Wow, Mods, this is really beneath you.

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Reading the ToS it seems like there are other reasons you could have banned him for.
Obviously there's the pics one but you could argue he was guilty of "Hate Speech and General Trolling" too.
 
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I can understand being so upset and frustrated and to feel so betrayed by someone you trusted to let your anger get the better of you. Still when things cool off, better to remove it.

And are you saying it's not out of character for Rob to do this? I'm only asking because that's how I'm reading it, not to incite.

To be quite candid, I don't know Rob very well. He isn't a huge factor in site moderation (and by that I mean he doesn't really ever participate in the moderator discussions unless he is specifically asked to) and he mostly acts 'behind-the-scenes' on the technical side of the site. I think we can all vouch for him doing a fabulous job there, but again - I don't know him. I have had a few small and short personal conversations with him but not enough for me to say if this is out of character for him or not. Maybe it isn't, maybe it isn't, but either way I trust that he's a good person and has good intentions. He hasn't given me any reason to feel otherwise.

This certainly IS out of character for the mods and admins that I know and worked with. I feel confident that it's would be out of character for the newer mods that I haven't worked with as well.
 

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It's more likely they took a vote on it and decided to alter his sig.
Since you don't know who voted what you can't glean anything about anyone's character form it.

That's incredibly unlikely. If someone had brought it up to be voted on, it would be shot down in a heartbeat. I don't really have any doubt about that. This seems more like something done on a spur-of-the-moment, it's very emotionally driven.
 

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That's incredibly unlikely. If someone had brought it up to be voted on, it would be shot down in a heartbeat. I don't really have any doubt about that. This seems more like something done on a spur-of-the-moment, it's very emotionally driven.

Yeah I agree with you. I changed my mind a couple seconds after posting it and edited it. I took too long to click save though, since you had time to respond.:tongue:

And if they are going to do that thing with his sig It would look better if it was a hyperlink and maybe red or something since most people don't really notice sigs and it would make it stand out.
And change it to 3rd person. The 1st person thing gives it the tone of someone being made to stand on a street corner with a sign around their neck, confesing what they did. (At least that's the vibe I get)
 
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If you don't believe me that we banned him as soon as we were able and could not do so sooner, there isn't much else I can say. .

so this:

By Rob E: The irony here is that "Hung Jon" was dismissed from the moderator team because he selectively took action against members of the forum and then lied to the other moderators about what he had done. He then, in some hyper delusional state, began to post as if he had uncovered some great conspiracy.

wasn't enough to ban him? Sounds to me that the TOS should include that the site owner and Admins can at their discrepancy ban anyone they want to, if it's not already in there.

If someone acted the way he describes as a Mod why would they be worthy of still being a member here?
 

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Mem, you can second guess how things went down, but things are sometimes more complex than they appear and sometimes simpler. We gave him a second chance at being a regular member.
 

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Look, I don't want to beat a dead horse and I never meant to mod-bash. I've always been very clear about the difficulties involved in the job they do as well as the thanklessness of the task despite disagreeing with certain decisions here and there. When I began this thread I believed the fake pic was solely the one that came and quickly went so my point was more cut and dry; now it's more in shades of grey, to mix my metaphors.

Rob says HJ was taking unauthorized action against members on his own. Vince implies it was the gallery pics. Surely the latter is the cherry on the cake of the former and the timing is convenient. But in any event, it is what it is and there's no going back. In the end, it's a sad tale all around.
 

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For the record, I created the signature without any discussion with mods/admins. I'm not sure how I feel about it really, maybe it is something we should do going forward, maybe it is not. Although HungJon could have been banned for any number of reasons, he was ultimately banned because he lied to the members and moderators - including using fake photos as himself. This was discovered because he obviously drew a lot of attention to himself in his final postings.

I really don't like to get involved in these things, but he pushed until my involvement became necessary. The moderators work very hard and didn't deserve to be thrown under the bus. I'm not sure if he was a huge troll or perhaps is genuinely mentally ill. He concocted all sorts of things that had no basis in fact, perhaps he really believed them. We'll never really know.
 

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Look, I don't want to beat a dead horse and I never meant to mod-bash. I've always been very clear about the difficulties involved in the job they do as well as the thanklessness of the task despite disagreeing with certain decisions here and there. When I began this thread I believed the fake pic was solely the one that came and quickly went so my point was more cut and dry; now it's more in shades of grey, to mix my metaphors.

Rob says HJ was taking unauthorized action against members on his own. Vince implies it was the gallery pics. Surely the latter is the cherry on the cake of the former and the timing is convenient. But in any event, it is what it is and there's no going back. In the end, it's a sad tale all around.

He was removed from the mod team for unauthorized actions against members... he was banned from the forum for the fake pictures.

For the record, I created the signature without any discussion with mods/admins. I'm not sure how I feel about it really, maybe it is something we should do going forward, maybe it is not. Although HungJon could have been banned for any number of reasons, he was ultimately banned because he lied to the members and moderators - including using fake photos as himself. This was discovered because he obviously drew a lot of attention to himself in his final postings.

I really don't like to get involved in these things, but he pushed until my involvement became necessary. The moderators work very hard and didn't deserve to be thrown under the bus. I'm not sure if he was a huge troll or perhaps is genuinely mentally ill. He concocted all sorts of things that had no basis in fact, perhaps he really believed them. We'll never really know.

Thank you for the clarification. :smile: I have a feeling that's what most people wanted/needed.
 

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For the record, I created the signature without any discussion with mods/admins. I'm not sure how I feel about it really, maybe it is something we should do going forward, maybe it is not.

I think 'not' and I would like you to remove it or at very least change it so it becomes clear it is words you have put in his mouth.

As I said earlier - the Mod Actions thread is the current place to convey such a message to the membership. It's your prerogative to change that, obviously, but putting an 'I was a naughty boy' comment in someone's sig strikes me as a low and ungainly way of doing it.
 

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I think 'not' and I would like you to remove it or at very least change it so it becomes clear it is words you have put in his mouth.

As I said earlier - the Mod Actions thread is the current place to convey such a message to the membership. It's your prerogative to change that, obviously, but putting an 'I was a naughty boy' comment in someone's sig strikes me as a low and ungainly way of doing it.
Anybody that has been a regular on any number of forums would know that it is not something that he himself said. Personally, I have no issue with it. Actually, I prefer that it is put in the signature of the banned person because then there might be fewer "why was person x banned?" threads. There may be a mod actions thread, but people dont always check there. They see a person is banned and instantly think, "why was he banned? I am gonna make a thread asking why!" This scenario is even more true for members that have been around for a while.
 

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I think 'not' and I would like you to remove it or at very least change it so it becomes clear it is words you have put in his mouth.

As I said earlier - the Mod Actions thread is the current place to convey such a message to the membership. It's your prerogative to change that, obviously, but putting an 'I was a naughty boy' comment in someone's sig strikes me as a low and ungainly way of doing it.

Not to mention a little emotionally unbalanced
 

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For the record, I created the signature without any discussion with mods/admins. I'm not sure how I feel about it really, maybe it is something we should do going forward, maybe it is not. Although HungJon could have been banned for any number of reasons, he was ultimately banned because he lied to the members and moderators - including using fake photos as himself. This was discovered because he obviously drew a lot of attention to himself in his final postings.

I really don't like to get involved in these things, but he pushed until my involvement became necessary. The moderators work very hard and didn't deserve to be thrown under the bus. I'm not sure if he was a huge troll or perhaps is genuinely mentally ill. He concocted all sorts of things that had no basis in fact, perhaps he really believed them. We'll never really know.

Thanks for this, Rob. I appreciate the honest clarification. I still dislike the scarlet letter aspect of the signature change though and think it ought to come down. He's been banned for good reason and the membership all understands why.
 

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The stolen, copy-written photos are evidence of that deception and alone are reason enough for a ban.

Fuzzy has a secret vince crush, but must interject:


Groups with copyrighted material:

http://www.lpsg.org/groups/1025-hypo+cocks/

http://www.lpsg.org/groups/33-big+tit+lovers!/


Albums with copyrighted material:

http://www.lpsg.org/members/ares007/albums/stacked+cornfed+heidi+marie/

http://www.lpsg.org/members/jackoyakoff/albums/jackoff's+plaything/


Avatars with copyrighted material:

http://www.lpsg.org/members/rowan+ravenseed.html

http://www.lpsg.org/members/diego.html

Does half the site get banned?

PS. No offense to those Fuzzy linked to. They are the result of a random, quick search.
 

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Yeah, a sig is someone's own expression, even in banishment.

When something's written in the first person, yet demonstrably false that those are their actual words, it's fraudulent. I think LPSG is above having public stockades, and management falsifying someone's personal statement is that, but worse.
 

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Yeah, a sig is someone's own expression, even in banishment.

When something's written in the first person, yet demonstrably false that those are their actual words, it's fraudulent. I think LPSG is above having public stockades, and management falsifying someone's personal statement is that, but worse.
The sig is the equivalent of the punishment given to lots of people that wear a sign around their neck stating something. It is not something they said, it is an explanation.

Think of it as those tales you hear of wives having their husbands wear a sign that says "i cheated on my wife" as a punishment. This is the exact same thing. It is not a statement from, but a statement ABOUT.
 

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I think 'not' and I would like you to remove it or at very least change it so it becomes clear it is words you have put in his mouth.

As I said earlier - the Mod Actions thread is the current place to convey such a message to the membership. It's your prerogative to change that, obviously, but putting an 'I was a naughty boy' comment in someone's sig strikes me as a low and ungainly way of doing it.

Why? It doesn't bother me in the least.