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You got angry at me for posting data because it didn't fit your version of the story despite the fact that I agreed with your position on grounds that had proper evidence for them. You viewed the issue as a struggle between two binary sides, a good and evil, I viewed it as people coming to an understanding. I fail to see how my interpretation is unreasonable.

I used the example to show that you don't need to become someone's opponent in order to change their minds, and that a less aggressive way of talking with people can be used with better results. I suppose you've proven me wrong, though.

No, I didn't and for someone who claims to have been the one trying to understand, you failed to comprehend what I told you in my very first PM to you.

Regardless, your version of events offended me and I think what you did by making me the villain in your story was something that would make most people mad, especially since your version of events doesn't fit with my version of events. I was deeply offended by what you wrote about me. If you don't want to own up to that or admit that you did something offensive, that's fine.

I suppose that proves how often you act like a pratt.

Back to the subject at hand, you're telling MR what she thinks. Her personal anecdote illustrated her beliefs and wasn't intended as a scientific retort.
 

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Then read the abstract. The results are pretty crystal clear:


TL;DR social status matters more than intelligence for frequency of sex, with high intelligence being a net detriment.


Ok, so this proves what point?
Which point does this disprove that I've made so far?

Men and women do not share equal burdens when it comes to child bearing and child rearing, so trying to compare what educated women on the whole are doing to what educated men on the whole are doing when it comes to how many children (if any) they are having is really just WAY off point.

All the education in the world doesn't make a decent man an asshole in bed if he doesn't want to be. All the lack of education doesn't make some guy an asshole in bed no matter how hard he tries. Get it Broham?
 

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No, I didn't and for someone who claims to have been the one trying to understand, you failed to comprehend what I told you in my very first PM to you.

Regardless, your version of events offended me and I think what you did by making me the villain in your story was something that would make most people mad, especially since your version of events doesn't fit with my version of events. I was deeply offended by what you wrote about me. If you don't want to own up to that or admit that you did something offensive, that's fine.

I suppose that proves how often you act like a pratt.
You weren't a villain. You were someone who I came to a mutual understanding with.

If anything, it was one of my best experiences at this site.

But as much as I'd like to reminisce about how much I think you're a delightful person (and I do), this is not the thread in which to do it.
 

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Ok, so this proves what point?
Which point does this disprove that I've made so far?

Men and women do not share equal burdens when it comes to child bearing and child rearing, so trying to compare what educated women on the whole are doing to what educated men on the whole are doing when it comes to how many children (if any) they are having is really just WAY off point.

All the education in the world doesn't make a decent man an asshole in bed if he doesn't want to be. All the lack of education doesn't make some guy an asshole in bed no matter how hard he tries. Get it Broham?

Education is not the same thing as intelligence. Read the rest of the abstract.

The reply was made directly to your statement that people who remain witty while horny are selected for. Evidence would suggest the opposite.
 

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You see, I don't equate intelligence with education. So unless that article has something to do with how education does not reflect intelligence in the least, I'm not reading it. I have about 5 irons in the proverbial fire.

Intelligence will win out as our species does not require doggy style fucking next to a cave to be able to survive. I study psychology and I also collect artifacts, which require a great deal of understanding primitive culture.

When a guy acts primitive sexually without any intelligent conversational skills to back it up (note here, not long words that sound smart), it can be hot but most of the time it fails to deliver what an INTELLIGENT (not educated) women is looking for. It only tickles the fancy for so long. How is this so hard to understand?
 

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You weren't a villain. You were someone who I came to a mutual understanding with.

If anything, it was one of my best experiences at this site.

But as much as I'd like to reminisce about how much I think you're a delightful person (and I do), this is not the thread in which to do it.

Well that was very sweet and I'm sorry that I'm not being more delightful now. I also appreciate the fact that you were willing to discuss the matter with me and come to an understanding.

I really did feel hurt when I read what you wrote about me. I didn't feel like it sounded the way you just now made it sound when I read your version of events.

I did not agree with you that you were the only one in the story who was struggling to be the one to understand the other person's point of view and I wasn't. I feel like I was doing the exact same thing you were. I'm sorry if that's not what you feel like happened, but when I read that you thought I was "railing" against you for days and that you were "understanding" and I wasn't, I got mad. Really mad. I don't believe that sounds like me at all. I don't believe that's how other people would describe me.

That was very nice what you said about it being one of your best experiences on this site.

I don't want to fight with you. I don't have the stamina to stay mad and now I'm not any more. I accept that you didn't intend to make me sound like the villain of the story. Knowing that makes me feel a lot better.

Can we be friends now?
 

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You see, I don't equate intelligence with education. So unless that article has something to do with how education does not reflect intelligence in the least, I'm not reading it. I have about 5 irons in the proverbial fire.

Intelligence will win out as our species does not require doggy style fucking next to a cave to be able to survive. I study psychology and I also collect artifacts, which require a great deal of understanding primitive culture.

When a guy acts primitive sexually without any intelligent conversational skills to back it up (note here, not long words that sound smart), it can be hot but most of the time it fails to deliver what an INTELLIGENT (not educated) women is looking for. It only tickles the fancy for so long. How is this so hard to understand?
Sadly the evidence points towards the opposite. The only thing which matters from a genetic point of view is the ability to screw in doggy style and pass on genes.

As well designed as your ideal must be, unless it can replicate itself, it will be outcompeted by other systems.

If, however, you do study psychology, I'd suggest reading up on the area, because there is a LOT of interesting data which goes against what our private ideologies tell us. I consider it pretty fun! I hope you enjoy it too.
 

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And then you guys wonder why no one is humping your leg around here.

There is no evidence for the g-spot, yet I'm swimming in it all the time. Weird.

There is no evidence according to religious people that there is no intelligent design, yet there is plenty of evidence. It just depends on the stance that you have on the argument that makes you bias to one degree or the other.

Take it or leave it. The proof is how women turn after being here for a while and around horny men in general. Interview women who have been dancing in clubs for a while, doing porn or even hanging around sex sites. It takes a negative toll on them, why? Because there are many dudes who are INCAPABLE of being charming.

Charm takes intelligence. An intelligent man is needed to peak the interest of an intelligent woman. Period.

The proof is in how you guys are being treated as a whole around here. It seems to be an issue all the time in my experience here how guys get all up in arms if they are not catered to sexually because this is a sex site to them. While things are allowed to be sexual to a great degree here, it's also an informative and educational website which is how some of us actually found the place. So we continue to strive to offer information and education to those who might be here looking for that.

On top of all that, I still offer some red light district material because I still have a sex drive and want to be seen as sexual to a visual degree. You are lucky for it too. Because I'm totally HAWT.

Go ahead and say "there is no evidence for this"

The evidence will manifest itself if you look at how women change after being in the presence of horny men all the time. We lose respect for you guys. Not every one of you, just a majority of you. Ever talked to strippers in various places around the world? I have. Ever talked to women who have done professional porn? I have. Ever take notice to the sexual orientation percentages on the females that join and then evaluate them again later?

Call it a learning on the job experience. Go ahead and pick apart my every word, you are just making yourself look silly. Not because I don't agree with you, but because you refuse to take notice to the problem that hinders your gender around here. It makes it where you have nothing to hold on to when you aren't successful at getting female attention when you want it.

It's easier to blame the lack of evidence for my theory than to blame what you guys might be doing individually to be getting the cold shoulder. I'm just trying to help you out while venting my frustrations. But don't think for a minute I cared about your situations before my own. Helping you out is just a side effect of how we are breaking down the problem into bite sized pieces.
 

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Just hanging around the site would be fine.

But jumping on thread after thread, expounding the negative views about men, over and over again? That's not really fine. How can that be construed as being supportive of the larger penis?
Um, please show me a thread where women expound negative views about "men". Maybe you're extrapolating people's negative opinion of you to mean that they "hate men". I'm proud to say that you don't represent "men", especially not this one.

Your head is just not screwed on right, mister.
 

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When I joined there was no friend or wall section, so imagine all the dumb shit people randomly post on walls as an endless stream of PMs - "wanna c2c," "what's your name, "my penis big enough for you," "do you like ___," "rate my pics" (thank you, Rob, for removing that option!), "I read you enjoy ____, can we do it?!?!???" I hit bitchy territory pretty quickly, but still kind of nice, hehe.

Overall, I like to think I still approach the site with lightheartedness. However, because I am now aware there are dangerous and demented people lurking about, I am not as open with meeting people or giving personal info (even chat ID) as I was early on. To me, this is sad because I met/know so many wonderful people from LPSG, but necessary.

Definitely have noticed more women with percentages heading towards the lady love side and this development I warmly welcome--more people to flirt with = always a good thing. :dance:

My perception of men has really changed, and not in a negative manner. I am grateful for the glimpse into the inner life of men folk and now understand there's a lot of complexity and insecurity where previously I was blind to it.
 

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L_egit, have you any children? I'm asking because I'm really kind of shocked that anyone would think that education has anything to do with intelligence. I have a special needs child who has shown high intelligence since birth before she was ever formally educated.

Did I mention anything in my original thread about how uneducated these horny men seemed? Maybe you got that impression but in my experience with those who have learning disabilities, intelligence may not be absent at all if they are unable to make good grades.

I really am still sitting here dizzy from how words are picked apart so the general issue of what is going on can continue to be ignored.
 

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Hmmmm... my first post was about Hayden Christensen. Then I was so embarrassed by myself I left for a few years! When I came back it was with a goal, of actually being Supportive. But I also managed to have quite a bit of fun!
 
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There's always one asshole...haha

You don't really need to be that smart to understand this thread
 

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I don't think we ever stopped being friends in the first place. No need to get ruffled up about a misunderstanding.

It's really big of you to say such nice things during an argument. That really lessened my feeling that you had misrepresented what had happened between us. That you responded to me with such generosity speaks volumes about your character, too. I'm proud that you call me a friend.
 

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And then you guys wonder why no one is humping your leg around here.

There is no evidence for the g-spot, yet I'm swimming in it all the time. Weird.

There is no evidence according to religious people that there is no intelligent design, yet there is plenty of evidence. It just depends on the stance that you have on the argument that makes you bias to one degree or the other.

Take it or leave it. The proof is how women turn after being here for a while and around horny men in general. Interview women who have been dancing in clubs for a while, doing porn or even hanging around sex sites. It takes a negative toll on them, why? Because there are many dudes who are INCAPABLE of being charming.

Charm takes intelligence. An intelligent man is needed to peak the interest of an intelligent woman. Period.

The proof is in how you guys are being treated as a whole around here. It seems to be an issue all the time in my experience here how guys get all up in arms if they are not catered to sexually because this is a sex site to them. While things are allowed to be sexual to a great degree here, it's also an informative and educational website which is how some of us actually found the place. So we continue to strive to offer information and education to those who might be here looking for that.

On top of all that, I still offer some red light district material because I still have a sex drive and want to be seen as sexual to a visual degree. You are lucky for it too. Because I'm totally HAWT.

Go ahead and say "there is no evidence for this"

The evidence will manifest itself if you look at how women change after being in the presence of horny men all the time. We lose respect for you guys. Not every one of you, just a majority of you. Ever talked to strippers in various places around the world? I have. Ever talked to women who have done professional porn? I have. Ever take notice to the sexual orientation percentages on the females that join and then evaluate them again later?

Call it a learning on the job experience. Go ahead and pick apart my every word, you are just making yourself look silly. Not because I don't agree with you, but because you refuse to take notice to the problem that hinders your gender around here. It makes it where you have nothing to hold on to when you aren't successful at getting female attention when you want it.

