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I can remeber everything well mysel;f, so I dont think it just women.

I can remeber the real hot sex in vivid detail.
What music was on.
The smell of the fall air outside.
Her lotions and shampoo she wore.
Her breast and pubic area. How they looked and tasted and smelled.
Hoew she felt.
How she moaned or whimpered.
How she reacted when she came.
Where I came on her or in her.
What she was wearing.
 

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Wait? explain your reasoning behind that.

Men, who are biologically to mate with as many women as possible, wouldn't have a reason to care what female they mated with as long as they produced young ( maybe ). So passing on genes, which only takes a few seconds / minutes for males and not remembering the partner would work best for spreading genes.

Females, who are biologically to mate with a as many men as possible until pregnancy would have a reason for imprintation, obviously because you do have to remember, and probably hunt down, "daddy" who is busy attempting to win the vagina of another woman. It is speculated that "Love" is a creation to help keep parentals together, and it's much easier for women to love strongly than men, seeing as women are much more emotional for reasons which are beyond me.

It's just now that we're "civilized" the tendencies within us, both instinctual and "humanized", are blurred. A woman who loves Bobbeh H. because he got her pregnant is serving her instinctual knowledge, but at the same time the human logic instilled argues "You don't actually love him" because "Love" by humanized definition is completely different. We base love no longer on pure physical manifestation, but inner self and whatnot, of which some people believe is tripe and others glorious and infallable. Regardless things got complex and so we're here where cheating is wrong ( in nature there is no such thing as "cheating" ) and sexual encounters shouldn't be done so randomly or done based solely on physical characteristics else one is considered negatively or given congratulations based on impurity.

Then again I could be wrong.
 

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I can remeber everything well mysel;f, so I dont think it just women.

I can remeber the real hot sex in vivid detail.
What music was on.
The smell of the fall air outside.
Her lotions and shampoo she wore.
Her breast and pubic area. How they looked and tasted and smelled.
Hoew she felt.
How she moaned or whimpered.
How she reacted when she came.
Where I came on her or in her.
What she was wearing.

Well, that's the thing, I too can remember very strong orgasms in vivid detail without my own attention, often because I think I'd had have an anuerysm if it was anymore intenst. Then again there are factors to be taken into account, such as whether you have a strong memory to begin with, whether you are highly sensitive to touches, especially erotic ones, and whether you actually attempted to or wanted to remember. Also how many partners you've had, your emotional state of being and how strong those emotions are, and how strong the orgasms you have are or how long lasting.

There are, of course, exceptions to all rules.

Regardless your point is proven! It isn't just women. I suppose I was asking simply because women seem to exhibit this trait more than men. I apologize for the inconsideration.
 

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that's a whole hell of a lot of speculation based on a whole bunch of conventional wisdom speculation that no one has really been able to prove one way or another.

the scientific community doesn't fully understand physical evolution, and human cultural/social evolution is far behind that.

the initial topic is purely speculative and i've seen no research or even anecdotal evidence here that it's a phenomenon experienced primarily by women.

people around here tend to base a lot of arguments on genetics and evolution regardless of whether they have any real understanding of it. maybe i should post this in the pet peeve thread. :rolleyes:

Men, who are biologically to mate with as many women as possible, wouldn't have a reason to care what female they mated with as long as they peoduced young ( maybe ). So passing on genes, which only takes a few seconds / minutes for males and not remembering the partner would work best for spreading genes.

Females, who are biologically to mate with a as many men as possible until pregnancy would have a reason for imprintation, obviously because you do have to remember, and probably hunt down, "daddy" who is busy attempting to win the vagina of another woman. It is speculated that "Love" is a creation to help keep parentals together, and it's much easier for women to love strongly than men, seeing as women are much more emotional for reasons which are beyond me.

It's just now that we're "civilized" the tendencies within us, both instinctual and "humanized", are blurred. A woman who loves Bobbeh H. because he got her pregnant is serving her instinctual knowledge, but at the same time the human logic instilled argues "You don't actually love him" because "Love" by humanized definition is completely different. We base love no longer on pure physical manifestation, but inner self and whatnot, of which some people believe is tripe and others glorious and infallable. Regardless things got complex and so we're here where cheating is wrong ( in nature there is no such thing as "cheating" ) and sexual encounters shouldn't be done so randomly or done based solely on physical characteristics else one is considered negatively or given congratulations based on impurity.

