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Yeah I know that they were wrong to dehumanize her and stuff. I'm just wondering why she'd agree to do it in the first place is all.

Also why does the guy get angry?
One of them says somehting to him I think but the efuckt subtitles disappear halfway through the vid and I can't make it out.

I dunno, maybe she thought that the director would have better control of the crowd, say by stopping taping and telling them that they can't do things like touch her? That would have been the correct way to handle the situation, but instead he acted like she ought to just put up with it and continue.

Guys were touching the woman without permission. Did you see the guy grabbing her tit and her reaction? Earlier in the video guys were touching her vagina. I was under the impression that he was trying to intervene on her behalf.
 
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And there we have it. The attitude that leads to dehumanizing someone else and treating them like shit. Congratulations for outing yourself as a guy who would have felt right at home in that crowd. :biggrin1:

nice shaming language. it doesnt work. noone forced her to do anything. she probably pegged for the job.
 

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Oka nd one last question.
Why would the director let them in there in the first place?
Sure if he's trying to film a porno he doesn't want wrandom peoples arms/hands/faces etc. popping into the shot?
The background noise could be covered or removed with music but I'm wondering why he'd have them there in the first place unless it's to deliberately piss of the actors and actresses.
 

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Oka nd one last question.
Why would the director let them in there in the first place?
Sure if he's trying to film a porno he doesn't want wrandom peoples arms/hands/faces etc. popping into the shot?
The background noise could be covered or removed with music but I'm wondering why he'd have them there in the first place unless it's to deliberately piss of the actors and actresses.

Why are you asking me? I've already told you that I think he should have had better control of the situation instead of acting like the actors had to put up with the frat boys.
 
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Plus she did choose to go into that profession. There are any number of other professions you can do if you're out of a job albeit that one probably pays more than some of the others but she always could've got a job stacking shelves or somehting like that if she really needed money.

You think that women deserve to be treated like animals and sexually assaulted and demeaned because they're porn actors, huh? Well, they don't deserve it. It's not okay to act like she should accept her fate and accept being treated like that because she "chose" to be a porn actress. I'm frankly disgusted by that attitude.
 
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cuz porn directors are scumbags :smile:

there was a thread a while back with a Rocco scene.. the title was Most Gentle Breakdown Ever. Rocco starts smacking this woman's back, fucking her to hurt.. she says "enough.. i don't wanna do this." Rocco starts trying to convince her to finish the see "you are so beautiful.. i lost control"
most of the dudes were having a hallmark moment over the clip. how touching, how sweet. yeah, Rocco pretty much said "you are so beautiful i couldn't not treat you like a fuckhole and a bunching bag" he wasn't comforting her, he wasn't apologizing.. his only interest.. get the scene.


no such thing as intervening for a performer. is all about obligating someone to continue.

her contract might have detailed the sex acts she'd be expected to perform with her scene partner. the additional asshole brigade could have been a foot note, something like open set, or a group of bystanders.

why she might not have refused the scene. once a porn performer is established in a niche/fan base s/he will have more say in a scene.. partner, activity, kink and such. someone new to the business is under tremendous pressure to take any and all offers. even with a veto option, s/he can get a reputation as difficult person to work with.

the real fucked aspect of porn is some companies will fine a perform for not fulfilling a contract. say you are desperate for money, ya sign on a simple boy/girl shoot. when you get to set there are 5 guys. the female performer says "not in my contract" producer/director will say "if you don't complete the shoot you're going to own the production company 100,000.00"

i understand folks wanna believe porn isn't about coercion or abuse of folks... but really.. is all exploitation. and only exists because there is an audience for it.
 
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I'm not saying she chose to be dehumanized just that she might have thought about the risks inherent in the kinda profession where you're surrounded by large numbers of drunk,horny, fratmen and then maybe not acted so upset about it when it happened. Yeah it never should have and yes she's obviously going to be upset, but she shouldn't make it that it was completely unexpected and stuff. Sadly there are people out there who are capable of committing crimes when drunk, not to mention the automatic dehumanization of other people when particiapating in a large mob.

