Word Association: Men are to Porn as Women are to _______?

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<Major facepalm>

Now I'll be the first to admit that my views on womanhood are at least somewhat skewed, in as much as I've only known them as relatives (grandmothers, aunts, mother, sisters and cousins), friends, schoolmates, co-workers (both as managers and associates I've supervised as well as equals), with a mentor or two thrown in for good measure. But because we've never really had any sexual tension introduced into our interactions (with vanishingly rare exceptions), I've been able to enjoy a perspective perhaps lost on my hetero/bi brethren, and frequently find myself engaged in truthful conversations about just about everything: most especially sex.

Women are no less sexual creatures than men, and, at least the women in my life over the years have rarely if ever suppressed any desire to talk about it: all of it, the good, bad and ugly, when it comes to sexual expression with men, with other women and with themselves. These expressions may not correspond precisely between men and women, but there's hardly a reason to discount women's appetite for erotica (even if it varies from the straight-porn paradigm at times) any more than to assign a woman's sexual motivations to maternity rather than plain-old lust.

I know now and have always been acquainted with females with no interest in child-bearing whatsoever; this in no way makes them less "womanly" (I shudder even as I type the word), and to do so cheapens them as people. It also belittles their personal and professional goals to suggest that they are in any way inferior to motherhood. I thought that thought process died out sometime in the mid-70s; it was certainly long-buried by the majority of the women in my life by the mid-80s.

Who knows? Maybe I just always ran with feral, wanton bitches, though I doubt it. Most of them seemed reasonable enough to me at the time and still do. Parenthood has been held in equally-high esteem among my friends who've chosen that life path irrespective of gender.

Equating "men's" "obsession" with porn to "women's" maternal instincts is just completely, utterly, profoundly misguided. And no one, ever puts boys in a sexualized, porn-influenced situation the way young girls are given dolls and such. Perhaps a better similarity would be drawn between dolls and toy guns, but I'd doubt anyone saying that toy guns inherently make boys more violent; testosterone does that for us :rolleyes:

Thanks for having a conversation.

Again, DEEP DOWN WOMEN ARE JUST AS SEXUAL AS MEN.

I don't mean that every woman wants to have children. But I do mean that every woman is PRESSURED into having children and finding a husband. Like every man is PRESSURED into being sexual. You always hear stories about a woman's biological clock, or about how they worry that they don't have a man, or worry about if they don't have a baby by a certain age. Media is manufactured to tell us these things (including porn, tv, fashion magazines).

Equating "men's" "obsession" with porn to "women's" maternal instincts is just completely, utterly, profoundly misguided. And no one, ever puts boys in a sexualized, porn-influenced situation the way young girls are given dolls and such.

For boys it may not start the same age girls start playing with dolls. But around puberty both girls and boys are flooded with sexualized images coming from TV, video games, music and other media. Boys are encouraged to absorb this information and be sexual while girls aren't.
 

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Why do you insist on making blanket generalisations? You never qualify anything you say, that's at least a part of what's obnoxious about this thread.

Why does me making generalizations automatically make what I'm saying stupid, ignorant or untrue?

Does what I say happen to every single male and female? No

But does happen it to a lot male and females, so much that it is a noticeable trend? Yes

And you know how many obnoxious threads are on this site???? Do I go around hating the OP's on those threads? No I just ignore them.

But do what you want, because I'm done.
 

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Why does me making generalizations automatically make what I'm saying stupid, ignorant or untrue?

Does what I say happen to every single male and female? No

But does happen it to a lot male and females, so much that it is a noticeable trend? Yes

And you know how many obnoxious threads are on this site???? Do I go around hating the OP's on those threads? No I just ignore them.

But do what you want, because I'm done.



Have I hated on you? No.


Am I relieved to finally see you can conceive of a qualification to the generalisations you've made? Yes.


Do I know how many other obnoxious threads there are on this site? No.
 

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I don't mean that every woman wants to have children. But I do mean that every woman is PRESSURED into having children and finding a husband. Like every man is PRESSURED into being sexual. You always hear stories about a woman's biological clock, or about how they worry that they don't have a man, or worry about if they don't have a baby by a certain age. Media is manufactured to tell us these things (including porn, tv, fashion magazines).

