Wuh oh.... kavanaugh is a #metoo

[CraigS41]

I'm perfectly happy giving obama ALL the credit for the shitty economy he left

 

[Murphys]

I'm perfectly happy giving obama ALL the credit for the shitty economy he left

You just backpeddled.

 

[CraigS41]

No I didn't. obama can have ALL the credit for tanking the econoy, and trump get's all the credit for making it BOOM

 

[Murphys]

No I didn't. obama can have ALL the credit for tanking the econoy, and trump get's all the credit for making it BOOM

In a previous message you stated: “You are partly correct that obama laid the groundwork for Trumps booming economy. Obama had it so low, there was no where to go but UP!!!” That acknowledges that Obama did - in your view - some good.

 

[CraigS41]

IF you ca possibly consider a shitty economy for almost 8 year a good thing

 

[Gj816]

Then don’t give all the credit to a Trump. Acknowledge the good done before he came in. And while he may - MAY - have done good, the way in which he conducts himself and present the US and its people on the global stage cannot be ignored.

But you're forgetting that Americans are pretty much hated everywhere until there is a war. Then they need us.

 

[Murphys]

But you're forgetting that Americans are pretty much hated everywhere until there is a war. Then they need us.

That’s not true.

And even if were, perhaps that needs to be changed. But if it were, do you that maybe Trump isn’t helping with that??

Again, I go back to my statement that the head of any country is a representation of that country’s people. So, if Trump is representing the US and its people, and he conducts himself the way he does, then is it possible that that “hatred” is well placed??

 

[tripod]

But you're forgetting that Americans are pretty much hated everywhere until there is a war. Then they need us.

The U.S. is hated because the U.S. is a bully both through it's economic power and it's military hegemony.

Most wars on the planet are started through overt and covert means to project the economic and military power of the U.S.

And by economic power, I am largely talking about U.S. corporations that require a nation to fucking HAND OVER their precious natural resources under threat of "regime change" or an invasion.

 

[Gj816]

The U.S. is hated because the U.S. is a bully both through it's economic power and it's military hegemony.

Most wars on the planet are started through overt and covert means to project the economic and military power of the U.S.

And by economic power, I am largely talking about U.S. corporations that require a nation to fucking HAND OVER their precious natural resources under threat of "regime change" or an invasion.

First World War was not started by the US neither was World War 2 but we went to war after we were attacked by Japan in 1941. America kicked ass. Jump to 9/11/01 America was attacked by terrorist. We went to war with AlQaeda , Islamic extremist. Still fighting the war on terror.

 

[TexanStar]

The U.S. is hated because the U.S. is a bully both through it's economic power and it's military hegemony.

Most wars on the planet are started through overt and covert means to project the economic and military power of the U.S.

And by economic power, I am largely talking about U.S. corporations that require a nation to fucking HAND OVER their precious natural resources under threat of "regime change" or an invasion.

World War I, World War II, and the Vietnam war were all the result of Europe, not the USA.

Gulf War I was started by Iraq.

If you want to blame a lot of the modern middle east conflicts on USA's doorstep that's fine, but generally speaking if you're talking wars that are in living memory then Europe is the primary troublemaker (especially fuckin France).

 

[TexanStar]

The U.S. is hated because the U.S. is a bully both through it's economic power and it's military hegemony.

Most wars on the planet are started through overt and covert means to project the economic and military power of the U.S.

And by economic power, I am largely talking about U.S. corporations that require a nation to fucking HAND OVER their precious natural resources under threat of "regime change" or an invasion.

Also, up to the point that Trump took office, global view of the US was pretty consistently positive (it's soured since then, but that's only the last 2 years).

 

[tripod]

First World War was not started by the US neither was World War 2 but we went to war after we were attacked by Japan in 1941. America kicked ass. Jump to 9/11/01 America was attacked by terrorist. We went to war with AlQaeda , Islamic extremist. Still fighting the war on terror.

You probably shouldn't jump through over half of a century when detailing america's coercive effect on worldwide conflicts during the 10th century.

Just sayin'.

World War I, World War II, and the Vietnam war were all the result of Europe, not the USA.

France did not in any way shape or form FORCE the U.S. into it's military involvement in Vietnam. That was 100% an American choice based on American self interests.

and obviously, I am not speaking of WWI and WWII. You should probably assume I've been through grade school.

Gulf War I was started by Iraq.

Nope. Kuwait was colluding with other Gulf countries to keep the price of oil down as low as possible to prevent Iraq from re-building their economic power after 8 disastrous years engaged in war with Iran. This was after a massive oil glut that lasted until 1986 where the Iraq government lost around $14,000,000,000 US dollars every year for 6 years. Kuwait was also a big financier of Iraq's during the Iran/Iraq war... Iraq begged Kuwait to forgive some debt because Iraq felt that they suffered an enormous toll acting on the Gulf countries' behalf halting Iranian expansionism. Kuwait refused and also refused to slow down their oil production ensuring that oil would never reach the coveted $25 per barrel mark where Iraq could benefit economically.

