Women Over Three Years Old Not Allowed in Men's Locker Room

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  1. mattyacht

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    I used to be a member at Prairie Life Center in Kansas. They are a full service gym with towel service and a snack bar. You name it, they have it. They cater to families with activities for children during the summer etc...In spite of a nursury and a family changing area, there is a sign upon entering the men's locker room that states, "Women Over Three Years of Age Not Allowed in Men's Locker Room". First of all, how many three year old women do you know? They are little children without a voice or a choice. When I first saw the sign, I shrugged it off thinking, "Who in their right mind?" Then one day, I was toweling off and I noticed a little girl, tall enough to get her own drink of water, came running throught the locker room to quench her thirst, while some nasty hairy old troll rounded the corner totally nude. If that girl spent the night at a neighbor's and came home telling her mom she saw here friend's father nude it would be a whole different story and it shouldn't be. I find this to be a blatant compromise with decency and highly inappropriate. I'm sure the person that came up with that accomodation is a proud Republican. House husband's think about the predicament you are putting yourself and fellow gym mates in!!!
     
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    No members of the opposite sex in either locker room. Ever. Use the family changing rooms.
     
  3. whatireallywant

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    I was thinking about that "How many three-year-old women do you know?" :biggrin1: That's how my mind worked when I saw the title to this thread too.

    But yeah, I think it's best to use family changing rooms in this case.
     
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    It's a bit more open at family nudist parks. Try one. Most naturist parks require men to bring a female with them but normally don't have the same restriction for females.

    All ages, of course, visit and/or live in the parks.
     
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    There was no such thing as a family changing room when I was a kid. They seem to be an invention of the last 10-15 years.
     
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    Agreed. Do all gyms/fitness centers have these family changing rooms now? I tend to avoid those places so I have no idea.
     
  7. snoozan

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    i honestly don't see the big deal-- especially with toddlers. i take my son (2 1/2) into the locker room all the time and most mothers do the exact same thing. i think fathers should have the same luxury. a lot of times family changing rooms are very small and lack the amenities of the normal locker room. there are also never enough of them for the amount of people who need to use them-- in general each family changing room is for one family, and most places have only 1 or 2. also, under three, they are kind of oblivious to things like big naked trolls anyway. they just want to get to the pool.

    there's a difference between nudity and sexuality which i hope to teach my children as they grow up. if there's a problem with sex or kids being exposed to sexuality (versus simple nudity) in the locker room, the offenders are not the parents with children.
     
  8. frizzle

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    I don't think it's about nudity, I think it's about sexuality Snoozan. You can't trust some people.
     
  9. IntoxicatingToxin

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    I can understand why they created this rule. I mean... if I were completely naked in the womens locker room and a three year old little boy walked in, I'd be wrapping something around me immediately. I wouldn't feel comfortable at ALL! The only little person that has ever seen me naked is my own son.

    But on the flip side, if the parent is bringing their child into the locker room in the first place, then they must not mind the nudity - surely they are aware that it's going to happen eventually.
     
  10. Freddie53

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    I agree. We in America have totally put all nudity as actively engaged sexual encounters.

    I would have worded the sign differently. No girls over three years old allowed. Children under the age of six much be accompanied by an adult in charge.

    This kind of thinking is totally screwed up. What do some of you people want? A child of age 12 who have never seen anyone of the opposite gender? Just how are parents going to explain the differences, especially single parents?

    The time to teach some thinigs is at an age when there is total innocence. A girl who has not yet turned three is not going to be able to put faces with dicks 10 years later. In that girl ten years from now will be a vague recollection of what an adult penis looks like. But rarely will a girl remember the exact time she saw one. It just will be something in her mind she knows.

    Also, the interpretation of the age three is very important. I take it to mean girls who have not turned three, not girls whose fourth birthday is tomorrow.

    What a four year old will remember and what a two year old even if birthday is this week is very different.

    We are going to create a nightmare in our country over sexualized everything. Teaching little children that puberty will make them evil is horrible and that is what is happening in many cases.

    As for the older gentlemen who is parading around in the nude, he isn't going to give a rat's ass about it. Modest men will, but they aren't going to be walking around in the locker room nude either.

    My father never talked about penis sizes. But when I was growing up we used the dressing rooms. In those days, you were considered weird if you tried to cover up as in you might be gay and are hiding an erection.

    So I saw guys of all ages including teens. I was fully aware of what happens in sexual development. Nothing had to be said. Nothing had to be discussed.

    Here is one result that is happening, young people as soon as they can figure it out, are going to go to the free porn sites that all you have to do is say your are 18, not prove it.

