William Barr Wants To Bring ‘god’s Law’ To America. Is That The Doj' Job?

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William Barr Wants To Bring ‘God’s Law’ To America

William Barr Wants To Bring ‘God’s Law’ To America

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“Americans United for Separation of Church and State,” “Americans United” and “Church & State” are registered trademarks of Americans United for Separation of Church and State.


Overview of the article by mainly pulling out the direct quotes of Barr concerning religious education and that taxes should pay for it.

Is this the job of the Attorney General. What is Barr doing to try to bring this about?

It appears to me that there is only one reason Barr is fighting on Trump's team. The goal is to get federal funding for religious schools and in the case of Barr, Catholic schools.

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Just last month, Barr joined former attorneys general Edwin Meese III and Michael B. Mukasey in a Washington Post column praising the views of Jeff Sessions, the ex Attorney General for his October 2017 directive “to all executive departments containing guidance for protecting religious expression.” The Sessions order, Americans United pointed out, is just a blueprint for using religion to discriminate.

Americans United criticized the guidance for insisting that religious organizations have a right to take taxpayer money and discriminate against employees and the people they serve.

Below are some quotes made by Barr and also some beliefs that can be gleaned from Barr's writings over time. These I believe are very important to understand who Barr really is and to what is his agenda. It appears to be to further the cause of religious, specifically Catholic education with taxes paying the cost of religious instruction. Read on:

In a speech, Barr blasted public schools for no longer providing moral instruction. He asserted that public schools had undergone a “moral lobotomy” and blamed it on “extremist notions of separation of church and state.”


During speech to the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights, a traditionalist Catholic group, Barr called for the imposition of “God’s law” in America.

“To the extent that a society’s moral culture is based on God’s law, it will guide men toward the best possible life,” Barr said.

“modern secularists” ... “The secularists of today are clearly fanatics.”

“Traditional Judeo-Christian doctrine maintains that there is a transcendent moral order with objective standards of right and wrong that exists independent of man’s will. This transcendent order flows from God’s eternal law – the divine will by which the whole of creation is ordered.”

“a steady and mounting assault on traditional values” spawned “soaring juvenile crime, widespread drug addiction and skyrocketing venereal diseases.”

Barr bemoaned no-fault divorce laws, legal abortion and laws designed to “restrain sexual immorality, obscenity or euthanasia.”

Barr attacked the Supreme Court’s ruling in Lee v. Weisman, a 1992 ruling that upheld the high court’s decisions from 1962 and ’63 barring public schools from compelling children to take part in prayer and worship.

“From a legal standpoint, our initial focus should be on education and efforts to strengthen and finance education,” observed Barr. “This means vouchers at the state level and ultimately at the federal level to support parental choice in education. We should press at every turn for the inclusion of religious institutions.”

How did we allow a person with these views to become Attorney General? I am a more liberal Christian. I believe that the hour of Sunday School, the hour for activities on Sunday night and on Wednesday night are the place to teach the next generation my church's beliefs.

I am not expecting tax supported schools to teach Christian beliefs and bring the students into a "saving relationship with Jesus Christ." That duty belongs to the parents and to the church they attend if they are Christians.

If it can't be covered in three hours a week, then having five hours a week instead won't work very well either, especially if in school it is taught without regard to how the students are receiving instruction.

The church has to find ways to make instruction interesting so that students want to come. The instruction will have much better results as a result than if the instruction is in a required class where the teacher doesn't care the least about making the lessons interesting.

It is the parents' job to see that religious instruction is taught, not the federal government or any government.

To some, this doesn't relate to Barr's involvement in Trump's impeachment inquiries. I contend just the oppossite is true. Barr is 69. There is a reason Barr came from retirement to join the Trump administration.

As a devout Catholic, Barr didn't do this because he considers Trump to be a very moral person.

I believe that Barr became Attorney General for the purpose of advancing the use of taxes to fund religious and private schools. This has been a long time goal. Trump is giving the right wing Christians everything that they want ot get their loyalty.

In the next few days and weeks we need to learn all that there is to learn about Barr and what makes him tick to Trump's beat and why?

