Would a guy still be straight if he was with a tranny?

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  1. D_BarryBunwarmer

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    I was wondering

    If a straight guy fell in love with a tranny but he didn't know that she had a dick but after she told him, he was still in love with her and even had sex with her, would he still be straight? Even if he had no attraction to other men
     
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    Straight with a bump in it.
     
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    Interesting question. I'm afraid to answer it cause people won't like it, I'm sure. Post-op, yeah, but pre-op, I have difficulties. To my mind, I don't see the whole chick-with-dick thing as anything resembling straight. To me it's an excuse, a justification, an obfuscation. I know all the 'sexuality isn't defined by plumbing' arguments but I find them very difficult to buy.
     
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    Sexuality is too much of a gray issue to define someone as straight or gay definitively, but to me, I consider myself straight because I find the female form attractive and do not get aroused by the male form. Do I enjoy and appreciate a nice looking penis? Sure, but since I do not find a male sexually attractive I say I am straight.

    To answer your question, I would say mostly no. She does have a penis, and there is no getting around that, but she looks like a woman, and that has more bearing.
     
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    But don't you think that if a guy truly loved a girl, he could still be in love with her after finding out what in between her legs? And even though he's in a relationship with someone who is technically a man, in his mind he could think of her as a woman. I mean, he wouldn't exactly be thrilled about the penis and it would likely be something he would have to overcome. But I think it could happen.

    Just because he's having sex with a girl with a dick doesn't mean he wants other dicks. Just hers lol
     
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    I dont know if they are gay, because I've always perceived the attraction being that they are this middle ground, physical manifestation of bisexuality. I mean, if they totally pull it off and look very feminine, but yet still have a dick.

    I mean, the whole advertised, sexual concept of is that they are the best of both worlds.
     
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    Some people are more attracted to gender identity/presentation than genitalia when it comes to their sexuality. I know a lot of female-to-male (FTM) transgender guys who identify as gay, and their boyfriends (who have previously only been with guys who were born men and have penises) love them and consider themselves very much gay even though their boyfriends have vaginas.
     
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    I think the terms we tend to use are very limiting.
     
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    If he sees the tranny as a woman, I would say he's straight, but don't you think it's better to let individuals define their sexual orientation on their own?

    If a guy wants to say he's straight, I don't care if he spends all day looking at penises on the LPSG; if he calls himself straight, than to me, he's straight.
     
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    This is part of the same old argument about "if a guy does X,Y, Z then is he gay, straight, bi, curious?".
    Strictly speaking "homosexual" and "heterosexual" are adjectives to describe same-sex and opposite-sex activities and are inappropriately applied to people.
    "Gay" is/was a self-defining politicised label by people identifying as having a sexual preference for their own sex. Therefore, if the guy defines himself as "straight" or "gay" then that is his decision.
    Sexuality and sexual orientation (as trentster points out) are complex concepts and do not fall easily into mutually exclusive categories. "Gay" men can enjoy sex with women without having to define themselves as "bisexual" or "straight" because they stilol would prefer to have sex with another guy. "Straight" men can enjoy sex with other men without in any way detracting from their label "straight" or undermining the fact that given a choice they would prefer to have sex with a woman.

    The we come to individuals who are transgendered - people who are not easily and unambiguously categorised as male or female (though, for me, if someone says, "I am a man" or "I am a woman" then I tend to accept that). Biologically, a man having sex or being sexually attracted to another chromosomal "male" is behaving homosexually. Psychologically, he is behaving heterosexually since he perceives and relates to his partner as man to woman. In either case, his behaviour does not deny that he prefers sex with women more than men - hence he is "straight".
     
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    There are lots of straight men who are in love with trans women. I would say unless he chooses to define himself otherwise he's straight.

    Of course, as mentioned above, these definitions are all nebulous - and more than a bit silly.
     
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    No, he would not still be straight.

    [quote=Nick8;1923650]Interesting question. I'm afraid to answer it cause people won't like it, I'm sure. Post-op, yeah, but pre-op, I have difficulties. To my mind, I don't see the whole chick-with-dick thing as anything resembling straight. [/quote] Nor do I.