Then again I could be wrong.
 

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Men, who are biologically to mate with as many women as possible, wouldn't have a reason to care what female they mated with as long as they produced young ( maybe ). So passing on genes, which only takes a few seconds / minutes for males and not remembering the partner would work best for spreading genes.
I really disagree. Biologically thousands of years ago back to the Neanderthal age maybe but I don't think males have been breeding this way for centuries.
Females, who are biologically to mate with a as many men as possible until pregnancy would have a reason for implantation, obviously because you do have to remember, and probably hunt down, "daddy" who is busy attempting to win the vagina of another woman. It is speculated that "Love" is a creation to help keep parentals together, and it's much easier for women to love strongly than men, seeing as women are much more emotional for reasons which are beyond me.
We aren't biologically built to be cock sluts till we get pregnant. Besides we wouldn't be able to tell from the sex who the father was.. that is ludicrous. I also think that saying women falling in love easier than men is a stereotype. We get emotional after having a kid because there are so many hormones going through us. And that baby shared everything with us for 9 months.
It's just now that we're "civilized" the tendencies within us, both instinctual and "humanized", are blurred. A woman who loves Bobbeh H. because he got her pregnant is serving her instinctual knowledge, but at the same time the human logic instilled argues "You don't actually love him" because "Love" by humanized definition is completely different. We base love no longer on pure physical manifestation, but inner self and whatnot, of which some people believe is tripe and others glorious and infallable. Regardless things got complex and so we're here where cheating is wrong ( in nature there is no such thing as "cheating" ) and sexual encounters shouldn't be done so randomly or done based solely on physical characteristics else one is considered negatively or given congratulations based on impurity.

Then again I could be wrong.
I think I'll go more with the.. you might be wrong. Because none of this makes any sense really.
 

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that's a whole hell of a lot of speculation based on a whole bunch of conventional wisdom speculation that no one has really been able to prove one way or another.

I am aware of this. "Proving" said actions would take quite a long time, but going off of what we know and general behaviors in our closest relatives, as well as our behavior today, it's not so entirely groundless.

the scientific community doesn't fully understand physical evolution, and human cultural/social evolution is far behind that.

Axiom.

the initial topic is purely speculative and i've seen no research or even anecdotal evidence here that it's a phenomenon experienced primarily by women.

I simply asked, in this forum, because I've seen it moreso in women than men. As I said in the previous post it's very possible and there are quite a few factors that could contribute. It's just my experience having been around people for a majority of my life that men don't remember as well as women when it comes to aesthetics due to factors, which I would assume uses, brain structure and sensitivity etc.

people around here tend to base a lot of arguments on genetics and evolution regardless of whether they have any real understanding of it. maybe i should post this in the pet peeve thread. :rolleyes:

Unfortunately using neurological sciences and what evidence we do have, rather than empty "IT COULD BE" logic I'd suggest you try something else. Unless of course you've an answer or the power to suggest otherwise rather than ranting on how it COULD BE different from what I posit.

I'll gladly hear something besides your empty Arguements of Potential.

Now that's one of my pet peeves; people who pretend to actually be doing something and use verbosity to make no headway and look pretty.
 

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I really disagree. Biologically thousands of years ago back to the Neanderthal age maybe but I don't think males have been breeding this way for centuries.

Well, that's the point. Which I stated later on in this post; current human civilzation doesn't operate in this way, which would be the "Instinctual manner".

We aren't biologically built to be cock sluts till we get pregnant.

Under instinct, excluding special cases ( non-correlating sexuality or being barren for instance ) both sexes are built to copulate. "Slut" is a term which is "new" and shouldn't be used as far as this debate goes, or at least from this singular vantage point. There are no sluts when it comes to instincts because being a "slut" requires one to have an idea of purity. You're mixing the two in the wrong way.

Besides we wouldn't be able to tell from the sex who the father was.. that is ludicrous.

Not quite. Lets say that a female has sex with three men within X months time and begins having signs of pregnancy. If only three men ( I don't think the average sex partner numerals go into the fifties ) then the imprint would help identify the possible father. You know "Maury"? Where they have the paternity tests? Those women remember their partners. Who knows if the partners remembered them however? Not to say that there is no ability to recollect on the male part, but it might require some jostling to get the correct partner.

