WTF is up with Tom Tancredo?

[StormfrontFL]

As usual, spin, spin, spin.



A cvil literacy test is simply designed to evaluate an individuals knowledge of government.

Why should someone that has absolutely no comprehension of the government, how the government works, what the government does, what the' gov't is comprised of, or anything relating to the governement - why in the hell should they be voting?

They don't even know what they re voting for. These people don't even know who the candidates are and are being told what to do for every option.

In affect, they aren't voting at all. They are allowing their bodies to be used to casts votes for the agendas of their handlers/bribers/ACORN. It is very similar to prostitution, but more dangerous to the general public.

It is a blatant misuse and fraudulent exploitation of the voting system.

I figured that the libs would create some type of race issue with this guy Tancredo - who has been outspoken his entire career.

Why am I not surprised that our "Not So Shining Star" refuses to see what is right in front of his nose? Defending Jim Crow now? So sad.

As for his constant whining about ACORN, let's take a look into the many documented cases of organized Republican voter fraud...


The BRAD BLOG : BREAKING: CA GOP Vote Registration Contractor Arrested for Registration Fraud, Perjury

Here you'll see a laundry list of Republican wrongdoing although I'm sure that "Star" will attempt to spin it differently. He does so much spinning he must constantly be dizzy.

 

[BF2K]

the difference between now and those days is that most blacks have the opportunity to have an education.

 

[thadjock]

the difference between now and those days is that most blacks have the opportunity to have an education.

most? maybe that's tru in france, but i wouldn't say most blacks have the opportunity for quality education in the US, there are still cultural and institutional barriers that make the drop out rate among african americans very high in this country.

The public school system in the US is funded by the government and tax money and for the most part it doesn't serve urban and inner city students very well, and that includes a large number of blacks. anybody that thinks race isn't still a factor in education is kidding themselves. People are trying to fix what the government has screwed up by starting charter schools, deamnding the right to send their kids to better schools.

 

[D_Martin van Burden]

the difference between now and those days is that most blacks have the opportunity to have an education.

Right, just as people have a right to an attorney provided free of charge if they cannot afford representation for themselves. But that doesn't mean said counsel is competent to argue in trial either.

Public education is, for the most part, compulsory, but it certainly isn't equal. And it isn't even enough to say that some schools are just richer than others. You have to pull the lens back even more to examine patterns of segregation in residential housing, neighborhoods, and trends of suburbanization. People who don't have the means often do get left behind in life in general. Some flowers break out through the concrete; most don't, and most of them are of the brown persuasion. You're right. There's a school somewhere in a given ghetto. But that school certainly isn't attracting the best and brightest teachers (save for those Michelle Pfeiffer-like altruistic souls) and there is a lot of environmental stress that gets in the way of learning and getting out.

Either way, I'm all for Tancredo's remark. If we were to seriously institute a literacy test or a civics knowledge test, there would be just as many uneducated whites failing that thing too. I love how these dumb mother fuckers are getting on TV and thumping the Constitution on their chests while selectively cherry-picking some Amendments out of context. Do they know that poll taxes were eliminated by the 24th Amendment, and literacy tests outlawed by the Civil Rights Act?

 

[B_starinvestor]

Besides, considering that we have MANY full blooded American people right now, including many conservatives, who don't even know how many stars are on the United States flag, the names of the three Legislative branches of Government or what Socialism means, do you even want to risk losing more of your precious voting block of paranoids come election time? Think about it.

Regardless of what party the ignoramus resides, I still can't see why they should vote if they don't even know what the hell the candidates are standing for. Its like applying for a driver's license when you don't have a car and never intend on driving.

The keynote speaker for the Tea Party Convention didn't even know what the Bush Doctrine was when she was running for Vice President. She REPRESENTS and perpetuates the same kind of illiterate people. The only difference is that she has no minorities in her audience.

Okay - but not knowing what the Bush Doctrine entails is a helluva lot different than not knowing anything about government.

I'm not suggesting the attendees at a Tea Party are brilliant about the functioning of government. However, at least they stand for a few things - such as reducing the deficit, reducing big government, etc., etc.

At least stand for something, instead of being herded into the voting precinct like cattle and instructed what to do.

Congratulations on your ill-witted attempt to defend a documented and blatant racist for your conservative, ideological bullshit. Now kindly, sit in the corner with the rest of the socially ignorant assholes and refrain from talking. BF2K was looking pretty lonely over there in the corner anyhow.

Congratulations to you on being the unheralded king of spin. I'm not defending the guy, simply that his claim that a civil literacy test could weed out bribed votes might have some validity.

I'm sorry about what happened in the late 1800's with the literacy test.

It is now 2010. Will you ever let go of some of these things that happened long before you were even conceived?

 

[B_starinvestor]

the difference between now and those days is that most blacks have the opportunity to have an education.

To be technical, african americans have a better opportunity than whites to get an education [college] because of programs designed for minorities, scholarships, etc - meaning that many times they can be admitted with lower test scores, grades, etc.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

the difference between now and those days is that most blacks have the opportunity to have an education.

And it's the same "education" they've had access to, going back as far as when I was in school in the 70s, 80s and 90s. It's sub-par compared to other wealthier neighborhoods. This is not a black or minority thing either.

Being that I'm a METCO student... a kid that grew up in the city and was bussed to the suburbs to go to school from 1st Grade all the way through High School, I know this first hand. Keep that in mind if you think you know something about this that I may not.

What's the point of being offered an "education" if it's not a quality one that produces the type of responsible people we need in our society? Why talk about how everyone has access to the same materials, when I can walk into one school district and see up-to-date text books and the other still have history books that don't even acknowledge Hawaii as a state yet? Why even suggest that there's some kind of even playing field for today's students when the school I went into had no need for metal detectors, whereas the schools my city friends went to had this, along with multiple security guards frisking them before they went in and out every day?

Some "difference".

 

[Industrialsize]

the difference between now and those days is that most blacks have the opportunity to have an education.

The difference between then and now is that congress passed the Civil Rights Act of 64 and the Voting Rights Act of 65 effectively outlawing "literacy tests". Both Laws have been challenged and UPHELD by the Supreme Court. The fact that Tancredo Championed re-instating Literacy tests on the opening night of the Tea Party Convention and was applauded tells you exactly where many of the Tea Partiers are coming from. Shameful.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

Regardless of what party the ignoramus resides, I still can't see why they should vote if they don't even know what the hell the candidates are standing for. Its like applying for a driver's license when you don't have a car and never intend on driving.

Bullshit analogy.
Last time I checked, nobody died of an accident when someone checked off a box in a voting booth.

At least stand for something, instead of being herded into the voting precinct like cattle and instructed what to do.

You're the one that follows your "herd" of neo-conservatives more than anyone. So much in fact, that you blatantly ignore our Nation's history to defend discriminative doctrine.

Congratulations to you on being the unheralded king of spin.

That title is yours and always will be. Or do you think anyone here forgot that you were here just a week ago bitching about the lack of C-Span coverage on the Health Care Debate, in a desperate attempt to spin it to make it look like a lie about Obama regarding transparency?

You can STFU now.

I'm not defending the guy

That's questionable at this point.

simply that his claim that a civil literacy test could weed out bribed votes might have some validity.

It's against the law. Period.

I'm sorry about what happened in the late 1800's with the literacy test.

No, you're not. Which is why you're suggesting we apply those same measures today.

It is now 2010. Will you ever let go of some of these things that happened long before you were even conceived?

You're only a year older than me, stupid. The issues regarding literacy tests were going on in the 50s and 60s, and I have plenty of older friends and siblings, as well as my life partner, who can actually recall things like this happening from personal experience. Considering all of the "black panic" we've experienced over the last year or so, topics about rekindling discriminatory practices are very much relevant now.