    Ditto! I agree with you Nick8
     
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    Nor do I.

    Ditto! I agree with you Nick8
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    I have to disagree...if outwardly she's all woman...thats what people see and what he sees...then in his mind he's fucking a woman...NOW if the tranny flips it up and fucks him...NOW I'd say thats pretty gay. Even tho...lots of married straight couples will strap on and fuck their husbands...and thats not gay...just something that they think feels good.

    Back to the OP...he fell in love with someone he thought was a woman...THEN after finding out she was a he... the feelings were still there. In my opinion, If you truely love someone, the body is secondary ..it's the heart and mind that hold the connection. The naughty bits are a perk, and just a way to display the affection you have for the other person. The terms straight and gay are soooo much GREY AREA and generalized to hold multiple expressions of love and sex. To attach a tag to someone elses personality or make them group themselves into a group which may not be a true fit is wrong.

    I love my partner...but dont care that he's a guy. I'm sexually attracted to both..but put the 80% gay because of my current relationship. Sex is more mental than physical in my opinion....
     
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    I think you can fall in love with a person and deal with their shortcomings...especially if the trans person wasn't upfront about themselves.

    However, if you're actively seeking out women who are transgendered then you are not straight. At best, it makes you bisexual.
     
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    Yes he would still be basically straight in my opinion. Attracted to the feminine archetype. Not a typical gay man at all.

    But what makes you ask this question?
     
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    He would still be the person he was when he fell in love with the tranny. What's so damned important about applying labels?
     
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    To be honest, I don't think the answer to this question is as simple as gay, straight or bi...in reality, it's none of the above.

    Gay is defined as specifically being attracted to the same sex, straight being attracted to the opposite sex, and bisexual as being attracted to both.

    Well, transsexuals, whether pre op or post op are always biologically the same sex they were born, while if they get surgery and hormones they can cosmetically change that to suit themselves better, because sometimes they felt like they were born with the wrong parts. The reason I say they will ALWAYS be biologically the same is because transfemales cannot bare children and transmales cannot father children, at least not with todays medicine.

    This also raises issues of how gender and biological sex are not always the same. Sometimes someone is born a hermaphrodite and the doctors will remove the wrong set of sex organs. Lets say this person had a dysfunctional penis but had a very intact and correctly formed vagina. The doctors decide to keep the penis and surgically "get rid of" (gross oversimplification, I don't know the exact medical procedure) the vagina. However, the hermaphrodite in question grows up and develops feeling like they are supposed to be a girl, perhaps because thats what they really were supposed to be. Being born a hermaphrodite and getting the wrong parts removed doesnt explain every case of being a transexual, it isn't always because of something in the womb, there can be a multitude of reasons for one wanting to change sexes. It's just very interesting I think, that's all.
     
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    I have to disagree...if outwardly she's all woman...thats what people see and what he sees...then in his mind he's fucking a woman...NOW if the tranny flips it up and fucks him...NOW I'd say thats pretty gay. Even tho...lots of married straight couples will strap on and fuck their husbands...and thats not gay...just something that they think feels good.

    Back to the OP...he fell in love with someone he thought was a woman...THEN after finding out she was a he... the feelings were still there. In my opinion, If you truely love someone, the body is secondary ..it's the heart and mind that hold the connection. The naughty bits are a perk, and just a way to display the affection you have for the other person. The terms straight and gay are soooo much GREY AREA and generalized to hold multiple expressions of love and sex. To attach a tag to someone elses personality or make them group themselves into a group which may not be a true fit is wrong.

    I love my partner...but dont care that he's a guy. I'm sexually attracted to both..but put the 80% gay because of my current relationship. Sex is more mental than physical in my opinion....[/QUOTE]

    I agree.
     
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    I don't know if it is gay or str8, and it does not really matter. But, I think transsexuals appeal most to bi or st8 guys who are curious. Ever since I saw my first transsexual porn movie I have been so intrigued and turned on by cock and discovered my bisexual side. I mean I love the female face and body and femininity but, I also, love cock so it would be the best of both worlds for me.
     
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