This thread can be used for all these discussions about Barr and his relationship to Trump concerning impeachment and why Barr came out of retirement to do this!
 

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First the g on G not being capitalized was a mistake. The second that it appeared on screen, I saw it. I tried to fix it. I could edit the opening post, but there was no way to edit the title.

Oh well, it is not the first mistake I have made and it certainly won't be the last.

Further comments by me:

I don't remember any of this being brought out during Barr's confirmation hearings. (About Barr being a well known advocate of Catholic Schools and tax money go to support religious schools.)Such viewpoints should have resulted in Barr not being confirmed by the Senate.

Somehow, the Democrats should have done what it takes for every Democrat and Independent in the US read this information before confirmation hearings were heard in committee.

I'm trying to get my head around the fact that Barr is so focused on teaching morality in our schools. Barr doesn't appear to see a need to follow moral laws as Attorney General.

Perhaps Barr doesn't consider the US Constitution as a document that a moral American should follow.

I bring this thread to the Politics forum as a place to discuss all that is Barr concerning the impeachment proceedings in the House and the apparent trial to come in the Senate.

Apparently Barr overheard the entire conversation of Trump and Ukraine president that is at the heart of the charges of impeachment to be drawn by the House.

Perhaps, impeachment proceedings need to be started against Barr for his role in Ukraine Affair!

If it relates to Barr and his qualifications to be Attorney General, this is the correct thread.

If it needs to be a springboard to starting impeachment proceedings against Barr, this is the correct thread.

Any other Barr and Trump impeachment information can be a part of this thread.

Nancy did not give her blessings to an impeachment in the House until she had all her ducks in a row including enough votes to impeach Trump.

The answers to be decided are for:

How many of the numerous examples of impeachable offenses will the House name? Trump committed a few impeachable acts on most given days. How many is enough?

How well will Nancy and Democrats use this to increase the groundswell of the American people for the removal of Trump as president for his many impeachable acts?

How many Republican defections will there be? This could indicate the chances of conviction in the Senate.

How will Bill Barr be active during these impeachment proceedings? Will he be a major player?

Barr's daily activities concerning Trump's impeachment proceedings can be posted here if you wish.
 
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Based on Barr’s actions, he has no credibility. His sense of a godly life in government is laughable and hypocritical. He is as corrupt as his god sent “messiah”. This was also the agenda of Betsy Devos. Religion has no place in government and has been the downfall of many civilizations. There is a place for it, but not in government.
 

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Lock him up.

It's time to impeach William Barr

"Last Friday, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi had this to say about Attorney General William Barr's efforts to protect Donald Trump: "He's gone rogue."

That was before the blockbuster revelations Monday that Barr was soliciting foreign intelligence officials to discredit U.S. intelligence that had found Russian interference in the 2016 election.

It was before the other blockbuster revelation that it was Barr who urged Trump to call the Australian prime minister to help his effort to "gather information for a Justice Department inquiry that Mr. Trump hopes will discredit the Mueller investigation."

The attorney general of the United States is attempting to discredit an investigation by the former FBI director of the United States, Robert Mueller, and thus trying to discredit Mueller himself.

Not just Mueller, as Democratic Rep. David Cicilline tweets: "Every single American should be outraged that the Attorney General—who is responsible for overseeing the FBI—is working with foreign governments to smear the brave men and women of the FBI."
 

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There is no extremism in separation. Things are either connected or they are not.

Cunts like this guy just can't get his head around the non concept of gods and religions. He has to think of "secularism" as a competing faith and therefore an enemy.

These people are intellectually deficient.
I do believe in God and I am a practicing liberal Christian who believes all the Bible must be interpreted through the teachings by Jesus iinthe four Gospels.

I also agree with your post. Christianity teaches that be be a Christian is a choice, not something ramed down the throats of students.

Anytime, a religion gets sanction by a government harm has been done to both.

The easiest way to bring down Christianity as the dominent faith is to make it a state religion taught in government schools.

Somehow corruption happens to the church when it takes on governmental aspirations.

