You Cant Publish Public Information

[ponybilt]

In another assault to freedom of information (ref. FOIA denials to access Bush's service records), the Secret Service, a la KGB tactics, is now investigating a small web site's owners for publishing a list of GOP delegates to the RNC in NYC this this week.

"... But federal law enforcement officials, speaking on condition of anonymity because the probe is active, said there were concerns that posting of the delegate lists could subject the delegates to harassment, acts of violence or identity theft."

Posting of Delegate Information

And yet, this same group of people believe it's OK to provide the names of doctors and employees of clinics that provide abortions to the more extreme right wing faction, resulting in the shooting and bombing deaths of 23 doctors, law officers, non-medical employees, and bystanders from 1991 to 1998. But apparently that's free speech according to the courts.

Most of these murders were the result of names, addresses, and photos being published online at the Nuremberg Files, where GW Bush is a supporter. Bush supports extremist activity even though he once paid for a girlfriend to get an abortion, as published in the New York Daily News.

Freedom of information isn't ever as free as we'd like.

 

[jonb]

Welcome to the world of the "Right of Free Speach [sic] ™", the fictional 'right' to say whatever you want but only as long as no one else says anything which offends you. An example of Free Speach ™ would be a spammer's right to send emails to 4194304 different addresses, but I don't have the right to complain about him to his ISP.

 

[tracksuitboy]

Originally posted by ponybilt@Aug 30 2004, 10:11 PM
But apparently that's free speech according to the courts.

Sounds more like "accessory to murder".

 

[tracksuitboy]

Originally posted by ponybilt@Aug 30 2004, 10:11 PM
even though he once paid for a girlfriend to get an abortion

Sorry to ask a dumb-ass question Pony, but is this rumour or proven fact?

 

[jonb]

Well, what about threatening to kill Bill Clinton? Jesse Helms, Lyndon LaRouche, and God knows how many else all threatened to kill Clinton, and none of them were ever jailed for it, even though threatening to kill the president is expressly illegal. (And they really should've enforced it; Clinton holds the record for number of known assassination attempts within one term: Over 300 in his 1993-97 term.)

 

[mindseye]

Originally posted by tracksuitboy+Sep 1 2004, 05:04 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (tracksuitboy @ Sep 1 2004, 05:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-ponybilt@Aug 30 2004, 10:11 PM
even though he once paid for a girlfriend to get an abortion

Sorry to ask a dumb-ass question Pony, but is this rumour or proven fact? [/b][/quote]
It&#39;s an &#39;unproven fact&#39;.


What we do know is that George W. Bush&#39;s former girlfriend, Robin Lowman, once confided to friends that George had gotten her pregnant and helped her get a safe, confidential abortion (Bush and Lowman dated prior to Roe v. Wade, and abortion was not legal in Texas at the time).

These friends have produced sworn affidavits of the story that Lowman once told them. Legally, they&#39;re hearsay, since the friends didn&#39;t eyewitness the abortion directly. But their affidavits agree with one another in enough details to corroborate one another.

It&#39;s possible, of course, that Lowman was lying. But she admitted breaking the law -- not the sort of accomplishment you&#39;d make up and boast to your friends. And she&#39;d have had to be a good enough liar to keep her story consistent from one friend to another.

Lowman herself has refused comment on the matter. At least one of Lowman&#39;s friends have reported being threatened by James R. Bath -- infamous to those who&#39;ve watched Fahrenheit 9/11 as being a long-time Bush crony.

So, the allegation that Bush paid for an illegal abortion isn&#39;t quite "proven", but it&#39;s not entirely baseless either. Somewhere in the grey area between rumour and fact.

(Source: http://www.democrats.com/display.cfm?id=159 -- Note: "democrats.com" is not affiliated with the Democratic Party.)

 

[BobLeeSwagger]

Just a thought: Are the identities of a political party&#39;s convention delegates in the public domain? Does anyone know?

 

[tracksuitboy]

Re the abortion question: thank you Mr Mindseye.

It just goes to prove what a bunch of two-faced c**ts they all are. (And, yes, I am sure there are a few dodgy dealers in the Democratic Party too&#33; before all you Republicans moan&#33.

 

[ponybilt]

Originally posted by aloofman@Sep 2 2004, 05:04 AM
Just a thought: Are the identities of a political party&#39;s convention delegates in the public domain? Does anyone know?

The article stated that the list had been culled from multiple mainstream news sources, so it&#39;s already a matter of public record.

And yeah, the abortion thing (either &#39;assisting&#39; or &#39;forcing&#39 isn&#39;t proven, but does have some basis, as Mindseye ponts out. This is something that would certainly destroy his support among the Schlaflys.

Speaking of marginally supported truth (the Republicans do it), Senior War Monger swore he didn&#39;t help Junior Chimp get into the Texas Air Natl Guard, but former Texas Lt. Gov. Ben Barnes admits to getting George Bush in the TANG as a favor to the rich kid and his politically powerful family. "I was in office, so I thought I had a duty to help rich people," said Barnes.

Barnes is and was a Democrat, so he&#39;ll be dismissed as partisan. There is however, documented testimony from September 1999, when Ben Barnes&#39;s company (G-tech) was sued regarding the Texas Lottery. Then Governor George W. Bush gave the huge contract to Barnes and the other guy was pissed off. He sued Barnes, claiming that the contract was a pay-off from Bush -- a pay-off directly linked to Dubya&#39;s service. So, under oath, Barnes had to confess that yes, he did call General James Rose and ask him to give the Chimp a spot.

(As excerpted from Daily Kos with appropriate links available there).

 

[ponybilt]

Originally posted by tracksuitboy@Sep 2 2004, 06:17 AM
Re the abortion question: thank you Mr Mindseye.

It just goes to prove what a bunch of two-faced c**ts they all are. (And, yes, I am sure there are a few dodgy dealers in the Democratic Party too&#33; before all you Republicans moan&#33.

And actually, that was one of the points -- the two-faced aspect of it all: It&#39;s not OK for anyone to do anything they deem immoral, but it&#39;s OK for them if they&#39;ve somehow repented. Yeah, thanks for saving me.

And since GWB&#39;s a supporter of the Nuremberg Files site, he&#39;s obviously coherent enough to understand that by his own rules, his picture should be posted there.

 

[jonb]

Geez, can&#39;t their ISP do something about Nuremberg Files? And then its owner can threaten with a lawsuite [sic] over free speach [sic] if he wants.