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Discussion in 'Women's Issues' started by dolfette, Mar 19, 2010.
ladies, if you can manage any actual thoughts, what are your thoughts on this statement?
Interesting question. Looking forward to see what people say
My thoughts on this are that I'm entirely more logical than most men, I might not always want to give a reason for why I do something, but there always is a reason. However I find most men to be illogical creatures, their emotions take them over and before they know it they find themselves in deep shit. Before I do anything I weigh up the ramifications, most men seem to jump straight in with both size 12s and worry later about the consequences.
In many ways I see a sense of logic as diametrically opposed to creativity, and I'm forced to admit that artistically and using the written word men have us beat, however verbally we beat them hands down and that's because we read their body signals, use our reasoning to work out what it is they're really saying and apply logic to that.
I admire your attempt to humiliate my statement based on logic from 1st hand experience. I thought the people on this forum were more mature, which is why I joined. I'll take my advice to men who love effective knowledge.
I admire your ineffective attempt at sneering AlphaSpartan, that won't work on women, we see what you're doing and it just makes us grin.
men frequently complain about my lack of emotion.
^ self humiliation.
i did not link to your post or name you.
i just wanted people's take on the theory.
if i was just being bitchy i would have cited.
your emotional response to this is gratifying though.
I know this is a direct insult from Dolf to someone else, but I'll bite. As much as SpoiledPrincess is usually well-above average in terms of insightfulness and just basic knowledge...I don't agree with this one.
It's all in the company you keep. Hang around with jackass guys and hey, "All guys are jackasses". Hang around with slutty girls...you wonder why you get cheated on, etc. That being said, there are exceptions to everything. To say most men are illogical is just as wrong as saying all women think with emotion as opposed to logic.
I've received many comments about how logical my thought process is and how I make very few bad decisions, whereas my best friend is truly, 100% stupid. He does things for attention, then decides whether it was a good or bad idea.
Two sides to every story, opinion, etc.
I'm not a woman, but i think that statements is a gross over-generalization. The short of my take on it is that our society allows for women to act based on their emotions more than men. But to say that women's thoughts are based entirely on their emotions is just plain stupid. I believe almost everyone has a rational layer of thought that is applied above the emotionally-charged reaction.
If someone I considered of no consequence told me something that made me very angry, my action would be considerably different from that of someone else who I considered consequential. For example, if a bum on the street said "Hey, fuck you!" I'd likely reply with something equal. But if someone I was generally fearful of said the same thing to me, I'd likely not reply at all. This is because my rational layer overrides my emotional layer.
I just think women act on their emotional layer with a different set of rational. Sometimes I'm envious of that actually.
Anyone ever read Stiffed?
Stiffed: The Betrayal of the American Man - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
What he said.
i'm with you.
we're all individuals.
there are logical men and there are overly emotional men.
there are logical women and there are overly emotional women.
just watching a football match tells you that some men can be rendered stupid when their emotional responses block out clear thinking.
just watching emergency crew of both genders attending an accident tells you that both genders are able to rise above the emotional response.
I didn't say that all men were illogical did I, I said many and that's what I've found.
Women have had a long held reputation for being illogical, but if you think of the conditions in which women historically had to live we never really had a chance to grow intellectually. We've been burned as witches, forced into marriages, didn't have the right to own property or the right to our own children, we were unable to gain meaningful employment, denied education, we've been foot bound, genitally mutilated, in short during the time when women first gained a reputation for illogicality it was downright dangerous to be a woman. We didn't have the advantages men had but despite that you got the occasional one who showed you what a woman could do in a man's world - Elizabeth I, Sappho, Aphra Benn, Catherine of Braganza, Catherine de Medici.
It's hasn't been one hundred years since women in the uk were given the vote, they only achieved it in 1971 in France, we've been held back because men had the luck to have superior strength, but look how far women have come in a few short years.
"I didn't say that all men were illogical did I, I said many and that's what I've found."
Ah, the word game eh? You're saying that I said that you said that all men are illogical. I didn't say that you said that. Heh.
Just screwin' around though, really. I know what you mean, you know what I mean. Congratulations on your female progress. I'm an '87, so the changes have been gradual over my whole life...I notice few of them.
We can debate this till the end of time but men's and women's brains are VERY VERY different. I know for a fact that I am way too influenced by my emotions and often wish I could think more like a man. If you read the research you can't deny that we are wired differently and for obvious reasons. Men and women performed very different roles throughout evolution and even though our roles have blended somewhat we still retain all of that biological information.
I think it's silly to say that women are not more emotional than men are.
If you read enough about the subject you can't ignore the fact that women ARE more emotional then men because our brains are built that way. That being said, it's also dumb to say that all women are emotional hysterical messes and that we can't form a logical thought. It's just that we are different, leaning towards the emotional side, not that we're crazy. It really pisses me off when guys describe all women with whom a relationship didn't work out as "psycho". It's easy to generalize and write women off as the less intelligent, more "crazy" sex, but the truth is we have our strengths and weaknesses and we can actually compliment eachother if we learn how to work around those differences and not be quick to judge.
Clearly I am a guy, but that bugs me too. I overheard an ex of my sister's telling his friends how my sister was totally nuts and went crazy and broke up with him. What he left out of the story was that he cheated and she was angry. It's easy to make a girl seem like an 'emotional mess' when the most crucial details are left out. At the same time though, some girls (and guys) are downright emotionally insane.