On top of that, Kuwait cleverly slant drilled billions of barrels of Iraqi oil... the Iraq invasion of Kuwait wasn't justified by these means, but Saddam definitely had more right to invade Kuwait than the U.S. had to invade Iraq.

Plus, our "invasion" of Iraq was due to some deliberate falsehoods spread by collusion between the U.S. mianstream-Ted Baxter-sock puppet media and the U.S. government.

There would be no Gulf War without an American invasion and the American invasion was based on a pack of lies so... not sure how you can blame the U.S. invasion of Iraq on the Iraq government.

The First Iraq War Was Also Sold to the Public Based on a Pack of Lies

The first Gulf War was sold on a mountain of war propaganda. It took a campaign worthy of George Orwell to convince Americans that our erstwhile ally Saddam Hussein — whom the US had aided in his war with Iran as late as 1988 — had become an irrational monster by 1990.

Twelve years later, the second invasion of Iraq was premised on Hussein’s supposed cooperation with al Qaeda, vials of anthrax, Nigerian yellowcake and claims that Iraq had missiles poised to strike British territory in little as 45 minutes.

Also, up to the point that Trump took office, global view of the US was pretty consistently positive (it's soured since then, but that's only the last 2 years).

Global view?!?!? You mean ask any country in NATO what they think of the U.S. right?

Let's leave out the opinions of: North Korea, Iran, Iraq, Yemen, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, China, Venezuela, Nicaragua, Panama, Honduras, El Salvador, Russia, Belarus, Serbia, Somalia (hell a good portion of Africa), a good portion of South and Central America...

but those countries aren't part of the "globe' right? Their opinions don't fucking count right?

and as far as NATO countries that are supposedly soooooo fucking in love with America...

Do me a favor, go to a country like Italy or Spain and start bragging out loud about how you are an American... and how America SAVED THEM DURING WWII...

You will get your ass beat faster than you can say "Bruschetta"

 

[b.c.]

Jobless rates are DOWN to 50 year lows, and some at ALLTIME LOWS. That alone is enough to say the country is better.

Stock Market at all time highs.

Business coming back to the country.

Tax cuts.

New trade deals where we aren't getting fucked in the ass without any lube.

Other countries in NATO starting to pay for our protection.

The end of hostilities from North Korea and optimistic outlook of their denuclearization.

Removing stupid regulations.

Removal from the Paris Accord.

Removal from the Iran Deal.

Rebuilding of our Military after obama gutting it for 8 years.

And the list goes on.

How is his "Conduct" not up to standards?

And just about ALL of it, b.s. right winged spin.

The jobless rates are lower, a continued trend from Obama's PRESIDENCY, but the minimum wage is still stagnant, thanks to Trump/GOP efforts to block increases,

Stock markets perform better in times of trouble for the average American.

Businesses are still leaving the country, and many of those that remain are paying higher prices for raw goods because of Trump's trade wars.

The so called "new" trade deal is essentially the OLD deal with Trump's name on it.

N. Korea is still secretly building nukes.

Those regulations that ----- like YOU call "stupid" are being rolled back, like those for Deepwater Horizon, for example.

Gas prices are reportedly at their highest price in FOUR years which obliterates those imaginary nickles and dimes Trump supporters THINK they're pocketing.

And the killing of the Iran Deal means they'll be getting higher.

Trump's attempts to hobble the ACA has resulted in higher costs for premiums

Consumer protections and net neutrality have been undermined.

And if you're in the market for a loan to buy a house right about now, prepare to be fucked thanks to Trump and the GOP.

Meanwhile, the GOP has written into their political platforms condemnations of same sex marriages, and their conservative led SCOTUS rules against civil rights protections for 100% gay people like YOU.

And while the representatives of other nations laughed in YOUR president's face, HE has to give American farmers a 20 million dollar BAILOUT because of HIS trade wars.

And the list goes on.

NINE of the last TEN recessions occurred under a Republican administration.

So keep on believing the GOP bullshit.

 

[b.c.]

Reich-winged defenders of Kavanaugh are hell bent on hijacking this thread for just about every f--------- that crosses the brain, however:

Former Supreme Court Justice—lifelong Republican—says Kavanaugh's testimony should disqualify him

More than 1,700 law professors have signed this letter asking U.S. Senate to reject Kavanaugh

A Culture of Secrecy Is Helping Propel Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court – Mother Jones

 

[CraigS41]

Keep getting your "Facts" from liberal media

 

[b.c.]

Keep getting your "Facts" from liberal media

And keep drinking that reich-winged KOOL-AID. "It's got ELECTROLYTES!"

 

[CraigS41]

You've been drinking MORE than your fair share of that

 

[b.c.]

You've been drinking MORE than your fair share of that

Really? And which of my rebuttals to your b.s. list of "trump accomplishments" is in error?

 

[Klingsor]

I'm for him because he's the the right man for the job in that he follows the Constitution. The fat that the left goes crazy is just added bonus

What about the fact that Kavanaugh goes crazy?

 

[CraigS41]