"You're naked , and there's 80 of us!"....

[validi]

eFukt.com | Frat Boys Troll 3 Pornstars Into Quitting

 

[petite]

The director probably did reassure her but she must have had second thoughts or something about having sex in a rooom full of 80 drunk frat guys?

So, if she had second thoughts but gave it a try anyway, so what? It doesn't make those guys less culpable for their own behavior. They don't cease to be shitheads. They aren't less wrong for dehumanizing her and treating her like shit.

 

[petite]

well it was her choice. she could have graduated college and get a nice office job surrounded by sweet gentlemen with good manners. instead she chose to be a whore.

And there we have it. The attitude that leads to dehumanizing someone else and treating them like shit. Congratulations for outing yourself as a guy who would have felt right at home in that crowd. :biggrin1:

 

[petite]

Yeah I know that they were wrong to dehumanize her and stuff. I'm just wondering why she'd agree to do it in the first place is all.

Also why does the guy get angry?
One of them says somehting to him I think but the efuckt subtitles disappear halfway through the vid and I can't make it out.

I dunno, maybe she thought that the director would have better control of the crowd, say by stopping taping and telling them that they can't do things like touch her? That would have been the correct way to handle the situation, but instead he acted like she ought to just put up with it and continue.

Guys were touching the woman without permission. Did you see the guy grabbing her tit and her reaction? Earlier in the video guys were touching her vagina. I was under the impression that he was trying to intervene on her behalf.

 

[petite]

Oka nd one last question.
Why would the director let them in there in the first place?
Sure if he's trying to film a porno he doesn't want wrandom peoples arms/hands/faces etc. popping into the shot?
The background noise could be covered or removed with music but I'm wondering why he'd have them there in the first place unless it's to deliberately piss of the actors and actresses.

Why are you asking me? I've already told you that I think he should have had better control of the situation instead of acting like the actors had to put up with the frat boys.

 

[petite]

Plus she did choose to go into that profession. There are any number of other professions you can do if you're out of a job albeit that one probably pays more than some of the others but she always could've got a job stacking shelves or somehting like that if she really needed money.

You think that women deserve to be treated like animals and sexually assaulted and demeaned because they're porn actors, huh? Well, they don't deserve it. It's not okay to act like she should accept her fate and accept being treated like that because she "chose" to be a porn actress. I'm frankly disgusted by that attitude.

 

[B_Nicodemous]

cuz porn directors are scumbag :smile:

her contract might have detailed the sex acts she'd be expected to perform with her scene partner. the additional asshole brigade could have been a foot note, something like open set, or a group of bystanders.

why she might not have refused the scene. once a porn performer is established in a niche/fan base s/he will have more say in a scene.. partner, activity, kink and such. someone new to the business is under tremendous pressure to take any and all offers. even with a veto option, s/he can get a reputation as difficult person to work with.

the real fucked aspect of porn is some contract will fine a perform for not fulfilling a contract. say you are desperate for money, ya sign on a simple boy/girl shoot. when you get to set there are 5 guys. the female performer says "not in my contract" producer/director will say "if you don't complete the shoot you're going to own the production company 100,000.00"

i understand folks wanna believe porn isn't about coercion or abuse of folks... but really.. is all exploitation. and only exists because there is an audience for it.

+over9,000! to ML! (and the same for my loverly Ms. Petite, who has far more patience than i in handing some of the questions and statements that crop up here!)

 

[petite]

I'm not saying she chose to be dehumanized just that she might have thought about the risks inherent in the kinda profession where you're surrounded by large numbers of drunk,horny, fratmen and then maybe not acted so upset about it when it happened. Yeah it never should have and yes she's obviously going to be upset, but she shouldn't make it that it was completely unexpected and stuff. Sadly there are people out there who are capable of committing crimes when drunk, not to mention the automatic dehumanization of other people when particiapating in a large mob.

Oh and if you don't read things before you sign them then that's just plain stupid.
People should always take time to read things before you sign them especially if the guy handing it to you (the porn director) looks like a sleazebag.

What I see and what bothers me is that after watching video where a room full of men (supposedly 80) abuse and harass a woman that you've made post after post shifting the blame to her.

This whole "well see she got the job so.." argument just sound like so much bullshit to me.

It's not that complicated to me. I see a person. I see a person being abused. I consider the abusers to be at fault for treating her like shit.

 

[petite]

It's so easy to judge someone else in that situation. Perhaps it startedoff calmer, perhaps nothing like that had happened before so the actors were expecting a more professionalism, perhap there were fewer guys there when they started, perhaps they weren't drunk when they arrived. We don't know why they tried it, but I find it interesting, but depressing, to read some of the posts in this thread.

And they did walk away.

The director paid for the venue. He should have maintained better control of the crowd and established boundaries.

 

[petite]

Obviously no one deserves to be dehumanized/disrespected, even the men in the video. They're just more dickish than most.

Even the men in the video?

 

[petite]

I see, so I shouldn't feel too bad for robbing someone as long as it's in a bad area of town since he should have known better.

That's a convenient value system. should robbers in bad areas of town be given lighter sentences since those crimes are clearly partially the fault of the victims? Just wondering how your blame game works.

 

[petite]

Of course robbers shouldn't be given lighter sentences since ultimately the decision to rob the person was the robber's and they acted purposefully to harm the victim.

Exactly.

Yoiu are clearly operating on the assumption that in any given situation the blame must be divided so that someone has all the blame and someone has none. While this is obviously the case in some examples it wasn't in the one I mentioned.

No, not must. I maintain that the victim isn't to blame for whatever crimes are committed by someone else because even if the entire situation was avoidable, she didn't cause it to happen. The logic that if a person could have in any way avoided being harmed then they are partially responsible is a bit absurd to me because there are a million ways in which a crime could not have happened, but every instance of our lives provide more opportunities for other bad things to happen to us.