Oh and if you don't read things before you sign them then that's just plain stupid.
People should always take time to read things before you sign them especially if the guy handing it to you (the porn director) looks like a sleazebag.
 
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cuz porn directors are scumbag :smile:

her contract might have detailed the sex acts she'd be expected to perform with her scene partner. the additional asshole brigade could have been a foot note, something like open set, or a group of bystanders.

why she might not have refused the scene. once a porn performer is established in a niche/fan base s/he will have more say in a scene.. partner, activity, kink and such. someone new to the business is under tremendous pressure to take any and all offers. even with a veto option, s/he can get a reputation as difficult person to work with.

the real fucked aspect of porn is some contract will fine a perform for not fulfilling a contract. say you are desperate for money, ya sign on a simple boy/girl shoot. when you get to set there are 5 guys. the female performer says "not in my contract" producer/director will say "if you don't complete the shoot you're going to own the production company 100,000.00"

i understand folks wanna believe porn isn't about coercion or abuse of folks... but really.. is all exploitation. and only exists because there is an audience for it.

+over9,000! to ML! (and the same for my loverly Ms. Petite, who has far more patience than i in handing some of the questions and statements that crop up here!)
 
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She knew what the job was all about. It was her greed and low-self esteem that made her took the job. She could and can leave voluntarily, no-one is forcing her to do anything. Theres nothing dehumanizing about it. Porn is all fantasy and has nothing to do with real life. She was just greedy and should deal with the consencuenses of her own voluntary actions.
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She knew what the job was all about. It was her greed and low-self esteem that made her took the job. She could and can leave voluntarily, no-one is forcing her to do anything. Theres nothing dehumanizing about it. Porn is all fantasy and has nothing to do with real life. She was just greedy and should deal with the consencuenses of her own voluntary actions.

You obviously didn't read the part about the possible fines for quitting without fulfilling her contract. Also that thing about it 'having nothing to do with real life' is just stupid. Clealry the actors and actresses have to deal with what they've done for money and rationalize that to themselves in some way to avoid depression and self-loathing. Unless they enjoy doing it.(That was sarcasm by the way:rolleyes:). The bit about her being greedy is just stupid.
 

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You obviously didn't read the part about the possible fines for quitting without fulfilling her contract. Also that thing about it 'having nothing to do with real life' is just stupid. Clealry the actors and actresses have to deal with what they've done for money and rationalize that to themselves in some way to avoid depression and self-loathing. Unless they enjoy doing it.(That was sarcasm by the way:rolleyes:). The bit about her being greedy is just stupid.

It was HER who signed the contract. She can sue them if there was anything inappropriate or against the contract. I bet not.
 

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is my understanding/impression that Heir Fuckstain isn't a member of LPSG.
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hmmm unless ya confessing something?
 

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I'm not saying she chose to be dehumanized just that she might have thought about the risks inherent in the kinda profession where you're surrounded by large numbers of drunk,horny, fratmen and then maybe not acted so upset about it when it happened. Yeah it never should have and yes she's obviously going to be upset, but she shouldn't make it that it was completely unexpected and stuff. Sadly there are people out there who are capable of committing crimes when drunk, not to mention the automatic dehumanization of other people when particiapating in a large mob.

Oh and if you don't read things before you sign them then that's just plain stupid.
People should always take time to read things before you sign them especially if the guy handing it to you (the porn director) looks like a sleazebag.

What I see and what bothers me is that after watching video where a room full of men (supposedly 80) abuse and harass a woman that you've made post after post shifting the blame to her.

This whole "well see she got the job so.." argument just sound like so much bullshit to me.

It's not that complicated to me. I see a person. I see a person being abused. I consider the abusers to be at fault for treating her like shit.
 
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