    And guys will see guys with seven inch erections and these will be the smallest ones. Then those guys will see the big ones that regardless of real size will appear 10 inches long. That will make two/thirds of young boys think that they have small dicks when in reality they may be bigger than average.

    Again, for goodness sake, remember how young a toddler is who has not yet had his third birthday.
     
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    This subject came up last night in the chat room, I was relaxed about nudity with my kids, I didn't want them to grow up thinking that the human body was dirty or something to be ashamed of and a few of the members were of the opinion that parents and kids shouldn't be naked together. As Snoozan said there's a difference between nudity and sexuality, there's nothing nicer than bathing with your toddlers, if your smallish kids are used to seeing you naked in a non prurient way I feel they're less likely to develop body issues - if nudity isn't made an issue of they feel much more comfortable with their own bodies and a number of questions that kids who hadn't seen naked bodies might ask never pop up. I'd read articles on 'healthy nudity' and all the articles said when the kids started wanting privacy they'd let you know and this did indeed happen, when my kids hit a certain age (puberty) they'd simply start locking the bathroom door, and if I knocked on their bedroom doors and they weren't dressed they'd say 'hang on'. That was a sign for me that they didn't want me to be so relaxed about nudity, so I started being a little less relaxed about it but I didn't go into a screaming fit of the heeby jeebies if they saw me naked, I just stopped things like going for a pee in the middle of the night naked. Now they're grown up and they're healthily relaxed about it, they don't flaunt their nudity but if one of us catches another in a state of undress it's just a cool 'oh sorry' instead of blushing, screeching and mortification.

    On the locker room question it's ridiculous to say three year olds shouldn't be in a male locker room (but then again I don't know what goes on in a male locker room). If a male locker room is full of guys pulling their plonker at the sight of another guy then no, if it's just a place where guys get changed it doesn't do small kids any harm to see naked bodies. If there's a family room then in consideration for other members the dad should probably take the child in there, if there isn't a family room a three year old is far too young to be directed to the women's room unaccompanied. There has to be some cut off point where kids of one sex aren't allowed into the changing room of the opposite sex but I think it should be around seven or so.
     
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    My gym/health club does not have family changing rooms so I have some sympathy with dads taking their kids swimming with them, but I don't feel comfortable coming out of the shower to see an 8 year old girl staring at my cock.
     
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    My gym/health club does not have family changing rooms so I have some sympathy with dads taking their kids swimming with them, but I don't feel comfortable coming out of the shower to see an 8 year old girl staring at my cock.
     
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    I agree with you about an eight year old. That is too old to be in the men's locker room where there male teacher at school might be in there in the nude or any adult male that she might know.

    Surely an eight year old can get dressed by herself.

    I suggested age three as the cut of. I would agree to a higher age such as five if the locker room was arranged so that if a man really wanted privacy from anyone, it was possible to have.

    And I would want a privacy area of some kind for the girl so that she is not seen in the nude by the men.

    An example of this is the showers. I would definitely have a problem with an eight year old girl in the nude taking a shower in the communal showers with zero privacy.

    And I feel the same way about the womens locker room.

    Does anyone else see the problem of allowing small children into the ladies dressing room, but not the men's.

    Right there is a bad teaching moment. The innocent four year old son who is told he can not go with daddy to get dressed, but he can go with mother. The four year old has his first lesson on sexuality and it is that all men are sexual predators but thanks be to God, women never are.

    Why not have all males until they are 18 shower with the women? The seventeen year old hot guy gets to shower with the hottest girl in high school and both are in the nude with mommies there to protect them. Daddies of couse can't. All Daddies are predators.

    In a word, it really pissed me off when the inflection was given that somehow toddlers of both genders were allowed in the women's dressing room, but toddlers of either gender are forbidden to enter the men's dressing room. Do you not realize what is being taught to those children?

    I tend to be modest. I have used the dressing rooms. I have never yet had an encounter where either me or the other guy acknowledge that one or both were nude. I have rarely been totally nude in front of any of the guys except for maybe a fleeting moment when the swim suit comes of or right before the underwear is put on.
     
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    Oh, who cares? They're kids and they aren't there to peek. They're there to change with Daddy or Mommy who should be supervising them. I think of all the single parents these days who have children of the opposite sex. What should they do when they go to a pool or a beach? Should they let their 5 year old go alone into the locker room designated for his/her sex without supervision? Or should the parent bring the child into his/her own sexed locker room and supervise them properly while they change?

    Seeing adults of the opposite sex in and of itself does not damage children. In fact if everyone acts that it is no big deal, which nudity is no big deal, then the child will learn that an unclothed human body is not anything weird or fear provoking.

    I think that our modern Puritanical society needs to get over itself.
     
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    You just can't let your kid go into a changing room these days the world's full of nutjobs and what Simcha said.
     
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