Personally, I have to disagree with the bolded statement. As a woman in her forties, I have never felt pressured to have children OR find a husband. While I helped raised children, I never had my own - I thought about it, but the time and opportunity never presented itself. So I didn't. But I never felt pressure to do so. I have never been married. Again, never met anyone I wanted to commit myself to - so I never married. I have never felt pressure. In my peer group, I know lots of other never married and/or childless women who never experienced pressure.

I do know women AND men who have been pressured into finding a spouse or starting a family, but there are lots men & women who have not experienced pressure. Maybe we care less about it in Canada. We did legalize same-sex marriage and medicinal marijuana. And our politicians can fuck who they like - we don't care. :wink:
 

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I understand that this thread was originally posted in the women's issues forum, and the op may have previous bad form... but like someone has said before...lighten the fuck up!

I have read the OP for about the third time and despite the generalisations, I can't see that it is sexist or mysoginistic. Like just about every thread it contains stereotypes and generalisations...take it on the chin and get the fuck over it.

MB you have unfairly attacked all the males who have bought into this word association game and not touched on any of the females who also answered superficially with shoes,shopping and handbags.

Your humourless, holier than thou attitude is becoming tiresome and threadbare.


Where do I get to nominate this heap for stupidest thread ever?

I love the way the usual suspects have all the answers too.

Men are to porn as women are to being put in a fucking stupid little box of one answer fits all because God forbid anyone should ever actually have to think for him/herself and work out how to relate to another human being as an individual. Ooo, yeah, baby - I love that so much! Just came at the thought of it! You fuckwits.

There's my fucking answer.

We don't, and it is offensive on every level to firstly assume we're not as sexual as our male counterparts, and secondly to think we're all shoe shopping bimbos or whatever "box of the day" happens to be today.

What the fuck are you talking about - you are the one making generalizations - I'm saying not all men see porn as the opiate you do so it doesn't follow that women have a mass opiate either.



So it's OK if you're being a post-modern ironic sexist cunt?

I see, I see.

How exactly does one advance a perspective?
 

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that was amusing!
people getting on their high horse to criticise people getting on their high horse.
i feel left out.
fetch me a horse!
 

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I understand that this thread was originally posted in the women's issues forum, and the op may have previous bad form... but like someone has said before...lighten the fuck up!

I have read the OP for about the third time and despite the generalisations, I can't see that it is sexist or mysoginistic. Like just about every thread it contains stereotypes and generalisations...take it on the chin and get the fuck over it.

MB you have unfairly attacked all the males who have bought into this word association game and not touched on any of the females who also answered superficially with shoes,shopping and handbags.

Your humourless, holier than thou attitude is becoming tiresome and threadbare.



Are you just stupid? Making generalisations about the sexes is the definition of sexism. Making negative or otherwise reductive generalisations about women is misogyny.


The fact that you're a man doesn't excuse you from being ignorant. Lighten the fuck up eh? So you think it's fine for a man to a) presume that all men are as hopelessly addicted to pornography as the he personally is? and b) think it's perfectly fine for him to presume that all women are obsessed with having babies? And c) expect everyone to collude with him in his obnoxious assumptions?

Oh yeah, that makes sense.... if I generalise offensively.... you're an Australian man. :rolleyes:


Oh and you think MB is tiresome do you? Here's some news for you, you're a witless, simpering moron whose posts make teeth hurt with boredom and irritation. Why don't you go find some equally intellectually challenged, Neanderthal straight bloke to suck up to in the desperate hope that he'll validate your sad, sexually frustrated admiration of him with some kind of cyber-hi five and do us all the enormous favour of not gracing us with your antediluvian weltanschauung?
 
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that was amusing!
people getting on their high horse to criticise people getting on their high horse.
i feel left out.
fetch me a horse!

I believe in gender equality - ergo: fetch your own damn horse! :tongue:




(and if you can't find a horse around here, you're not looking hard enough! :tongue:)