Yet another shooting

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@VinylBoy - having been a former resident of the Socialist Republic of Manhattan, your queer hypocrisy just reminds me of why I got out. You are only interested in yourself, your gay brethren, and your insular world. You have no idea of the concerns or rights of others around you. Enjoy living in your fantasy.

Slurs against his sexuality (and mine) make for a great debate. :mad:
 

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let me answer many of those questions.

THE SYSTEM IS BROKE DOWN. TOO MANY OF THOSE ELECTED OFFICIALS HAVE BEEN FIDDLE FUCKING FOREVER AND NOT DOING THEIR JOB. A PURE EXAMPLE IS THE IRAQ WAR. HOW IN THE FUCK COULD THAT HAVE HAPPENED.

we are a country of guns and that will not change nor will the selling of guns to the mentally challenged. the reason is lack of leadership, greed, schooling, parenting our children, irresponsibility of business owners, not just gun shops. just why china took over our economy, india is next, did you watch dan rather on the 18th? we don't know how to do business anymore except for big corps that got rich here and moved elsewhere but sell there products here.

we can start with going to small public gatherings like the one held in AZ. where the congresswoman got shot and tell our elected officials we demand to be heard and demand that do as promised or be fired. congressmens terms are to long, benifits are to good. they are there to serve for us not for the bs pension they get. even the small amount of good elected officials turn bad after being in congress a few years.

just like our military, they give up years of their life to serve for the country why are the elected officials different? soldiers return home with bs health care from va centers, no pensions and no jobs. elected officials get special treatment and all the bennies and have done nothing to solve the problems in this country. thats why the tucson massacre happened. you take someone who is half lit or a half wit and cram bs up his ass then your going to get more massacres.

all the good parenting and schooling goes out the window when all someone hears is bs coming from the great leaders we have. you tell me we haven't found a way to have some mental test for gun buyers before we sell them a gun. what the fuck have they been doing. how many years ago did we put a man on the moon?

if we can't correct DC, then we can't correct anything. everyone talks, e-mails, twitter, facebook about the problems but we do nothing. do you think the elected officials read this or listen, BS, no transparency at all.

it's time to get on the bus, 1000's of them, go to DC and demand. bs'ing here will not do anything but get limp dicks, just like those in DC.

Either get on the bus or buy a fucking gun. The system is broke down!
 

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Do you also refuse to answer when your auto insurance company asks whether you use your car for business or for pleasure? Seriously, what's the big deal? You buy a gun for sport, for hunting, for personal protection, for assassinating politicians, whatever. Check a box, lie if you must, move on with your purchase and your life.

Do you have to specify how you're going to vote before going into the voting booth? A right negates the necessity to explain why you are going to exercise that right.

So what? Despite your sourcing of the Second and Tenth Amendment, there's still a major problem in this country in regards to gun ownership and violence. It's so glaring that even former vice president Dick Cheney agrees with his usual political opposition that some form of regulation is needed now. Our government has the right to amend or write further laws to ensure that all of the rights to the Constitution are enforced. That includes the rights for people who decide not to own a gun and their right to live without having to worry too much about a stray bullet coming from someone else's gun and hitting them.

Any tool, in the hands of any individual, can be deadly. Besides the fact that you're more likely to die everytime you enter your vehicle and drive down the road - your "solution" will do nothing to stop the true offenders (i.e. street gangs, criminals) who will purchase their guns illegally anyways.

It's been stated many of times before, and it'll be stated again. Nobody is taking anyone's rights to own a gun away. This is the most disingenuous argument about gun control and needs to stop.

That is simply not true. By over-bureaucracizing a right, you impede an individual's right to exercise it freely. By your justification, things such as "Poll Taxes" are not impeding anyone's right to vote.

Oh fuck off and stay on topic. The fact that I'm gay has nothing to do with this. That is, unless you want to think that somehow it's only gay people that choose not to own a gun. And you'd learn very quickly by hanging around here this is not the case. Now, do you want to continue talking the real issues or do you want to foolishly imply that sucking dick impedes a person's ability to view political issues thoroughly?

The fact you're gay has EVERYTHING to do with it. On the one hand you demand government stay off your back with issues that matter to you, but on the other hand you demand they intrude into other people's lives freely. That is the definition of Hypocrisy.
 

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BSJock, You smell libertarian from here. That is just fine. However, you keep reading things into other folks' posts that isn't there. Quit giving us bi's a reputation for irrationality please. Calm the blankity blank down.

Nobody wants to give up their vote or their guns the way they did their privacy rights under the so-called Patriot Act, just to be treated like equals in their love lives.