I also think that saying women falling in love easier than men is a stereotype.

Neurology suggests otherwise. Women are naturally more emotional, but I will say this as far as the stereotype: Women are not likely to fall head over heels for a guy, that is become dedicated to the point of death, without time. I would just suggest that most women will love their mates longer, more deeply, and probably first; outside of actual "declaration" the sex which shows love first is often the female sex in my opinion.

We get emotional after having a kid because there are so many hormones going through us.

Actually generally women are more emotional. It's part of being right brained.

And that baby shared everything with us for 9 months.

Yes, but... I'm not suggesting anything about Post Partum Depression or the sort.

think I'll go more with the.. you might be wrong. Because none of this makes any sense really.

Actually it does, as it's been posited by various sources I've read in the libraries I've gone to throughout America. That and you took an interesting twist on the information making it seem full of holes by mixing "today" with "yesterday" in an inappropriate manner.

Still, if you do believe it's "wrong" that's fine! I accept that, but I would like to hear another theory; so if it's wrong do offer your input and "correct" me.
 

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I think I can recall things from the past so well because of the emotional attachment. There is one man in particular whose kiss I can recall like it was just a minute ago, and just thinking about him brings those feelings out...maybe I never forgot how he made me feel because I have never been able to forget him. I can still feel his touch, I can still smell him, hear his voice, his laugh, see his smile, his eyes, feel his hair, his shoulders...everything. For me, those feelings are just as raw today. I find it very interesting though that while I am able to recall everything about this man, I was able to block out very painful things about my rape. When I started dealing with what had happened to me, bits and pieces came back...some a little bit at a time and some just came on like a flood leaving me horribly depressed and feeling such despair. I think the mind is amazing how it adapts, how it sorts and files memories and information. I think emotion is the key to how we remember.
 

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and use verbosity to make no headway and look pretty.

You were referring to yourself and not me when you said the above, right? (see below)

Well, that's the point. Which I stated later on in this post; current human civilzation doesn't operate in this way, which would be the "Instinctual manner".
Under instinct, excluding special cases ( non-correlating sexuality or being barren for instance ) both sexes are built to copulate. "Slut" is a term which is "new" and shouldn't be used as far as this debate goes, or at least from this singular vantage point. There are no sluts when it comes to instincts because being a "slut" requires one to have an idea of purity. You're mixing the two in the wrong way.
Not quite. Lets say that a female has sex with three men within X months time and begins having signs of pregnancy. If only three men ( I don't think the average sex partner numerals go into the fifties ) then the imprint would help identify the possible father. You know "Maury"? Where they have the paternity tests? Those women remember their partners. Who knows if the partners remembered them however? Not to say that there is no ability to recollect on the male part, but it might require some jostling to get the correct partner.
Neurology suggests otherwise. Women are naturally more emotional, but I will say this as far as the stereotype: Women are not likely to fall head over heels for a guy, that is become dedicated to the point of death, without time. I would just suggest that most women will love their mates longer, more deeply, and probably first; outside of actual "declaration" the sex which shows love first is often the female sex in my opinion.
Actually generally women are more emotional. It's part of being right brained.
Yes, but... I'm not suggesting anything about Post Partum Depression or the sort.
Actually it does, as it's been posited by various sources I've read in the libraries I've gone to throughout America. That and you took an interesting twist on the information making it seem full of holes by mixing "today" with "yesterday" in an inappropriate manner.
Still, if you do believe it's "wrong" that's fine! I accept that, but I would like to hear another theory; so if it's wrong do offer your input and "correct" me.
 

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I can remember all of my partners. Some more vividly than others. But I still have very distinct memories from some of my first sexual experiences a long long time ago.

Can you remember the partners you had stronger affinity to better than you had better orgasms with? I would think that you'd remember partners better at sex first, unless a deep link was created with a certain person which I guess I should attempt to exclude. So now to represent the question:

When you remember the partners you had do you remember them based on the strength of your orgasms, physical intimacy, and any other physical trait which would aid your carnal self's satisfaction or do you remember partners based on mental intimacy, the strength of the bond, or another intangable trait which would satisfy your self's needs?

When answering attempt to cut your longest relations ( unless they were all long ) and ones which occured under outrageous circumstances ( which would be something along the lines of "Wild Sex in a Train with whomever sleeping right beside us" ). Please and thank you in advance. ^_^;
 

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It all depends on the relationship. There's nothing uniform about any of my memories. Of course... the experiences that were most novel do tend to stand out in my mind a bit more. For whatever reason I think our brains are wired that way. When the event itself is happening you're probably thinking "hey! this is new!", your brain takes notice and the image or memory is burned deeper.
 

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You were referring to yourself and not me when you said the above, right? (see below)

Let us consider two sentences, in response to a paragraph, verbose? Oh my. I suppose there is no difference between explaining your point and just Arguing Potential by saying "It could be!" followed by "I don't know, but no one does!".

I should've figured all informational books were just rabid verbosity. I guess we shouldn't teach children out of textbooks anymore; paper leaflets, which aren't verbose, are the way to go.

Regardless do you have a theory you wish to share?
 

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It all depends on the relationship. There's nothing uniform about any of my memories. Of course... the experiences that were most novel do tend to stand out in my mind a bit more. For whatever reason I think our brains are wired that way. When the event itself is happening you're probably thinking "hey! this is new!", your brain takes notice and the image or memory is burned deeper.

Well that is how we learn, adapt, and grow. That's why I had to ask you to attempt to cut the longest / most outrageous. The most outrageous would stand out greatly, and the longest have the deepest running emotions which of course amplifies it's recollection.

I digress to my point; it would appear that I may be wrong about the relationship recollection capabilities. Now then one more definitive question, because it meets the criteria in my original post:

Do you react physically ( arousal ) to the memories alone?
 

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I remember all of mine, but I also had some connection with my sex partners.
WOW! You remember details of over 1328 women!?! That is impressive. Do you have a photographic memory?


people around here tend to base a lot of arguments on genetics and evolution regardless of whether they have any real understanding of it. :rolleyes:

I really disagree. Biologically thousands of years ago back to the Neanderthal age maybe but I don't think males have been breeding this way for centuries. Agreed
We aren't biologically built to be cock sluts till we get pregnant. ROTFLMAO!:biggrin1: Besides we wouldn't be able to tell from the sex who the father was.. that is ludicrous. I also think that saying women falling in love easier than men is a stereotype. True, I have a gay friend who falls in love faster and harder than a high school girl. We get emotional after having a kid because there are so many hormones going through us. And that baby shared everything with us for 9 months. True.

I think I'll go more with the.. you might be wrong. Because none of this makes any sense really.
LMAO :biggrin1:

Women generally do not have that "one night stand" mindset, even when they are having a one night stand. They generally have to have more than just a big cock to get them aroused. I know I do! he has to turn on my mind first and my body may or may not follow. :biggrin1:And their memory pathways are wired somewhat differently than men (as in, when giving driving directions, most women do the "landmark" thing, as in "drive past the Fairoaks Mall, then turn right just past the International Country Club entrance"; men, on the other hand, generally say "going west on Rt 50, go about 1.5 miles, turn right on Stringfellow Rd, then right on Rt 7100.") OMG! That is so true! I hate when men tell me to go east on 20 for 8 miles or worse if you get a military guy 8 clicks.:confused:
But men, with their tendency toward emotional involvement in whatever football game happens to be on TV, can remember every play - while his girlfriend remembers that there was a game on, and maybe remembers that there was a cute guy in the stands near the 50 yard line. My ex-bf could remember the entire starting line up of the 1969 NY Mets; but couldn't remember my birthday to save his life. :mad:

True enough, love. There are exceptions to almost every rule, but really, women do tend to have better detail recall for sexual experiences. Funny thing, too, there's a little truth to the old TV stereotype of the woman getting mad at her husband on their 20th wedding anniversary, because he can't remember the dress she wore on their first date.

So women can remember partners from years ago with amazing clarity right and even physically react to the thoughts. I don't know why that is, but it astounds me, and since this would be the place to ask. I wish for you to sate my curiousity. Which part is amazing to you? The fact that we can remember details about a sexual experience from 10 years ago or the fact that if we allow ourselves to we may even become moist and our nipples become erect with that memory?
I'm naive though, so I'd appreciate it if you didn't use sarcasm. _-_'' I'm sorry I can't help that. I don't mean to be mean but I am naturally sarcastic. I'm from New Jersey, sarcasm kinda goes with the territory. :biggrin1::redface: But seriously, how can women remember, rank, and describe (with little variation from the truth ) their partners, male or female, and how good at sex, kissing, or even just touching them?
Well I think it's natural to remember good things and to some extent bad things. When something sex, a meal, a play, or a party is really good you want to remember it. It's as if your mind savors each moment. Without even realizing it, it becomes part of your longterm memory. The same thing goes for bad sex or bad boyfriends. You remember them because you never want to make that mistake again. :tongue:
 

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I think I can recall things from the past so well because of the emotional attachment. There is one man in particular whose kiss I can recall like it was just a minute ago, and just thinking about him brings those feelings out...maybe I never forgot how he made me feel because I have never been able to forget him. I can still feel his touch, I can still smell him, hear his voice, his laugh, see his smile, his eyes, feel his hair, his shoulders...everything. For me, those feelings are just as raw today. I find it very interesting though that while I am able to recall everything about this man, I was able to block out very painful things about my rape. When I started dealing with what had happened to me, bits and pieces came back...some a little bit at a time and some just came on like a flood leaving me horribly depressed and feeling such despair. I think the mind is amazing how it adapts, how it sorts and files memories and information. I think emotion is the key to how we remember.

Sexual Assault is considered "Trauma" and in most cases people block out Trauma, so don't be surprised that you did because it's a Natural Defense Mechanism since after you life through trauma, whatever it may be, you still have to cope. I do hope you the best with that, seeing as I know a friend who suffered the terrible sexual abuse of her maternal guardian.

Also, whilst I cannot tell you why you remember this man in particular so well it would be a question of various happenstances ( how long you were with him, who he was in particular, your compatability, how secure you felt, timeline, etc. ) all compiled together to explain it. Still, it seems your sensory capabilities are higher than most males; I did word my OP wrong.

Women can react to memories of their partners, and while men might remember I don't recall an overwhelming amount who can react, without any other stimulation, to the memories.

I would love to be wrong though.
 

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I remember very little but perhaps that's because I've never truly loved anyone I've had sex with.

Actually I believe men fall in love faster than women:

Men fall in love faster than women do. Women take longer because they have to create a &#8220;memory trail&#8221; of their mate&#8217;s behaviors. She has to remember what he promised, what he&#8217;s done for the partnership, and what he failed to do.
 

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Well I think it's natural to remember good things and to some extent bad things. When something sex, a meal, a play, or a party is really good you want to remember it. It's as if your mind savors each moment. Without even realizing it, it becomes part of your longterm memory. The same thing goes for bad sex or bad boyfriends. You remember them because you never want to make that mistake again. :tongue:

Due to not understanding this particular quote system I can attempt to respond adequately.

1. Both parts amaze me actually, but moreso the sexual response to thought without other stimulation, which is basically the emulation of an experience from the past strong enough to bring about said effects.

2. I'll believe you on your NJ comment. No particular reason; I just don't want to argue.

3. The idea behind this is to test whether females are more aesthetic / experience based in their memories ( which it seems so seeing as you named off all "experiences" whether pleasureable or not and no "ideas, philosophies, etc." which can also bring intellectual pleasure ) meaning they use their bodies more intuitively to remember and imprint things than males.

Of course home projects aren't worth much, but it passes the time and doesn't do anyone harm.
 

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I think pleasurabe moments are captured permently in your memory. Sex and good Sex will be something you can easily remember.

I can remember sexual things that I did years ago, that did not even envolve a partner.
I remember seeing up my friends aunts skirt when I was 12 in vivid detail.
The smell of this girls perfume in High School, that I liked.
Walking in on my friends sister nude by accident.


Some memories stick with you for a long time.
 

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I remember very little but perhaps that's because I've never truly loved anyone I've had sex with.

Actually I believe men fall in love faster than women:

While possible I question whether this has to do with infatuation and not love. Men are easily captivated, that to which there is no confusion. Still, I don't have any sources on hand ( they are all physical books ) and thus until I can provide evidence otherwise we'll assume your Appeal to Authority to be valid.

So as of now men "love" women first.