viking,
Despite our disagreeing on some issues (you're so damn auto accepting of institutionalized viewpoints) it's obvious you're a nice guy and I appreciate your effort to make me feel better about my size. Actually I'm some bigger than that now (I realise you don't believe pe works but I am bigger from it). Also, the measurements I give are to the pubic skin and not to the pubic bone. I've gained 1.25 in length and .25 in girth, but despite the length gain I'm only visibly .50 longer than before as I've put on weight (I use to be skinny, and am now about 20 pounds over weight) so my pubic fatpad is .75 more than it was as it use to only be .50 and is now 1.25 thick and therefore hides that much length. So I use to be 5.75 l x 4.75 g (visible penis) but nowdays I'm 6.25 l x 5 g (visible penis). Bone pressed I was 6.25 l x 4.75 g and nowdays I'm 7.50 l x 5 g bone pressed. I've managed to get an "Oh!" now and then since my gain, but it was when I was pressing the fatpad in somewhat so that I had about 7" length in her.
I'm always going to go with scientific research. If it wasn't done scientifically it's not much good. I have learned not to believe anything I hear on the street, and only part of what I see. I've had that proven to me too many times. The internet is the same. If there is no science to back up the data, then I dismiss it as false. Self measured surveys mean nothing.
Men will lie, even when they are anonymous. This has been proven.
Just go look at any of the size threads on sites that are mostly teen age guys, and you'll see the evidence of that.
As for enlargement, it's never been proven to me. I won't say it can't work, but I don't have any proof. One thing that makes me doubt is a lot of the guys say they started enlargement at 16 to 19 years old. Natural growth can occur after that age. So, was it what they did, or natural growth?
I don't know, and I'm not sure anyone else does. Another point, why would doctors say it doesn't work if it really does? They could promote this and make millions. I know, some doctors do support it, but most are selling products for enlargement too. I'm just very suspicious of this. I won't say it doesn't work, but I'm certainly not convinced. I'm not convinced on ghosts, flying saucers, or Astrology either. Many others are, but what's that prove?
Just like that thread here "do you believe in God", it ended up about 50/50 which is inconclusive.
I don't know if you are saying you don't believe the currently accepted size from medical studies, or just that I always go with scientific evidence.
I have heard the average at 4, 5, 5.5, 6, 6.5, and 7" so far in my life.
Most of this was off the street. What I have read was factual medical studies that put it at about 5.3". I have actually looked at the names given for the references used, and then looked them up. I have read the actual research papers, and that's why I believe them. You asked me for a list of references, and I said "just forget it". I am not going to look all that stuff up again. I spent hours and hours finding that stuff. I didn't tag any of it.
I didn't need to, I read it, and it's in my brain now. I will also wager, that if I do find it and post it, that it won't change YOUR opinion one bit. It also won't change the opinion of more than .5% of the membership of LPSG in general. That's just the way it is, most people are very closed minded.
It did change my viewpoint, though. If you had asked me 5 years ago what the average penis length was, I'd have said 6.5 to 7", closer to 7". That's what I had heard all the way through school. Now I know it was just adolescent guys wanting everyone else to believe that had 7". I was gullible then, now I'm not so gullible. I'm not closed minded, I just want PROOF! What's wrong with that?