Women's Only Please: The Use of Force During Sex

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Petite, you were looking for more female opinion, scroll up and read mine and tell me what your opinion is. I didn't want to get involved in this thread since i didn't read it entirely but when you mentioned only 6 women had answered, i conjured up a response for you.
 

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LOL ok everyone might not agree with me, BUT at this point I bow to the master. Because in MY opinion you know exactly what you are talking about:) Can you write a book and publish it? Just kidding. Thanks for sharing your opinion!:biggrin1:

LOL. Well, its not the first time Ive heard that. Ive been approached for council before from friends.
I laugh. I dont consider myself perfect and to be a "master".
I just pay attention. Thats all.
Its really not hard....despite the myth of understanding women, its not hard.
Thanks though.
 

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There's some debate on the "Do some women actually like to be gagged with a large penis?" thread about the use of force during sex.

I wrote this in that thread. This is what is under dispute:

-If you're incapable of discussing these things beforehand, you aren't mature enough to be doing this with a woman. (talking about using force during sex)

-Even if a woman loves something involving force, you still need to discuss things verbally before you ever do anything involving force in a sexual situation.
My sexual partners know my boundaries (all three, maybe four :08:), and everything else is fair game. I am assertive, and consider force/taking a position of power, on either side, part of sexual play and not an indication that he does not respect me or I cannot trust him.

Indeed, if I did not trust him to begin with, we would not be fucking. If he did not respect me and my boundaries, which are always discussed beforehand, we would not be fucking. If we were not on the same "down for whatever" page, again, we would not be fucking.

But, I would never deny myself the pleasure of submitting to my partner's desires or just going with the flow of the lovemaking. Only fair, as I always want the same level of consent and participation from him - even it means open season on his balls. :biggrin1:

I enjoy blowing him, and if I always do it just my way, he's in heaven. However, I get wet with anticipation when I feel him grab the back of my head as he takes me through a session of throat fucking - talking shit while doing so, +points. There's nothing better than riding his face or grabbing the back of his head and rubbing my pussy all over it. I mean, I have a *huge smile* and look of absolute glee each time. :biggrin1:

The important thing is to have similar expectations of what will occur - even during those slow, sensual baby-making music nights - and the rest should fall into place. Having said that, I am completely capable of issuing an ass whooping should he step over the line.


Having a discussion about precise details about force of thrust, depth of thrust, hair pulling, grip, etc can destroy the mood and are things you likely won't even know until you've actually had sex with a particular partner. These things can also change depending on arousal.

For example I generally hate having my ass slapped during sex but one partner did it and with him I fucking loved it! I wouldn't have experienced that had I eliminated the possibility beforehand.

I think aggression/force is something that should be ramped up gradually during sex or as a familiarity and comfort with your partner grows, all the while paying close attention to your partners responses. If they're enjoying it you can step it up a little more but any sign of discomfort, displeasure or resistance and you should back off immediately. Communication both verbal and non verbal is key during sex moreso than a discussion prior, IMO.

I also don't see how this is something that just women should be discussing about men. This goes both ways. Some men like a finger in their ass while others would consider this violating. Some men really like having their balls tortured that doesn't mean a woman should just start slapping away with a new partner. It's horseshit to be setting rules for men only to follow.

A man I was with has discovered new enjoyment because he let me explore different things with him that intellectually he would have rejected but when in the moment gave him ecstasy. This transpired by gradually ramping up what I was doing and paying attention to how he responded as it progressed. It never would have happened had we sat down with a checklist ahead of time.


Definitely if you find a mismatch of styles or attitudes it should be discussed but I don't think setting absolute do and don't limits prior to sex allows the same opportunity to explore your sexual limits.

Or, you know, what G says, because her posts in this thread pretty much reflect my sensibilities.

P.S. The bolded part is a tragedy! :09:
 
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Well, this thread has a lot of posts, but only six women have given their opinions so far:

Dolfette and Gillette feel that discussing the subjects of your kinks, using force, or sex in general is a turn-off. They only want non-verbal communication about sex and for their partners to read their body language. Dolfette doesn't do anything like that with anyone she isn't very close to already, though.