You're suffering from the just world fallacy.

 

[curious_angel]

each and every one of those frat boys chose to act like a peanut gallery of sexual predators. every who laid their hands on her made their choice. why they are not under the same "you knew better" scrutiny is beyond me.

how does a person ignore the attitude of permissiveness the frat boys felt erased any aspect of sexual assault from their actions?

how fucked up do people have to be that a mix of booze and mob energy strips away all social restrictions so quickly? not one person said "this ain't right"

i'm fucking disgusted by what this kinda clip says about the safety of women. is not a solo example.. how many public gatherings like spring break, street fairs and concert quickly turn dangerous for women... from that Puerto Rican Pride Parade were all those women with sprayed with water, stripped of their clothing, sexually assaulted. to the 15 year old girl gang raped outside her prom.. while half the school watched and filmed.

and don't say there isn't a connection. every time someone is treated as subhuman, and the assailants escape without punished, the idea of getting away with it/acceptability is cemented.

there is no justification for what happened to that woman, and her not to know she could walk away safely. :grumpy:

^This!

The woman's 'choice' to walk away or not, is insignificant when compared to the actions of the men involved.

Some sickening views displayed in this thread.

 

[LaFemme]

I hate these threads. They reveal how ugly people can still be.

I hate when people still believe that victims of any sexual abuse can be responsible for any part of what happens to them, regardless of where they are walking, what they are wearing or what they are doing. By that logic sex trade workers could not be raped - and they are. Often. And believe me, just because one has sex for a living doesn't make rape any easier to deal with. Hurt, shame and attitudes like those found in this thread are what keep these women quiet and in constant pain.

Now, I will feed my ignore list.

 

[petite]

more sketchy from the porn business.

fly a performer out. producer/director holds the ticket.
performer is living in room provided by the studio. no film, no room.
with all your personal belongings locked up.

can't call the cops.
can't call family.
can't call friends.

porn isolates its performers from most support systems.
judgement/shaming burns any bridges remaining.

That is scary. I do not like. :frown1:

I need to learn a lot more about that. That has to change.

I meant that blaming her like she was at fault for what happened to her for being a porn actress or not choosing to leave or whatever is an expression of the just world fallacy. The world is not just. Terrible things happen to people who don't deserve it every day and it's not until we acknowledge that that anything can be done about it.

The just world fallacy prevents change. It's people who think like that who prevent positive change from happening because they think that the victims deserve what happened to them. That kind of thinking actually prevents victims from being able to get justice, too, or finding a way out of their situation, and stopping more people from being victimized.

 

[dolfette]

it's always nice to be reminded just how many guys are just a couple of beers and the right atmos away from being rapists.

 

[B_Nicodemous]

it's always nice to be reminded just how many guys are just a couple of beers and the right atmos away from being rapists.

I seem to recll a thread that someone started...Wait! I think it was you Dolfette! Let me check...
Yeah it was the one regarding men with the urge to rape.

We all got to see how, in some mens' eyes, being alone on an island with a gal would give them the right to rape a woman.

I remember ML going toe to toe with some douche on that thread.

Yep, apparently there are people who are a beer, a buddy, or alone with a woman for a time, who will become rapists and then happily tell you that they either aren't really, or it's your fault as you were sexy/drinking with them/or in close proximity, or how they were justified in doing so (see reasons for why it was the ladies fault)

Damn this thread is depressing as hell. :frown:


http://www.lpsg.org/245933-questions-for-men-with-the.html

 

[B_Nicodemous]

*huggles up with Mr. Nico* wanna share my cupcake?

I will always share your cupcake babe!

Can Petite and Dolf and Redz and the Mod formerly known as Acon have some as well?

Aand La Femme! she should get ta share the ummy cupcake and snuggles too! :biggrin:

 

[dolfette]

The bystande effect and the the effects of alcohol are the same across both genders. Given a large crowd of drunk, horny women and a defenceless male in the middle, a similar situation would occur as in the original video.

uh huh. i've heard of some pretty shitty behaviour towards male strippers.

when people express disbelief at how things like the holocaust were allowed to happen, i'm mildly amused. sheeple are always willing to shit on morality, as long as enough of the herd will shit with them. you can always spin a justification if you try hard enough.

on the plus side, there's a reasonably high chance that this clip, clearly showing the faces of several of the arseholes, will find it's way back to their parents. and possibly be seen by future employers.

 

[petite]

i was just providing an example of unfairdom, Ms. Petite. a person finding themselves trapped, not from bad choices they made.. but because one had the hand up to abuse them.

is all grief inoculation with victim blaming/shaming. if folks can find away to blame someone for something awful happening to them is easier to believe that bad thing won't ever happen to them.

is like that with most mistakes attached to old ideas of sin.

catch an STI, oh.. you were doing something wrong. you should have known better. i know better, i feel safe. that kinda thing.

women who are raped in dark place.. she should have known better than to be there after sun down. like the big fuck up in that scenario is walking down the wrong block.

in this case.. she had a contact, she thought she knew what she was walking into. she didn't make a bad choice.. she was misled and mistreated. :frown:

Absolutely. That's an incredibly frightening scenario. Not just at all.

Just what I witnessed in the video without knowing all of that was just awful and I can't believe anyone would defend the behavior of those guys by implying that they're to be expected to behave like that which she ought to know so it's her fault, or that she's at fault for choosing that profession.

Unless people are at least capable of acknowledging that the woman in that scenario was being mistreated, that kind of behavior will continue. It's the first step to stopping it. Excuses just maintain the shitty status quo.