Besides that, isn't it ironic that you can brush this off as something irrelevant because we weren't "conceived", yet have no problems going back as far as the original drafting of the Constitution, the Founding Fathers and your misguided speculations as to what they were thinking when they wrote it, to defend your bigoted ideologies? Lucky for you, the dictionary doesn't have a picture of you in reference to the word hypocrite... BUT IT SHOULD.

 

[BF2K]

sorry to be confrontational, but the asians came to the US as "slaves" to build the railroads and forced their kids to get a good education. Get oe the guilt shit and move on!!!

 

[StormfrontFL]

the difference between now and those days is that most blacks have the opportunity to have an education.

What you fail to comprehend is that the test was unfairly applied. Educated blacks were still denied the vote while illiterate whites were able to vote.

 

[thadjock]

What you fail to comprehend is that the test was unfairly applied. Educated blacks were still denied the vote while illiterate whites were able to vote.

unfortunately, the latter hasn't changed one bit

 

[StormfrontFL]

Regardless of what party the ignoramus resides, I still can't see why they should vote if they don't even know what the hell the candidates are standing for. Its like applying for a driver's license when you don't have a car and never intend on driving.



Okay - but not knowing what the Bush Doctrine entails is a helluva lot different than not knowing anything about government.

I'm not suggesting the attendees at a Tea Party are brilliant about the functioning of government. However, at least they stand for a few things - such as reducing the deficit, reducing big government, etc., etc.And if they were asked to define deficit I'm sure many of them couldn't. In interviews many of them parroted the talking points that were fed to them. When asked to elaborate they couldn't. I'm also sure that were I to list some government screw ups made by Republican administrations but attributed them to Obama many, not all, of the Tea partiers would not know the difference and would believe that it was an Obama screw up.

At least stand for something, instead of being herded into the voting precinct like cattle and instructed what to do.





Congratulations to you on being the unheralded king of spin. I'm not defending the guy, simply that his claim that a civil literacy test could weed out bribed votes might have some validity.

I'm sorry about what happened in the late 1800's with the literacy test. Selective amnesia? Try the 1960s!

It is now 2010. Will you ever let go of some of these things that happened long before you were even conceived?

Let it go and forget? Why? So that those who think like you can keep up the same old dirty tricks?
Why not tell a Jewish person to forget about the Holocaust because it happened long ago and that they need to get over it. Jeez!

 

[B_VinylBoy]

sorry to be confrontational, but the asians came to the US as "slaves" to build the railroads and forced their kids to get a good education. Get oe the guilt shit and move on!!!

The issue regarding the quality of education and how one obtains one is NOT defined by race. If you live in a poor neighborhood, you get access to a poor education. If you're near a richer neighborhood where you can get access to better schools and materials, you have a better chance at getting a more thorough one. Before you start spewing this nonsense about "guilt shit", learn the difference between a race related issue and a financially social one first. Funny how a well educated black man knows this, and a bigoted punk like yourself doesn't? So much for YOUR education.

I was lucky enough to get out of the city and go to a school in the suburbs where the quality of education is better. Most people weren't that prosperous. It took me waking up at 5:30 in the morning, commuting for almost 2 hours each way and being placed in situations where I was the only black kid in a classroom full of caucasians since I was six, but I did it nevertheless and will never feel "guilty" about it. That is something the majority of people, regardless of what color you are, would simply never be able to do just to get a High School Diploma. It takes a lot of physical and mental strength to do it, and I'd never look down upon someone as being inferior if they couldn't do it.

But don't tell me shit about working hard, son. You couldn't walk one block in my shoes. What's your excuse for being so stupid? From my standpoint, you should be glad that I'm fighting against literacy test requirements for voting rights. You'd be denied more than just access to the booth!!

 

[StormfrontFL]

To be technical, african americans have a better opportunity than whites to get an education [college] because of programs designed for minorities, scholarships, etc - meaning that many times they can be admitted with lower test scores, grades, etc.

Oh cry me a river!
Now you want to bring affirmative action into this? Only when all other factors(grades, test scores, etc.) are equal does an applicant's race become the deciding factor. And let's not try to ignore the issue of legacies when discussing college admissions. There are many highly qualified minority applicants that get passed over for admission in favor of someone with marginal abilities simply because they come from the right families.

But let's feel sorry for Star because we all know how the white man has been long persecuted and discriminated against in this country.

And before he calls me a racist he should note that my bf is white as is my paternal grandfather and several cousins

 

[StormfrontFL]

sorry to be confrontational, but the asians came to the US as "slaves" to build the railroads and forced their kids to get a good education. Get oe the guilt shit and move on!!!

Asians came as indentured servants not slaves. There also wasn't a system in place to keep them as property. There wasn't an entire economy based on keeping them as slaves either. They also didn't face rampant bigotry and prejudice for over a century did they?

As to the issue of education, all things aren't equal. Poor neighborhoods get poorer educational opportunities. I was fortunate enough to be placed in the gifted program back when I was in 1st grade. We had one teacher to every 15 students unlike my friends at the regular school that had one teacher to every 40. I was given the latest educational tools while my friends had to share textbooks.
Do you ever wonder why private schools tend to produce better educated students? More funding. Smaller class sizes. Better teachers.

 

[B_starinvestor]

Oh cry me a river!
Now you want to bring affirmative action into this? Only when all other factors(grades, test scores, etc.) are equal does an applicant's race become the deciding factor. And let's not try to ignore the issue of legacies when discussing college admissions. There are many highly qualified minority applicants that get passed over for admission in favor of someone with marginal abilities simply because they come from the right families.

That legacy stuff is barely utilized. The minority opportunities are vast. And I'm not crying - I think its great that folks are taking advantage of opportunities to expand horizons and prepare themselves for success and to have dignity and independence in life. My point is simply that opportunities are aplenty for minorities that have ambition.

But let's feel sorry for Star because we all know how the white man has been long persecuted and discriminated against in this country.

I never said that. I've never even once complained about opportunites for whites.

And before he calls me a racist he should note that my bf is white as is my paternal grandfather and several cousins

I don't play the race card. Again.

 

[BF2K]

Not at all, the Japanese were only interned during WWII and treated like enemies, most of their property was taken away from them in CA at the time.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

That legacy stuff is barely utilized. The minority opportunities are vast. And I'm not crying - I think its great that folks are taking advantage of opportunities to expand horizons and prepare themselves for success and to have dignity and independence in life. My point is simply that opportunities are aplenty for minorities that have ambition.

Honestly star, even with ambition many minorities simply do not get it. Not every minority is looking for a government grant or handout. They just want the same, quality opportunities that are present in other neighboring cities and towns. You really downplay and underestimate the struggles a lot of poor people have to go through. I'm speaking from the angle of a minority, who grew up poor and was lucky enough to "escape out of the ghetto". If you're not willing to listen from someone with the experience just because I'm a liberal, then that's your problem.

But it also disqualifies you as any reasonable voice on the subject matter. That's even BEFORE your political affiliation takes prescience.

Not at all, the Japanese were only interned during WWII and treated like enemies, most of their property was taken away from them in CA at the time.

The first Japanese started coming to this country in 1868. They were only viewed as the "enemy" after WWII since Japan was part of the Axis of Evil. The same way bigots today view all Muslims as the "enemy" because of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. Funny how the history of hate repeats itself?

And you have the nerve to be talking about issuing civics tests? Educate yourself, first. Then you can worry if Jamal can name the 50 states in one minute.

 

[StormfrontFL]

To be technical, african americans have a better opportunity than whites to get an education [college] because of programs designed for minorities, scholarships, etc - meaning that many times they can be admitted with lower test scores, grades, etc.

And this is not meant to imply that blacks are favored and whites aren't?

As for the race card, you have a history of accusing others of using race so I just felt like cutting you off at the pass.