Me and Embrace69 feel that people should definitely talk about sex, especially kinks or using force during sex. We both feel that maybe you shouldn't actually discuss while in the middle of sex, you should know where your partner stands on everything and be open about talking about all of it, especially if force is under consideration. I'm pro-kink. I feel that sexual partners should make a special effort to try and fulfill one another's kinks and that you can't do that if you don't talk about it.

SubmissiveGirl83 was on the fence in the subject, unsure of how she really feels about it. She would like it if her boyfriend brought up what sort of kinks he likes, but she doesn't do it herself and rarely discusses sex with him. Ideally she likes the idea, but doesn't put it into practice.

Enid likes the fact that her relationship has reached a point where she no longer needs to discuss sex with her boyfriend because they know one another so well now, but she did not discuss how they reached that point from the beginning of her relationship, through talking about sex, or arriving at it through non-verbal discussion only or how she feels that couples should go about getting to that point in their relationships.

Ladies please correct me if you feel that I've misrepresented your positions. That isn't my intention and if I have I apologize and humbly kiss your feet. Just tell me I'm a dolt and correct me! :redface:

I like to be open about what I want with the goal of ensuring that both our needs are met. It is not an easy process for me personally, and the comfort level I have has really reflected the trust I have in my partner. I also think it has become easier as I have gotten older, to ask the questions that will initiate a conversation.
 
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Well, this thread has a lot of posts, but only six women have given their opinions so far:

Dolfette and Gillette feel that discussing the subjects of your kinks, using force, or sex in general is a turn-off. They only want non-verbal communication about sex and for their partners to read their body language. Dolfette doesn't do anything like that with anyone she isn't very close to already, though.

Me and Embrace69 feel that people should definitely talk about sex, especially kinks or using force during sex. We both feel that maybe you shouldn't actually discuss while in the middle of sex, you should know where your partner stands on everything and be open about talking about all of it, especially if force is under consideration. I'm pro-kink. I feel that sexual partners should make a special effort to try and fulfill one another's kinks and that you can't do that if you don't talk about it.

SubmissiveGirl83 was on the fence in the subject, unsure of how she really feels about it. She would like it if her boyfriend brought up what sort of kinks he likes, but she doesn't do it herself and rarely discusses sex with him. Ideally she likes the idea, but doesn't put it into practice.

Enid likes the fact that her relationship has reached a point where she no longer needs to discuss sex with her boyfriend because they know one another so well now, but she did not discuss how they reached that point from the beginning of her relationship, through talking about sex, or arriving at it through non-verbal discussion only or how she feels that couples should go about getting to that point in their relationships.

Ladies please correct me if you feel that I've misrepresented your positions. That isn't my intention and if I have I apologize and humbly kiss your feet. Just tell me I'm a dolt and correct me! :redface:

I didn't realize only 6 women responded.... I prefer to make sure that my guy and I are on the same page, so I think talking is important. I don't want to assume that my definition of rough, or force, or kink is the same as his. From a couple of the posts from guys on this thread, I find my caution is justified. That being said, I agree with Petite completely about not doing this in the middle of sex (cogent/coherent thought is difficult to verbalize :redface:) in which case it would be too late anyway. If it sounds very clinical, or like reading a textbook, then the conversation is not going the way I hold them - sharing ideas about things to try can be very hot and for us tends to lead to physical exploration of said ideas. :biggrin1: My boyfriend and I have been together for awhile, and our level of trust combined with our expanding knowledge of each other have led to a better ability to read the other person through body language and non-verbal signals, so I get what Dolphette is saying too. But if there is something I want specifically then I feel I should ask or demonstrate. As far as how we initiated the discussions, it started off with asking each other what we like. From there, I've read explicit scenes from books to him that seemed interesting, he's shared porn scenes that he would like to try, games where we whisper details of what we plan to do to each other when we get home (done at one of my formal company functions or his firm's dinner events). It's a fun process.
 

