short version...
Back in April, he was found to have a secondary account, so he was warned about it and the second account closed. However, he added several more since then.

Why was hungmuscle warned and not just outright banned? It seems fairly obvious that NIC and snooz used the double account violation to 'fall on their swords' - but why were they able to? Why was that an automatic ban for them and not for hungmuscle?

Also, you don't appear to be hearing what I'm saying about the users I've referred to you because they had two accounts - the second account was not about stalkers, or problems logging in or 'other personal reasons', it was about having a second account.

XCUZE - What makes you say 'she was in the wrong'? - She wasn't til she intentionally posted as snoozan again to get banned.
 

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Exactly! She was in the wrong by intentionally getting herself banned.

Thats the only wrong Im talking about.
 

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That's all fine, naughty, but you're not really answering the issue I'm talking about here.



Why was hungmuscle warned and not just outright banned? It seems fairly obvious that NIC and snooz used the double account violation to 'fall on their swords' - but why were they able to? Why was that an automatic ban for them and not for hungmuscle?

Also, you don't appear to be hearing what I'm saying about the users I've referred to you because they had two accounts - the second account was not about stalkers, or problems logging in or 'other personal reasons', it was about having a second account.

XCUZE - What makes you say 'she was in the wrong'? - She wasn't til she intentionally posted as snoozan again to get banned.

Maybe you should ask someone else because i clearly am not getting what you are asking here.
 

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Why was hungmuscle warned and not just outright banned? [...] Why was that an automatic ban for them and not for hungmuscle?

In Hung Muscle's case, we didn't discover the first batch of multiple accounts until long (six or eight months, I think, but I can't go back and check now) after the last time they had been used.
 

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NIC was banned for having a blatantly nude avatar. I do not believe he was banned for having a second account.
It was not because of the nude avatar, Jason.

All this was covered in the thread he started. I believe you'll find it as the very last post in his post history.

*Edit.

Jason, you posted on that thread. You should remember that wasn't the reason.
 
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It was not because of the nude avatar, Jason.

All this was covered in the thread he started. I believe you'll find it as the very last post in his post history.

*Edit.

Jason, you posted on that thread. You should remember that wasn't the reason.

Sorry. That bit of brain space was forfeited to remembering I have to take Nick8 and Hellskitchenman to the Leatherman to help me pick out some toys.
 

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You'd be very welcome!:wink:
Jason,
Would love to join you but my experience there has been best alone...the last time I went on a field trip there; one of the guys said to me " Oh you are the friend that knows how to accessorize" I've gone solo ever sense. Have fun! BTW I think this thread has been officially highjacked!