The school is to teach about all religions, all all students to practice their religion and not favor any religion as the state mandated religion.

The Church of England is still listed as the state church, but the government does not support the church financially and all British subjects are free to follow any religion or no religion.

The pomp and circumstance of liturgy is used by the state in state events as a nod to tradition.

What the evangelical wing of Christianity is far more controlling of students' religious education than what is in effect in the UK.

The evangelical right wing Christians want Judeo-Christian law become the law of the United States. There ultimate goal is to make all non Christian religions lose constitutional protections.

The American Republic will cease to exist as we know it if these rightwing Christians get control of our nation.

I don't know how they will do it, but somehow only people from a European background will be allowed to vote. I suspect they already have a working paper on how to do this, but are keep[ing it under wraps.

This rightwing Evangelical fundamentalist group opposes the Main Line Protestant churches such as the Presbyterian Church, the Episcopal Church, the United Methodist Church, the Diciples of Christ, the United Church of Christ and the American Baptist Churches which are lightpoles different from the Southern Baptisdt Convention which isn't close to being Main Line Protestant and is part of the rightwing Evangelical movement. There is a Lutheran denomination that is considered main line protestant, but I don't remember its qualifying adjectives are!

These seven main line churches are called the seven sisters churches and politically and its members tend to be centralists or liberals politically.

That makes three major groups of Christians in the US: Mainline Christians, Evangelical Christians and the Catholic Church.

Both the Catholic and Evangelical Christians want church schools to receive tax dollars. This would be a major mistake. Federal dollars don't need to be mixing with church schools. Period!

Yet, that is Barr's long term goal? He must not be allowed to succeed.
 

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Lock him up.

It's time to impeach William Barr

"Last Friday, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi had this to say about Attorney General William Barr's efforts to protect Donald Trump: "He's gone rogue."

That was before the blockbuster revelations Monday that Barr was soliciting foreign intelligence officials to discredit U.S. intelligence that had found Russian interference in the 2016 election.

It was before the other blockbuster revelation that it was Barr who urged Trump to call the Australian prime minister to help his effort to "gather information for a Justice Department inquiry that Mr. Trump hopes will discredit the Mueller investigation."

The attorney general of the United States is attempting to discredit an investigation by the former FBI director of the United States, Robert Mueller, and thus trying to discredit Mueller himself.

Not just Mueller, as Democratic Rep. David Cicilline tweets: "Every single American should be outraged that the Attorney General—who is responsible for overseeing the FBI—is working with foreign governments to smear the brave men and women of the FBI."
This is the only solution I can find to protect the Justice Department from being made impotent. We need to get a groundswell that Nancy can here and get this done after we have removed Trump from office. This needs to be done before Christmas at the latest!
 
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I don’t believe at heart they’re religious at all. They just understand they need the preachers and their flock to win elections. Everything they do in their personal lives are about as areligious as it gets when the truth gets out. Just as they understand they need the racists and bigots and even neo-Nazis now to win. They may not be racists and bigots in private. And once in power they govern for only them.
 
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I don’t believe at heart they’re religious at all. They just understand they need the preachers and their flock to win elections. Everything they do in their personal lives are about as areligious as it gets when the truth gets out. Just as they understand they need the racists and bigots and even neo-Nazis now to win. They may not be racists and bigots in private. And once in power they govern for only them.
Yup, They are “religious in name only” for the Evangelical vote. One set of power hungry whores using the other set of holier-than-thou bigoted whores. Who’s screwing who? None of it for the betterment of the country.
 
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Please abstain from misusing government funds.
 

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The last phrase in the cartoon is the origin of this post. The Savior We've Been Waiting."

In Revelation there is mention of an anti-Christ. Some believe that close to the end of times a person will appear claiming to be what he isn't. That is Jesus returning to the earth. Only this person will not be Jesus returning to the earth. This person will be the opposite of Jesus. Millions will follow this fake Jesus.

My belief concerning this is that there have been and always will be aniti-Christs in every generation.