The topic of the thread is people getting shot by other people, at which point I would love to have people getting arrested. The cops get paid for out of our taxes, yes? They have plenty of laws to arrest the shooter with already.
 

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In Buenos Aires it is extremely difficult to buy and own a gun. But it is possible. However, once you buy and own one you are tracked for the rest of your life. Despite this, every day for the past two weeks juveniles have been killed in shoot outs with police, robbed and then killed someone (usually a pre-teem girl). Yesterday two juveniles broke into a house in a gated community, killed the parents and their 13 year-old boy making off with the equivalent of US $21. Today, three brothers were killed in Mar del Plata. The police, who all carry guns, are rarely if ever at fault.

So, what good does it do to own a gun when it seems to attract attention from young kids who don't know any better and have no idea of the consequence of using a gun?
 

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A right negates the necessity to explain why you are going to exercise that right.
lol... Yeah right, government has no ability to regulate anything. Try feeding this line to the anti-abortion and anti-gay rights types, and see what they think about your sweeping reinvention of how the American system of government works.
 

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A Comment:

Whenever the issue of gun ownership in the USA is raised, there is a chorus of vehement support for the right to own guns. That gun ownership is a "Constitutional right" is invariably the rallying cry. But......

The US Constitution ratified in 1787 was silent as to gun ownership. The Constitution was amended later, to include the provision that is now embraced by pro-gun folks. As such, the Constitution could most certainly be amended again, to the tune of restricting or even abolishing the "right" to own a gun.

FYI
 

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Do you have to specify how you're going to vote before going into the voting booth? A right negates the necessity to explain why you are going to exercise that right.
Your comparison is false, illogical and absurd. Again:

Any tool, in the hands of any individual, can be deadly. Besides the fact that you're more likely to die everytime you enter your vehicle and drive down the road -
Are you also opposed to vehicle registrations? Drivers' licenses? Driving tests? Learners' permits?
Driver education and training?

- your "solution" will do nothing to stop the true offenders (i.e. street gangs, criminals) who will purchase their guns illegally anyways.
Since I haven't articulated my "solution", it's premature for you to dismiss the effectiveness of what I might propose. This is further proof that you are locked inside the echo chamber of a closed authoritarian mind and unwilling and/or incapable of even considering another point of view.

The fact you're gay has EVERYTHING to do with it. On the one hand you demand government stay off your back with issues that matter to you, but on the other hand you demand they intrude into other people's lives freely. That is the definition of Hypocrisy.
And again, your comparison is false, illogical and absurd. You're grasping at straws, strawman.

Once again:

You completely ignore the substance of my posts, and you refuse to respond to any of the many questions I've posed to directly challenge your position.

Such as:
So . . . . do you think we should just do away with criminal background checks entirely because you were personally 'inconvenienced'?
I think we can now safely conclude those questions are rhetorical. Your understanding of Constitutional law is naive and immature to say the least. There is no logic in your reasoning. You draw twisted analogies and craft absurd arguments, no matter how ridiculous and/or irrelevant, in a desperate attempt to support an authoritarian absolutist position that is unsupportable and indefensible. As I noted:
You sound like a Second Amendment absolutist. If that's your position, there is no way to have a rational discussion with you.
End of story. End of discussion.
 
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The fact you're gay has EVERYTHING to do with it. On the one hand you demand government stay off your back with issues that matter to you, but on the other hand you demand they intrude into other people's lives freely. That is the definition of Hypocrisy.

Wow!!! LOL!!! Tell me, how many shots of tequila do you need to have on a daily basis in order to come up with such a ridiculous assessment? The fact that you make such broad, sweeping generalizations about gay people and willingly place me in that same box of bigoted ignorance you've concocted in your feeble mind makes you thoroughly unqualified to talk about this matter. Not all gay people think alike... and if you'd put aside your ignorance for a few posts you'd realize that. Alas, you're not even worthy of my time to find that out about me... and I'd advise all other gay & lesbian people to avoid talking to you to since it would be an obvious waste of time.

On a side note, can someone tell me why there's a surge in societally bigoted members signing onto this board? When did the "S" in LPSG stand for "Stormfront"? :rolleyes:
 

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@VinylBoy - Stormfront? I'm sorry, I wasn't familiar with that and had to look it up. It's sad to see that you're reinforcing the stereotype of black men as angry and unintelligent.
 

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@VinylBoy - Stormfront? I'm sorry, I wasn't familiar with that and had to look it up. It's sad to see that you're reinforcing the stereotype of black men as angry and unintelligent.

