WTF is up with Tom Tancredo?

[B_VinylBoy]

You sir may go fuck yourself.

Sorry Mr. Syringe McShrunkenballs... I already have someone willing to take care of that department. Perhaps you need to find someone to fornicate with?

I have better things to do than proofread my lpsg posts.

Which is a MAJOR tell, really it is.
Considering that you talk about how people need to pass civics tests to vote, you should at least form a coherent statement that demonstrates you could actually pass one yourself. Anyone would excuse a few spelling or sentence structure errors. However, in YOUR case... you're special!!

Call me when you have your MBA.

MBA as in Master of Business Administration, or as in Monstrously Bigoted Asshole? Please, let me know.

 

[midlifebear]

I know lots of MBAs who, despite all the time they spent in lofty Ivy League graduate business schools, can't spell their way out of a paper bag -- with a dictionary. Laugh Out Loud!

However, I know more MAs who not only can spell, but also coordinate subordinate clauses, avoid dangling modifiers, know when to use commas, colons, semi-colons, and can compose cogent well-formed sentences. And most of them know how to do all of that in English as well as another language.

The thing I find remarkable is that even my own parents, plain old dirt farmers with no more than high school educations obtained in the 1930s, were excellent writers who could spell as well as they worked hard. And they worked damn hard.

So, for those of you getting all snitty about "The Grammar Police," get used to it. That's what you get for not paying attention in school -- or worse, not realizing that how you write what you pompously flaunt as the "official language" of the USA reflects directly upon your level of education or lack thereof. "Official language" -- what a major comedy that is.

 

[midlifebear]

But let's get back to the Trancredo threat. Anyone catch this editorial by Rachael (the strangely man-like) Maddow. For those who aren't aware, that's how she often describers herself. Anyway, the following Youtube link is informative and a good history lesson for people like Starpooper who think voting literacy tests are a good idea.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pi7bpysGBYM

But Starpooper wasn't alive in 1965, thinks all this took place in the 1800s, and didn't pay that much attention in school. So, of course to him "It's lies! All lies!"

 

[thadjock]

But let's get back to the Trancredo threat. "

yeah i agree, stop with the pissing match.

i don't consider myself any kind of character assessment savant, but all you have to do is watch this guy speak for 5 min and you know he's not right. he's got creepy liar written all over him.

after i saw the sarah p speech and interview, I thought oh this is great, even after all this time on the national stage she hasn't upped her game AT ALL. still just completely vacant mouthpiece. a political blow up doll.

I felt relieved. there's no way she would actually get elected to anything.

but a few seconds later fear struck when it occurred to me, her lack of substance doesn't matter to ANY of her supporters. they WILL vote for a blowup doll.

 

[midlifebear]

yeah i agree, stop with the pissing match.

i don't consider myself any kind of character assessment savant, but all you have to do is watch this guy speak for 5 min and you know he's not right. he's got creepy liar written all over him.

after i saw the sarah p speech and interview, I thought oh this is great, even after all this time on the national stage she hasn't upped her game AT ALL. still just completely vacant mouthpiece. a political blow up doll.

I felt relieved. there's no way she would actually get elected to anything.

but a few seconds later fear struck when it occurred to me, her lack of substance doesn't matter to ANY of her supporters. they WILL vote for a blowup doll.

And if she figures out how to fetch a beer and give a collective blow job WE'RE SCREWED!!!!!! :frown1:

 

[vince]

yeah i agree, stop with the pissing match.

i don't consider myself any kind of character assessment savant, but all you have to do is watch this guy speak for 5 min and you know he's not right. he's got creepy liar written all over him.

after i saw the sarah p speech and interview, I thought oh this is great, even after all this time on the national stage she hasn't upped her game AT ALL. still just completely vacant mouthpiece. a political blow up doll.

I felt relieved. there's no way she would actually get elected to anything.

but a few seconds later fear struck when it occurred to me, her lack of substance doesn't matter to ANY of her supporters. they WILL vote for a blowup doll.

Nail. On. Head. That is the appeal of Palin. She's as dumb as they are and they know it and they love her for that very fact. Her public is catty like her and actually willfully ignorant of the world.

That line, "How's that hopey changey thing going for ya?" in the catty tone says it all. She is the personification of a gossipy bitchy soccer mom. She really turns my stomach.

 

[houtx48]

"How's that hopey changey thing going for ya?...........better than that Bushy/Chaney thang. I would say that the people of Colorado must be so proud of Tommy boy Tancredo.

 

[D_Gunther Snotpole]

The virtue of democracy is that the people go to the common to elect the uncommon.
But sumpin's upside down now.
The rednecks go to the common to elect the uncommonly common ... the Achilles' heel of populism.
With Palin in the room, they don't have to look far.

 

[hung9mike]

Wickapedia [sic]: English is an official language in these states: Florida (among others)

Certainly true, it's in Florida's constitution. (Article II, Section 9) I guess that explains why I see 3 languages at the DMV and at the ballot box.

 

[hung9mike]

"How's that hopey changey thing going for ya?" in the catty tone says it all.

It demonstrates how cynical and thoroughly unqualified for office she is. Actually, it's an indictment of the entire Republican party, whose cynicism seems to have no bounds.

 

[StormfrontFL]

Certainly true, it's in Florida's constitution. (Article II, Section 9) I guess that explains why I see 3 languages at the DMV and at the ballot box.

So true Mike. English may be the official language of Florida but it's not the only language. Spanish is the de facto second language. Federal law overrules state so all Federal ballots must be multilingual. In addition since so many of Florida politicians are Latino what are the odds that they would support any attempts to disenfranchise Spanish speaking voters?