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I kinda want to drop a warning here, because this discussion might get some people in trouble on the male side of the forum.

In Canada, it isn't enough to communicate in 'whatever way works' for you if you end up in court fighting against sexual assault charges. It might work in a relationship on a personal level, but judges aren't exactly at the forefront of new trends in sexual relationships. Because of that, there is no such thing as implied consent, which means that as a guy, you can't simply assume that you have consent to do whatever you want to do. If there is no consent, then unless the situation was incredibly odd, you're on the hook and need to provide a defense.

You can be put into this situation even if there's nothing to tip you off about it: If the person you're having sex with is doing so because she's afraid (even an unreasonable fear that you had no way of knowing about), then her consent isn't freely given.

The only thing you can do at that point in the trial would be to build a defense: claim that you had an honest mistaken belief. Because of how strong this defense is, you need to provide evidence that the judge can accept or toss away before he instructs the jury to take this belief into account. If you don't have any evidence that would lead you to have a mistaken belief, you're probably boned. Couples can typically point to their relationship as the source of the mistake if there's no evidence pointing the other way (recent physical abuse, violence, etc). Random hookups, by contrast, have far less to go on so play it safer there.

So despite the fact that context and circumstance seem to play an integral role, protect yourself by talking about the subject beforehand and be certain that what both of you are doing is exactly what both of you want.

Sorry for intruding!

Thank you for posting!! I saw a couple of posts that I perceived to be a rationalization of what I would define as rape (WTF - were they for real?), and your post was greatly appreciated as it expressed the importance of clarity in communication, and consequences where assumptions are made. As Dolphette said, no means no, regardless of the point at which it is said. I do acknowledge that most of the posts from guys I read (this thread and others) are quite good, sometimes enlightening for me, often funny, but it is concerning to see some of them are at best insensitive and at worst misogynistic. I felt better after reading your post!
 

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I love rough sex and force, and most people will find that out when we're flirting, before they even get close to having sex with me (I'm not exactly subtle).

I wouldn't want to sit down and have a serious discussion about limits beforehand. It would kinda kill the mood. I prefer guys to figure it out from body language and from that flirting that I've already mentioned. If they put their hand on the back of my head and push me down a bit harder while I'm giving them a BJ and I start cumming, it's probably a pretty good hint that I like a bit of force.
 

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I love rough sex and force, and most people will find that out when we're flirting, before they even get close to having sex with me (I'm not exactly subtle).

I wouldn't want to sit down and have a serious discussion about limits beforehand. It would kinda kill the mood. I prefer guys to figure it out from body language and from that flirting that I've already mentioned. If they put their hand on the back of my head and push me down a bit harder while I'm giving them a BJ and I start cumming, it's probably a pretty good hint that I like a bit of force.
I am not a sub, but, oral is definitely one of the areas where I can be dominated and really enjoy it. The whole moment is extremely sexy: having him take control, his cock going deeper in a measured way, just giving me a little more than I think I can take, and my relaxing and opening myself to receiving him.... eeek, such an amazing feeling!


One of the most amazing members of LPSG, Holly Blue, has written extensively about about D/s relationship and the use of force. If you can find posts under any of her names, I think she has two, you may find her journey extremely honest and thoughtful.

Eta links:
http://www.lpsg.org/members/consensualslave.html
http://www.lpsg.org/members/chrysalis.html
 
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"talking ruins the fun " of course a boy/guy/man would say that about a girl/lady/woman

I wouldn't mind if my boyfriend now used force just bc I don't mind a little raunchiness(I'm very comfortable with my bf @ this point of our 2 yr relationship) however, my guy is the type of guy to usually ask me first before doing anything which i like ab him hehe, once inawhile he'll throw in some "I'm so horny, I'm not going to ask you for permission" which is h o t.


I was messing around with a guy once 4 yrs ago, & he tried to hold me down with my hands, & I hated it. I told him to stop & he was just getting into the moment trying to do more, & I just would not have it, I felt e x t r e m e l y uncomfortable, & stopped seeing him