That contributed nothing really. Meh.
seaside, you can talk about the average woman being more emotional than the average man and i'll respect your beliefs.
however the blanket statement that women are more emotional than me implies that all women are more emotional than all men...which is daft.
sometimes i think that the man difference between av man and av woman is not the degree of emotion but the type of emotion we feel the strongest...for example, crime stats would indicate that violent loss of temper is more common in men.
the anger that drives a person to violence as an emotion, as is the sentimentality that drives my best friend to cry at soap opera weddings.
My mummy just irritated me, so out of spite, I'm gonna have to agree with the statement in the title.:biggrin1:
I didn't say that all women are more emotional than all men. I said that our brains are wired differently. You can find billions of anomalies with ANY subject but as far as brains, we are just different.
10 Big Differences Between Men’s and Women’s Brains
Jun 16th, 2009
By Amber Hensley
The differences between women and men are not only well-documented, but frequently at the heart of jokes, anecdotes, and good-natured (and not so good-natured) ribbing. Experts have discovered that there are actually differences in the way women’s and men’s brains are structured and in the way they react to events and stimuli. So the next time your wife, boyfriend, or parent starts telling you how you should have done something differently, then refer back to these big differences between men’s and women’s brains.
Human relationships. Women tend to communicate more effectively than men, focusing on how to create a solution that works for the group, talking through issues, and utilizes non-verbal cues such as tone, emotion, and empathy whereas men tend to be more task-oriented, less talkative, and more isolated. Men have a more difficult time understanding emotions that are not explicitly verbalized, while women tend to intuit emotions and emotional cues. These differences explain why men and women sometimes have difficulty communicating and why men-to-men friendships look different from friendships among women.
Left brain vs. both hemispheres. Men tend to process better in the left hemisphere of the brain while women tend to process equally well between the two hemispheres. This difference explains why men are generally stronger with left-brain activities and approach problem-solving from a task-oriented perspective while women typically solve problems more creatively and are more aware of feelings while communicating.
Mathematical abilities. An area of the brain called the inferior-parietal lobule (IPL) is typically significantly larger in men, especially on the left side, than in women. This section of the brain is thought to control mental mathematical ability, and probably explains why men frequently perform higher in mathematical tasks than do women. Interestingly, this is the same area of Einstein’s brain that was discovered to be abnormally large. The IPL also processes sensory information, and the larger right side in women allows them to focus on, "specific stimuli, such as a baby crying in the night."
Reaction to stress. Men tend to have a "fight or flight" response to stress situations while women seem to approach these situations with a "tend and befriend" strategy. Psychologist Shelley E. Taylor coined the phrase "tend and befriend" after recognizing that during times of stress women take care of themselves and their children (tending) and form strong group bonds (befriending). The reason for these different reactions to stress is rooted in hormones. The hormone oxytocin is released during stress in everyone. However, estrogen tends to enhance oxytocin resulting in calming and nurturing feelings whereas testosterone, which men produce in high levels during stress, reduces the effects of oxytocin.
Language. Two sections of the brain responsible for language were found to be larger in women than in men, indicating one reason that women typically excel in language-based subjects and in language-associated thinking. Additionally, men typically only process language in their dominant hemisphere, whereas women process language in both hemispheres. This difference offers a bit of protection in case of a stroke. Women may be able to recover more fully from a stroke affecting the language areas in the brain while men may not have this same advantage.
Emotions. Women typically have a larger deep limbic system than men, which allows them to be more in touch with their feelings and better able to express them, which promotes bonding with others. Because of this ability to connect, more women serve as caregivers for children. The down side to this larger deep limbic system is that it also opens women up to depression, especially during times of hormonal shifts such as after childbirth or during a woman’s menstrual cycle.
Brain size. Typically, men’s brains are 11-12% bigger than women’s brains. This size difference has absolutely nothing to do with intelligence, but is explained by the difference in physical size between men and women. Men need more neurons to control their greater muscle mass and larger body size, thus generally have a larger brain.
Pain. Men and women perceive pain differently. In studies, women require more morphine than men to reach the same level of pain reduction. Women are also more likely to vocalize their pain and to seek treatment for their pain than are men. The area of the brain that is activated during pain is the amygdala, and researchers have discovered that in men, the right amygdala is activated and in women, the left amygdala is activated. The right amygdala has more connections with areas of the brain that control external functions while the right amygdala has more connections with internal functions. This difference probably explains why women perceive pain more intensely than do men.
Spatial ability. Men typically have stronger spatial abilities, or being able to mentally represent a shape and its dynamics, whereas women typically struggle in this area. Medical experts have discovered that women have a thicker parietal region of the brain, which hinders the ability to mentally rotate objects–an aspect of spatial ability. Research has shown this ability in babies as young as 5 months old, negating any ideas that these abilities were strengthened by environmental influences.
Susceptibility to disorders. Because of the way men and women use the two hemispheres of the brain differently, there are some disorders that men and women are susceptible to in different ways. Men are more apt to have dyslexia or other language problems. If women have dyslexia, they are more likely to compensate for it. Women, on the other hand, are more susceptible to mood disorders such as depression and anxiety. While handedness is not a disorder, these brain tendencies also explain why more men are left-handed than are women. Men are also more likely to be diagnosed with autism, ADHD, and Tourette’s Syndrom
i'm too lazy for cut & paste tonight...
so i'll just change the topic!
BBC - Science & Nature - Sex ID
^^^interesting fun test.
did you know that men in stereotypically female jobs often have what is considered a female type brain...and vice versa?
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