So now that you realize that pressing the gay button doesn't work, you now try to press the race one as well? ROTFLMAO!!

No, sweetie, I'm far from angry. As I type this message, relaxing poolside in the beautiful country of Sao Paulo, there's really not much you could say to make me mad. As for being unintelligent, that's a laugh considering that you're the one who quickly rushed to judgement about my stance on this issue based on sexual preference and now race. You haven't even tried to debate this on the facts once, which proves that the stupid one is you.

But since I'm in a good mood and literally snickering with friends watching you try to blame the nation's problems on gays & black people, how about I humor you with a question that is not only on topic, it could also give you an ounce of credibility if you're willing to put aside your societal ignorance and answer it honestly.

And here it is - If you think gay men are hypocrites for wanting government to enforce equal treatment for gays & lesbians while exercising some level of restrictions to the types of guns people can own in this country, what makes you less of a hypocrite for wanting the exact opposite? Case in point, one of the stipulations for gun control is to limit the number of rounds certain guns can fire. Do you honestly think you need a gun that shoots 30 rounds of ammo to protect yourself from some fictional intruder who is going to break into your home and steal your stuff? If you do, then you don't know how to aim and shouldn't own a gun anyhow since you're much more likely to hit innocent bystanders than the crook who's after your PS3 and flat screen. And why should innocent people, who are also protected by the same rights as you so unintelligently exploit for your own paranoidal needs, get hurt or killed just for that? OK, that was a second & third question... consider those a gift since I don't really have any confidence in you addressing either in a sensible matter.

Also, do keep in mind... not a single person who is talking about gun control legislation are making suggestions that impede on your right to own one. So before you dishonestly (or ignorantly) claim that we're trying to take your toys away, remember this was already said so when you go there I can cite you for your inability to read. Don't let me down now, OK? :rolleyes:
 
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Haha, but a reference to Stormfront when replying to my post isn't? PLEASE!
You're not big on context, are you? VB's reference was a metaphor for bigoted right-wing authoritarian mindsets directed at a general trend among recent arrivals to the forum. Despite your disingenuous and intentionally distractive phrasing, your homophobic and now racist intent is transparent and becoming increasingly clear. You blatantly ignore considerable and substantial challenges to your position. Rather than respond directly, rather than offer any substance of your own, rather than debating on the merits, you drag in stereotypes and tortured false analogies based on race and sexual orientation -completely irrelevant to the topic being discussed.

Let's review:
All of you advocating for more restrictive gun control are hypocrites. You want government off your back for being gay/bi, but you expect them to over-exert themselves in this area.
@VinylBoy - having been a former resident of the Socialist Republic of Manhattan, your queer hypocrisy just reminds me of why I got out. You are only interested in yourself, your gay brethren, and your insular world. You have no idea of the concerns or rights of others around you. Enjoy living in your fantasy.
The fact you're gay has EVERYTHING to do with it.
@VinylBoy - Stormfront? I'm sorry, I wasn't familiar with that and had to look it up. It's sad to see that you're reinforcing the stereotype of black men as angry and unintelligent.
To borrow a quote:
Shameful.
I don't predict a long future for you around here.
 
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@VinylBoy - Stormfront? I'm sorry, I wasn't familiar with that and had to look it up. It's sad to see that you're reinforcing the stereotype of black men as angry and unintelligent.
It's even sadder to see that after decades of fighting for equality, blacks STILL have to put up with racist cowards like you making an issue of the color of their skin when you can't win a debate on its merits.
 

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A reference to Stormfront is an apparent reference to white nationalism. He was being a total racist, and I called him out on it. Go suck some dicks.
 

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^Umm, continuing to hijack the discussion with yet another personal attack really isn't helping your situation.

I suggest you read this website's Terms of Service again if you intend to remain a member here much longer. The mods are particularly stringent in this subforum.
 

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A reference to Stormfront is an apparent reference to white nationalism. He was being a total racist, and I called him out on it. Go suck some dicks.

Sounds like you should suck one first. That way your attitudes towards "teh gayz" wouldn't be so hostile.

Referencing Stormfront was a tongue in cheek response that has been referenced by many people here based on the ignorant responses by some of our beloved "newbies", despite their skin color. I'm certainly not the only one who has done it. But hey, if you want to add insult to injury let it be known that my life partner of the last 6+ years (going on seven in two more months) is white. So if you think I hate white people (which I'm sure you do), I'll make sure to tell him that yet another anonymous internet troll thinks so. That way we'll both get a good laugh before we go to bed.

You had three times to redeem yourself. That was strike four. Be gone with your ignorant self. :rolleyes: