WTF is up with Tom Tancredo?

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    If there was any doubt regarding the overall message of the so-called "concerned citizens" known as the tea baggers, consider what is going on right now in Nashville. The first grassroots Tea Party Convention at $550 a ticket, has drawn roughly 600 people the first night.

    I guess some people forgot this was Super Bowl Weekend. :rolleyes:
    But I digress...

    Tonight's speaker was Former Congressman and 2008 Republican presidential candidate Tom Tancredo. In an attempt to deliver an insult to the president by referring to his supporters as unintelligent, Tancredo makes a reference to a "Civics Literacy Test". His actual quote - "people who could not even spell the word 'vote', or say it in English, put a committed socialist ideologue in the White House. His name, is Barack Hussein Obama." This was immediately followed by cheering. You can check out the video here.

    For the truly uneducated people oblivious to our Nation's history who are now preparing pathetic, bullshit rebuttals about playing the "race card", consider the context of Tancredo's statement and what a Civics Literary Test really was in relation. For those too lazy to click on the link, here's a brief description: Southern states used literacy tests as part of an effort to deny suffrage to African American and other minorities prior to Johnson-era civil rights laws. It was used widely during election time to deny African Americans and minorities the right to vote.

    When these people decided to define themselves using a term named after an explicit, sexual act, they got mad when everyone laughed at them for doing it and called their opposition stupid. Now, they're actually referencing highly discriminative & illegal practices to express their hatred, and I'm sure defenders of the teabaggers will say that "liberals" are taking this out of context. Bullshit. This time nobody with a brain or a conscious is laughing. This isn't the first time that Obamaphobes have used comments with hidden racial overtones to address their people. When does the shit end? And where are the sensible Conservatives who will call this what it really is?

    Ironically, their keynote speaker doesn't know how to pronounce the word nuclear. I wonder if she would pass the literacy test if there actually was one? :rolleyes:
     
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    Paging Starinvestor...Starinvestor...where are you?

    Ooh silence.

    I don't expect him to see that comment by Tancredo for what it is.

    BTW he's the same jerk who referred to Miami as a "banana republic" when asked about South Florida politics. He stirred up a lot of animosity with the Cuban community which ironically used to overwhelmingly vote Republican( and many of them didn't even speak or understand English so most likely couldn't spell "vote")

    Tancredo is a racist piece of garbage who apparently hates anyone not a WASP.
     
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    Yo! VB. I've been following this and waiting for Sarah's appearance and show some leg to appease the few attendees who actually bought tickets. Maybe she'll wear something low cut, too. I can hardly wait. The news on the Tea Baggers is a minor event here in Europe, but it eventually filters through.

    However, it appears that ex congressman (thank the powers that be for the "ex" part) Tancredo waxes fondly of the time before LBJ when it was legal to make up any excuse to prevent persons of color to vote. He openly laments the good ol' days of Jim Crow are no longer legal. So, the Tea Bag Party shows its colors. It's a movement of disingenuous racists who insist they aren't racists because, well . . . because "they say so." Check out the following links: http://rawstory.com/2010/02/tea-party-opening-speaker-suggests-blacks-voting/
    and http://abcnews.go.com/WN/tea-party-fireworks-speaker-tom-tancredo-rips-mccain/story?id=9751718

    I smell neuro linguistic programmers at work here.
     
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    What does this have to do with race? You Progressives just want illegal aliens to vote so they will vote for YOU for a six pack of beer and a pack of Marlboros. We are soon to find ourselves in a system, similar to France, where Government workers and those receiving handouts make up a majority. Our education system is ignoring the values and roots of the United States - no discussion of founding fathers, no debate about the US constitution, the left complains about the Supreme Court decision and yet accepts that major media outlets are controlled by GE, Microsoft, CBS and ABC.... ALL CORPORATE ENTITIES!!! The people have to take back the Government!! I recall discussions in College with a mixed race group - I would embrace a black dude that had my values anyday over a white guy that carried around a boombox and spewed marxist philosophy anyday!!
     
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    Tancredo doesn't sound like a WASP-y name to me. Isn't it ironic that his grandparents emigrated to the United States? :rolleyes:
     
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    As usual, spin, spin, spin.

    :rolleyes:

    A cvil literacy test is simply designed to evaluate an individuals knowledge of government.

    Why should someone that has absolutely no comprehension of the government, how the government works, what the government does, what the' gov't is comprised of, or anything relating to the governement - why in the hell should they be voting?

    They don't even know what they re voting for. These people don't even know who the candidates are and are being told what to do for every option.

    In affect, they aren't voting at all. They are allowing their bodies to be used to casts votes for the agendas of their handlers/bribers/ACORN. It is very similar to prostitution, but more dangerous to the general public.

    It is a blatant misuse and fraudulent exploitation of the voting system.

    I figured that the libs would create some type of race issue with this guy Tancredo - who has been outspoken his entire career.
     
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    Your original question about race is a very good question. But I fail to see your logic that somehow this spirals out of control to boom box-carrying "white" Marxists. You lost me there.

    However, American History is a required subject in Federally tax-funded schools. The myth that it isn't is just a lie made out of whole cloth to fire up the emotions of the ignorant. US history usually is taught alternate years with State history in most States in the USA until 9th grade. After that, there is a requirement to fulfill x-number of US history credits to graduate. It's not necessary to take US history EVERY year from 9th to 12th grade. But depending upon the State, at least two years of US history is required. So, I'm not certain where you get the idea that "Our education system is ignoring the values and roots of the United States - no discussion of founding fathers, no debate about the US constitution . . ."

    But your next line about illegal aliens voting for a six pack and some cigarettes belies your real intent. Illegal aliens cannot vote in the USA. And from what I've noticed, the majority of illegal aliens that come to the USA do not come from Canada, the EU, Balkan States, Australia, or Russia. The majority that do show up on our shores tend to be people of color from impoverished countries. So, by association, I detect a bit of racism in your comments. But we'd have to dig a bit deeper to know for certain.

    Marxism? No one, especially me, is spewing Marxist propaganda or rhetoric in this thread. LBJ was definitely not a Marxist. So, I'm sort of compelled to ask 2586602, why you did so poorly in school? Because from your post you certainly haven't got your facts correct and the partial facts you do allude to are warped to serve a purpose that makes no sense.

    Look up Jim Crow Laws and Brown versus the Board of Education for starters and become familiar with the human rights issues they involved. Then maybe you'll have a base for thinking critically about the "mendacity" of Trancredo's remarks and the uneducated and/or out right racist audience he is appealing to.

    However, I do agree that public education, in general, has been dumbed down -- on purpose -- by powers that most benefit from an poorly educated public. There's no question that the generic "Johnny" can't read at the same level he could 30 years ago. The USA is now a TV nation, not a nation of book readers. :smile:

    Oh, and despite what some may believe, Reagan, Bush I, and Bush II were definitely not "education" presidents. Clinton is in that group, too. Public education has not been adequately funded in the USA for many decades.
     
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    The uneducated Troll resurfaces! And he's mastered the passive voice, too! :smile::smile::smile::smile:


    Hmmm . . . you sure about that? The majority of original Patriots who fought off the Brits couldn't read, but they sure knew who they were fighting and why. I wonder how they did that? And upon the formation of this "more perfect Union" they could all vote, too (except for them darn, troublesome women). Hmm . . . . (the smell of Troll poop ---- eww, fer ick!)


    It is "In effect . . " as in "the result effect" you poorly educated child. Obviously, English is not your first language. LOL! Seriously, you continue to post your ignorance as if it's not an issue. You have an affected writing style that underscores your general ignorance. This effectively leaves you several grades behind the rest of the class!

    Anyone notice the same, tired, talking points (not Stardumber-and-dumber's original thoughts) based upon asswipe lies and faulty representation in this last bit? "Acorn, Acorn, Acorn, prostitutes, prostitutes, prostitutes . . . unfair, unfair, unfair, the world is a bad place, Obama is President, I believe he is evil, I'm going to eat a worm and die!"

    Someone is conveniently forgetting the rampant Republican-generated grass roots voter fraud in Florida during Bush II's first campaign. Even Pat Buchanan admitted that no nice Jewish grandmother would have ever voted for him if it had not been for the way the candidates' names were misaligned on the ballots in many counties. Then there were the "You can't vote" folks who denied thousands the right to vote because, despite two forms of legal and correct identification, they had been mysteriously removed from the voting lists because they were dead -- even though they were alive and kicking with two forms of ID. But that's the way it is in Florida. You miss one time at the ballot box to vote on a bond issue, and you're considered dead. In some cases it was just because of an obvious typo on the rolls that had never been there before, hence Tucker Baggard Johnson showed up on the rolls as Tuker Baggard Johnson or maybe Tucker Baggard Johnsen. This is not a "talking point" or a fabrication created to make me or anyone else feel good. It was an illegal travesty and a very real (not imaginary) blatant misuse and fraudulent exploitation of the voting system.

    Someone told you who to think. You're incapable of a genuine thought. The blah, blah and blah never ceases with this kid.

    Starpooper? I bet if you look under your bed (or futon on the floor) you'll find a "liberal" gnashing teeth waiting to bite off your toes. :biggrin1::biggrin1::biggrin1::biggrin1:
     
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    You can bring a horse to water...
    I even typed it out for you and provided a link. How blind are you? Here it is again - Southern states used literacy tests as part of an effort to deny suffrage to African American and other minorities prior to Johnson-era civil rights laws. It was used widely during election time to deny African Americans and minorities the right to vote.

    Sadly, if you were the educated type that COULD pass a literacy test, you wouldn't make it a point to talk yourself into so many circles and end up with such an ignorant remark. From suggesting that Progressives want illegal aliens to vote in this country (which only make 12 Million people grand total who make no overall threat to the voting process numerically), to suggesting that our school system don't even talk about the US Constitution or our Founding Fathers anymore which is an absolute, bald face LIE. They just don't shove it down people's throats like it's holy scripture, nor treat the Founding Fathers as if they were saints or angels considering some of them even owned slaved.

    So by the time you had the unmitigated gall to say you'd embrace a black dude that had your values (knowing that the mass majority of black people who consider themselves conservative or Republican would be far more progressive than hard right), you already exposed yourself to being a lying son of a bitch who doesn't know what the fuck you're talking about anymore. And don't pander to Progressives or minorities either... we KNOW you'd never VOTE for them. Or do you think Colin Powell, Michael Steele or even Condoleeza Rice would even humor the idea of a nationwide literacy test for voting rights? Even these prominent, African American Conservatives wouldn't be that stupid to commit such an act of political suicide.

    Please refrain from joining these discussions any further, as it's painfully obvious that you don't even understand how unbelievably bigoted your own text really is. :rolleyes:
     
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    Bullshit. Bullshit... muthafuckin' BULLSHIT. Sometimes, it's best to keep your ideologies out of some Political battles and look at actual facts. It is clearly documented, in MANY history books, some written before we were even born, that in the South they used their own form of a "literacy test" to try and deny the rights of African Americans and minorities the right to vote. You can't rewrite this, without looking extremely ignorant and stupid in the process. That's part of our history whether you like it or not.

    Tancredo's response refers to that part history. And let's not act as if this is just a random verbal gaffe by Tancredo either. Or did you forget that he compared the National Council of La Raza to the Ku Klux Klan just last year? Or that he referred to Sotomayor as a racist? Or that he defended the character of a person by the name of Marcus Epstein in 2007 who got too drunk one night, accidently ran into a black woman, and assaulted her while calling her a nigger? You got any blind, neo-conservative spin to this history as well? I'll can go on for days with this. Watch who the fuck you're trying to defend here. :mad:

    Besides, considering that we have MANY full blooded American people right now, including many conservatives, who don't even know how many stars are on the United States flag, the names of the three Legislative branches of Government or what Socialism means, do you even want to risk losing more of your precious voting block of paranoids come election time? Think about it. :rolleyes:

    The keynote speaker for the Tea Party Convention didn't even know what the Bush Doctrine was when she was running for Vice President. She REPRESENTS and perpetuates the same kind of illiterate people. The only difference is that she has no minorities in her audience. :rolleyes:

    Why the hell should THEY be voting then?

    You don't know half the time either, past the overly generalized bullet points. :rolleyes:

    Congratulations on your ill-witted attempt to defend a documented and blatant racist for your conservative, ideological bullshit. Now kindly, sit in the corner with the rest of the socially ignorant assholes and refrain from talking. BF2K was looking pretty lonely over there in the corner anyhow. :rolleyes:
     
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    VinylBoy, let Luka tell you something-You spend too much time in politics forum!!!
    You need to be with me, and cuddle!!!:wink::redface::wink::redface::wink::redface:
     
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    stantransvestor has spoken.........bow down to her highness
     
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    Civics literacy tests are a shameful reminder of the racist past of the south. They were intended to keep people of color from voting, plain and simple. Shame on any adult who thinks they are a good idea today. I have NO Desire to debate this issue.I find this thread extremely sad.
     
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    you do realize you just described sarah palin, and 99% of her supporters, right?

    round up 500 of your most ardent tea-baggers and give them your "civil literacy test" and you'll see a 90% fail rate.
     
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    Literacy test - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    As used by the states, the literacy test gained infamy as a means for denying suffrage to African Americans. Adopted by a number of southern states, the literacy test was applied in a patently unfair manner, as it was used to disfranchise many literate southern blacks while allowing many illiterate southern whites to vote. The literacy test, combined with other discriminatory requirements, effectively disfranchised the vast majority of African Americans in the South from the 1890s until the 1960s. Southern states abandoned the literacy test only when forced to by federal legislation in the 1960s.
     
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    tom and sarah can can hook their stars to this teabaggin wagon, I can't help but think it will help them implode all the sooner.
     
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    That's what makes it all the more ridiculous. Hitler wasn't an Aryan and yet he promoted Aryan supremacy.
    I used to hear Cubans in Miami complaining about Haitian refugees and saying that they should be sent back. I couldn't believe what they were saying and apparently neither could this young Cuban guy. He yelled at them that they had a lot of nerve since they weren't natives themselves.
    Racism isn't rational.
     
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    R.I.F. (Reading Is Fundamental)
    What this has to do with race is that the Civics Literacy Test is what was used in the Jim Crow South to prohibit black folks from voting(VB stated this in his post). If Tancredo had his way then a lot of blacks wouldn't have been able to vote in the 2008 election and Obama might not have won. You see, buddy, the majority of blacks tend to vote Democratic and so the Republican Party has a habit of trying to keep the black voter turnout low. If you like I will be glad to provide you details of how this is done although I'm sure you would ignore those reports as well.
    Now on to the rest of your diatribe...

    The educational system is the mess that it is for many reasons. One of those reasons in Florida is the FCAT test which is a part of the "No Child Left Behind" mess. This test is used to determine a grade for each school. It's so important for funding that every school puts all emphasis on preparing for it. Because of this, subjects such as history and civics are overlooked. The only subjects that matter are reading, science, and math. Children are being taught to take tests, not to think. I thank God that when I was in school this test did not exist. As a student in the Gifted program I was able to begin studying government as early as the 3rd grade. By the time my regular classmates took Government and Economics in the 12th grade I'd had a nine year head start.

    As to the mainstream media being corporate controlled I would have to agree. And don't forget that Fox News falls into this category as well. Maybe this is why a lot of people use many sources to get their news and not just one network with it's "fair and balanced" viewpoint?


     
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