 

[midlifebear]

Franco, the fascist dictator the USA was kind enough to leave in power over Spain although such a political despot was not allowed to lead any other post WWII reconstituted Western European democracy, made it illegal for catalunyans (the folks who speak catalá) to print, read, and speak their native language in public. As late as 1973-74 people were still arrested -- and sometimes put to death -- simply for speaking their native tongue. Nope. The "official" language was castellano (Spanish) and everyone had to speak it. IT WAS THE LAW!

When I first arrived in Barcelona in the 1990s my students, and especially my adult education students from 65 to 85 years-old, insisted that catalá would completely die out with their deaths. It's 2010 (in case "English only" folks haven't noticed) and catalá is now spoken by at least 50% or the region's population while 80% of the native population understand it. Now the local city governments offer free classes to anyone who is interested in learning or improving their catalá -- and that includes tourists who show up from all over the world. Catalá is also taught in all public (and most private) schools, but it is not compulsory. It's a rather interesting language which is also spoken in Sardinia (not part of Spain) and some folks who inhabit other parts of the Mediterranean.

So, if Franco couldn't stamp out the regional language of the Autonomous Region of Cataluyna there is no way jingoist yahoos in the USA will ever "force" English to be the only language spoken in the USA -- "official" or not. It's just another non-issue the loony fringe neo cons and Independents -- and the downright paranoid and skeered -- posture about to prove THEY are more 'Mericuhn than the rest of us. :smile:

 

[conntom]

There are white who can not pass the civics literacy test or a regular literacy test.

If you are only voting so that it permits you to get things for free - people of any color - I'm not so sure you should be voting.

I also think that you should be third generation American before voting as well.

There is nothing racist about these things. Anyone willing to come here, work, obey the laws and understand the value of their voting beyond what benefit they can vote themselves deserves respect.

There are "minorities" who are in the tea bag movement. They have my respect for their appreciation of American values and their strength of character to avoid the current group think that they must be democrats.

I put "minorities" in q marks because whites are not a majority in the world - only in certain countries. I don't feel they should be made to feel guilty for that.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

There are white who can not pass the civics literacy test or a regular literacy test.

But they weren't denied the right to vote.

If you are only voting so that it permits you to get things for free - people of any color - I'm not so sure you should be voting.

Then nobody should vote at all.

I also think that you should be third generation American before voting as well.

Also discriminatory, especially for those immigrants who actually come to this country legally, become a citizen and pay taxes. Why should they be denied the right to vote, and why should they be forced to produce three generations of offspring before they're allowed the privilege? That's not even taking into consideration the rights of gays & lesbians who move into this country.

There is nothing racist about these things.

You're just telling two generations of legal immigrants, gays and lesbians that they should not be allowed to vote. Maybe not racist in the color sense of the word, but still extremely bigoted.

There are "minorities" who are in the tea bag movement.

The entire movement is a minority.

They have my respect for their appreciation of American values and their strength of character to avoid the current group think that they must be democrats.

They don't have mine. They're just a bunch of misguided, angry people who scream about excessive spending without coming up with any solutions to fix the problems, and they embrace discriminatory ideals and doctrine in their attempt to portray themselves as "real Americans". This thread (minus a couple of diversions) is geared to bring more light to the underlaying theme to the so-called "Tea Party Movement".

I don't think there's a person out there that isn't concerned about the spending in Congress. However, we all have different opinions as to how we fix the problem. Making a fuss every time you hear a cash register ring in our government doesn't solve the problem.

I put "minorities" in q marks because whites are not a majority in the world - only in certain countries. I don't feel they should be made to feel guilty for that.

And why should that even matter? Nobody here is suggesting that anyone in the Tea Party Movement should feel guilty because of their declining numbers in skin color. But they should re-examine what it is to be an American. Even with their constant referendums to the Constitution and the repeated bellowing of the words "Founding Fathers", they still think there's a set look and social behavior attached to the term "American Citizen" and they won't rest until everyone else adheres to it.

 

[hung9mike]

I also think that you should be third generation American before voting as well.

Let's see... If I understand you correctly, that would mean Mr. Tancredo would not be eligible to vote, as both sets of his grandparents came to the United States from Italy... Meaning he is only second generation American-born. Though I don't know his family story, I can hazard a guess as to when and why his grandparents came to the United States: Perhaps due to a ruinous war in Europe, leading to economic suffering? They were economic refugees? And this man has the gall to malign immigrants who come to the United States for the very same reason?

For the record, I can trace my family roots in the United States back to the mid-1600s. However, I don't think that qualifies me as more of American citizen than an immigrant who just received his citizenship yesterday. But what I think (or you think) makes no difference to how citizenship is defined in the 14th Amendment to the Constitution.

 

[dreamer20]

If you are only voting so that it permits you to get things for free - people of any color - I'm not so sure you should be voting.

I also think that you should be third generation American before voting as well.

There is nothing racist about these things. Anyone willing to come here, work, obey the laws and understand the value of their voting beyond what benefit they can vote themselves deserves respect...

They have my respect for their appreciation of American values and their strength of character to avoid the current group think that they must be democrats.

Although you claim to respect U.S. law, your arbitrary wish to deny naturalized , 1st and 2nd generation Americans, and those who vote as above the right to vote, shows you are no respecter of these citizens' lawful right to vote freely. I don't expect the tea bag movement to be successful if it too possesses the same xenophobic and dictatorial mindset.

BTW Please explain "American values" as above.

 

[1kmb1]

I also think that you should be third generation American before voting as well.

why?