This concept hinges on the belief that there will be fakers that will pretend to be Jesus or at least a great preacher and evangelist who misleads those who want to follow God's teachings.

I have friends who are members of one of these evangelical/fundamentalist churches. It has really saddened me to see some of them falling for Trump. When I read or hear someone who is giving testimony on the works and greatness of Donald Trump I just wince. Then those words, "Trump is God's man for the US" are said or I have read. It is tragic to me.

I look at those pictures in the newspapers. I see them just for a second or two. Then similar pictures to the one I am responding to appear.

The picture on the front page from time to time of hands on Trump getting blessed are repulsive to me because first, I believe Trump is as fake as a three dollar bill. So are some of the people gathered around.
I look at this picture provided. One second I am roaring with laughter at how someone has been able to portray what really is going on. Then I get angry or very sad knowing how much the picture projects the truth.

Truth that speaks poorly of the US in 2019.
 

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The last phrase in the cartoon is the origin of this post. The Savior We've Been Waiting."

In Revelation there is mention of an anti-Christ. Some believe that close to the end of times a person will appear claiming to be what he isn't. That is Jesus returning to the earth. Only this person will not be Jesus returning to the earth. This person will be the opposite of Jesus. Millions will follow this fake Jesus.

My belief concerning this is that there have been and always will be aniti-Christs in every generation.

This concept hinges on the belief that there will be fakers that will pretend to be Jesus or at least a great preacher and evangelist who misleads those who want to follow God's teachings.

I have friends who are members of one of these evangelical/fundamentalist churches. It has really saddened me to see some of them falling for Trump. When I read or hear someone who is giving testimony on the works and greatness of Donald Trump I just wince. Then those words, "Trump is God's man for the US" are said or I have read. It is tragic to me.

I look at those pictures in the newspapers. I see them just for a second or two. Then similar pictures to the one I am responding to appear.

The picture on the front page from time to time of hands on Trump getting blessed are repulsive to me because first, I believe Trump is as fake as a three dollar bill. So are some of the people gathered around.
I look at this picture provided. One second I am roaring with laughter at how someone has been able to portray what really is going on. Then I get angry or very sad knowing how much the picture projects the truth.

Truth that speaks poorly of the US in 2019.

The embrace of Trump by Evangelical Christians proves the fraud of their "faith." It has always been a sham. Period. Full Stop.
 

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The same people that get so wrapped around the axle about "sharia law"

Imagine if it was the Jewish faith and those good ol boy rednecks got told they can't eat pork

Bacon

Ribs

Pulled pork

No kind of eatin on the hog
 
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Morality needs to be taught somewhere because is sure as hell isn't being taught at home.
You obviously lead by example. The Party of Jesus and Evangelicals have lost all credibility by their religious supremacy mantra of “do as I say, not as I do”, along with their association with Trump. Even Jesus wants no association with them. Parents are responsible for and should be the moral example for their children and teach morality in the home. Place that failure where it rightly belongs. And to that end, it doesn’t come about with Trump as an example.
...When God was taken out of schools is when this country went to hell...
When God was put into politics was when this country went to hell. There was a reason that this country was founded with separation of church and state. Religion in government has always been the downfall of many governments and civilizations. Evangelicals sold their souls to Trump in an effort to have government impose their narrow-minded medieval view of religion and morality on the nation seeing as their religion and membership fails miserably because of the hypocrisy of their message.
..::Congratulation Progresses you've won for now but not much longer.
No one wins when government enforces the views of one religion over others on a nation. Those that are most aggressive in taking over our government to make this a Christian nation are the worst examples of Christianity—they do not represent their Christ. They represent their own bigotry and a desire to justify it legally. It’s too bad that the good people of religion—who actually do good in the world—are drowned out by the bigots, hate-mangers, and zealots of religion who serve no purpose other than spreading hate and divisiveness disguised as religion. Their God deserves better than this as his representatives..
 

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Isn't it hilarious when right winged shills and supporters of bigoted ideology,

and who take joy in Trump's brand of backwards-assed, retrogressive, fear mongering, and narrow minded, mean spirited policymaking, start talking about "morality" and God??