It's easier to blame the lack of evidence for my theory than to blame what you guys might be doing individually to be getting the cold shoulder. I'm just trying to help you out while venting my frustrations. But don't think for a minute I cared about your situations before my own. Helping you out is just a side effect of how we are breaking down the problem into bite sized pieces.
We can get into a very lengthy discussion about the epistemology of knowledge and what evidence constitutes itself as more valid than others. Ancedotes are fantastic for illustrating points, but they do not supercede statistical evidence when it comes to making blanket statements. I might stub my toe and reason that all furniture is evil and designed to ruin my feet based off of a history of toe stubbing, but that wouldn't' mean that my opinion is validated.

This is doubly important when making a claim about a group of individuals. I might live in an area in which crimes are predominantly committeed by black people, but that might simply be that the vast majority of people who are poor in my area are black, and that the economic standing of a person, rather than their race, is the prime mover in the system.

In one understanding race is the cause of the problem. In the other their poverty is the problem. The response which comes out of these different understandings of the causal relations between variables is incredibly different. One calls for aggression against the community until it stops acting the way it does, the other calls for redistributive justice.

I do, however, understand that there is a huge gulf in knowledge between the sexes insofar as their understandings of the evaluation mechanisms which they use to find partners (And there's an additional layer of complexity with the addition of Queer thought and pansexualism on top of that!). And on that point, you are very well taken; men on this site and on others seem to be incredibly clueless about the nature of interaction with the opposite sex for a number of reason. My qualm isn't with that point. Its with the method of delivery which uses morally charged language to shame people and call them derogatory things based upon their sex.

There is a LOT of stuff on this board which is downright hyper-disrespectful coming from all different sources. My point is that the reaction to that sort of disrespect should not be disrespect in turn, as that defeats the purpose and propagates a cycle of cynicism and conflict.

L_egit, have you any children? I'm asking because I'm really kind of shocked that anyone would think that education has anything to do with intelligence. I have a special needs child who has shown high intelligence since birth before she was ever formally educated.

Did I mention anything in my original thread about how uneducated these horny men seemed? Maybe you got that impression but in my experience with those who have learning disabilities, intelligence may not be absent at all if they are unable to make good grades.

I mentioned education because it is listed within the abstract in the opposite terms as intelligence with respect to sexual success. My source agrees with your assessment, as do I. You can look up the Hikikomori phenomenon in Japan to see how an entire generation of brilliant children are recusing themselves from society because they are too intelligent to properly fit in.

Has nothing to do with my main point, though. Just didn't want the abstract being misinterpreted.
 
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L_egit, my experience with horny men is not science, it's my experience. It's also a shared experience from women who work in the sex industry or voluntarily choose to be a site where sexual content is expressed. If you don't like my method of delivery, I'm still not changing it.

The truth is, regardless of scientific studies to prove my point, is that as our species advances, less and less women are going to cater to and tolerate the disrespect that is often dished out by horny men.

If you want to cyber with a woman have a little respect and regard that there is someone else on the other side of the computer. She might be a mom, she might be a wife, she is someones daughter...someones sister. And while she might be frisky, she is likely going to lose her mind if one more inconsiderate bastard tells her to show her pussy on cam for them while she is talking about how her dog just died that day.

I had that happen here. You'd be amazed at what you experience when males are on the look out to get off. They get silly. My husband and I laugh at it all the time. He's very respectful and intelligent in bed and out of the bed. There are plenty of those guys here just not nearly enough to hold the interest of most of the female members.

I sound mean, I sound crude. Call it fed up and I know other women are feeling the same way. Sure, tell me to leave. But I have a right to be respected on my grounds if people want to play in my yard. And they do. Plenty want to play in the Women's gardens (parden the pun) but they have no idea what the rules are or act like they don't.

I am pretty frank with my discussions. Particularly when I feel the need to speak for more than just myself.
 

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If all this was was a small group of women praising each other in witty ways all day and a few average endowed men kissing their asses and saying how right they are about everything, things would get boring pretty quick.

Everyone needs an enemy.

Admit it, you need us clueless, hyper sexual, cock-headed, not a charming bone in our body, Neanderthals.