Wondering who decides who you are attracted to?

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To address 'HazelGod's question, I all of a sudden wanted to talk a little more about my sexuality since I just told my twin brother two days ago that I had never really been attracted to a woman. And I was just glad to see he didn't flip out over it, since he is 100% straight, never-a-gay-thought, kinda person. So that is what kinda fueled my sudden spurt for discussion. My brother was the first person on the fact of this earth I had told that to, and I never would have thought he'd take like he did.
 

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Cherfan,
I used to be an adult advisor in a youth group. During that time, I had a number of kids who were wrestling with the same thing you are. I don't mean the religious angst so much as the realization of their sexuality and their initial rejection of it.

I remember one boy who was rejecting it simply because in the small town we lived in, his upbringing imbued him with a strong image of the American dream of a home, a wife, and a career. He realized that he would never have that and it pained him greatly. All he could imagine for his future was cast in terms of a heterosexual life.

It made me realize how difficult it would be to gay in a straight world. Not only because of how others would might marginalize you, but how you might marginalize yourself because of your own conditioning at a young age by a heterosexual society.

The good news is that he eventually moved to a place where there was much more cultural diversity and he found society in which he could create a life for himself and thrive.

One thing I can tell you is that there are over 1000 species of creatures on this planet that we know of that exhibit homosexuality within their populations. This makes it hard for me to believe that God is not ultimately the author of homosexuality along with the rest of creation.

I am sorry that you regret your OP, however. You need to understand that you published it in a forum where there are many gay and straight members who feel that certainl interpretations of the Bible that cause people to feel marginalized or to be marginalized by others is not a healthy thing at all. You have to realize the possiblity that many are very angry at what appears to be complete rejection by the body of Christ.

I happen to think that if Jesus appeared on Earth on a Friday or Saturday night, he would make his first stop at either an AA meeting or a gay bar. And if the rest of Christianity found out about that, they would make the same complaints about him now that people in the Bible made back then. And in so doing, they would still not get the fact that Jesus comes for the little, the least, and lost and the marginalized among us. Everyone was welcome at Jesus' table during his ministry on Earth, and I have to believe it continues to be true and it will always be true.

So regardless of how you view the Bible, you have to picture yourself as always surrounded by the loving arms of the God known to us through Jesus, no matter what you do that you are proud of or not proud of. There is nothing you can do to make God love you more, and there is nothing you can do to make God love you less. St. Paul says it better:

For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things yet to come,
Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
- Romans 8:38-39

Christ's Peace,
JA
 

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I feel that you will need to follow your heart on this one. If you are happy following and practicing your religious faith - then so be it. Just let your happiness in life be the barometer of whether or not you are following the right path.
 

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Trés cher CherFan,

I am still unsure as to whether your thread expresses tongue-in-cheek humor or bona fide obscurantism, so I'll venture one neutral recommendation:

If you are so intent on playing straight, please give up Cher, for God's sake! Even Satan will applaud you.


I also find it difficult to determine, ever see this?

The Landover Baptist Church Forums

Anyway, I won't be too quick to judge, even though the Cher thing makes it look comical, because there are things that make it look real too. For example, claiming he was being bashed simply because people responded- that's typical of real believers. Just in case:

1) Being gay is normal, 10% of us are, and a great deal more have some percentage of homosexuality. This is not open to dispute.

2) The bible was written by men, and other men attributed the books to better known men who lived before them- check the dates of when the NT books were written. Here's a list of everything jesus said about homosexuality:







3) Paul was a mysogynist, a homphobe, an epileptic, and a murderer. I'm sorry, but claiming he was a "disciple" of jesus just because he fell and hit his head AFTER jesus was dead doesn't really prove anything at all. It's not fair to jesus to hold him accountable for paul. I repeat, jesus had absolutely NOTHING to say on the subject- if it was important, or part of the message he came to deliver, surely the creator of the universe would have bade him speak of it. Nope, it was paul's message, not jesus'. Who do YOU follow?


Jason and BBucko- I'll have you know I watched every link you posted on this thread, and I am now officially a gay man. Here's my signature Cher tune:

YouTube - Cher - Half Breed [HQ]

Bonus video on another famous gay man (trust me, it's worth it):

YouTube - "Ted Haggard Is Completely Heterosexual" by Roy Zimmerman
 

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JustAsking,

I thank you for your input. And just to clarify, I don't believe Jesus hates gays, I don't hate gays, even my pastor doesn't hate gays. Our church actually reaches out to them and helps them along their path in life. There are many cults, and denominations out there that bash homosexuality and hold signs--"God HATES gays!". That's not me, or my church. I know God loves ALL his children regardless of what they think of him or his teachings.

I agree with a lot of your points. And I do believe God did not create homosexuality on earth; I believe that was created by man. And it is obvious in the scene of Adam and Eve, with God giving man the gift of free will, Adam and Eve chose to eat off the forbidden tree because Satan tempted them. Can you blame it on Satan? I'm sure many would, but Adam and Eve chose to eat from that tree, paving the way for the rest of humanity to sin and be born sinners.

As for the Landover Baptist Church forums. I think there is some straying away from the path that Jesus might've taken in that sense. 'Unsaved Unwelcome' is not what Jesus would've gone around preaching. Although I understand the Pastor doesn't want bashers and other bloggers out there to infiltrate and just demean the beliefs of his congregation; I don't believe it's right to say, "you're not welcome here", that's not of Christ. Rules set forth-yes. Keeping out the people you're trying to win to Christ-nope.
 
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Let me get this straight :)oops:):

How do you reconcile those 2 propositions of yours:

I don't believe Jesus hates gays, I don't hate gays, even my pastor doesn't hate gays.

I am going through a time where Satan is trying to convince me that being gay is ok and it's what makes me happy, but I know the truth, and I constantly give in to Satan anyway.
 
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Well, chère madame, you certainly made my day with this link. I had no idea how close to a corporation those degenerated Dark Ages organizations could come...down to the Fortune 500-style HQ!

If I had Endora's powers I would change into a high-ranking IRS policy-maker and tax them out of existence, retroactively to the effective start date of the Holy Spanish Inquisition.
 

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Landover Baptist is a hoax, now you know why I say it's so hard to detect the real ones from the gags.

Cherfan, satan and god are aspects of your own personality, you can choose what you want to do at every step of the game, but you cannot choose how you were made, that's a function of evolution. You can't make yourself one inch taller, and you can't "perfect" yourself out of being gay. I think the posters on this thread both christian and not have been delivering this same message, I hope you find yourself some peace.
 

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Jesus doesn't have to hate you to disapprove of your lifestyle.

Yes, I understand, but it isn't jesus who disaproves. There's not one word of condemnation from jesus anywhere in the new testament about homosexuality. Please be careful about what you read and who you let do your interpretations for you. Most times, you'll be better off just reading the words yourself, but ALWAYS look at who is doing the writing! If they're not quoting jesus, then it's just their own opinion, which carries no more weight than your own.

Jesus also thought the world would end in his own lifetime, which is why he bade his listeners to take no thought for the morrow, because the kingdom of god was at hand. Well, he got a few things wrong, he still had a lot of good advice to give. With paul, you had really better be a bit more selective, he was not considered a god by anybody.
 

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