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Erm... you make a porn video in a frat house, tell all the idiot frat brothers they can watch a woman get fucked on their pool table, and then the ugly guy fucks the ugly girl and everyone is shocked that it turns into a riot when the drunken frat kids start insulting them. This is surprising to you because....
 

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What I see and what bothers me is that after watching video where a room full of men (supposedly 80) abuse and harass a woman that you've made post after post shifting the blame to her.

This whole "well see she got the job so.." argument just sound like so much bullshit to me.

It's not that complicated to me. I see a person. I see a person being abused. I consider the abusers to be at fault for treating her like shit.

Petite you are spot on - it's victim blaming. I don't give a shit what his/her job is.
 

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Erm... you make a porn video in a frat house, tell all the idiot frat brothers they can watch a woman get fucked on their pool table, and then the ugly guy fucks the ugly girl and everyone is shocked that it turns into a riot when the drunken frat kids start insulting them. This is surprising to you because....


its totally amazing and against all odds isnt it :rolleyes:
 

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What I see and what bothers me is that after watching video where a room full of men (supposedly 80) abuse and harass a woman that you've made post after post shifting the blame to her.

This whole "well see she got the job so.." argument just sound like so much bullshit to me.

It's not that complicated to me. I see a person. I see a person being abused. I consider the abusers to be at fault for treating her like shit.

I know that, I'm AGREEING with you. What I was arguing about, or at least thought I was, was the reason she'd put herself into the sort of situation involving large numbers of drunk,frat-people in the frst place.
 

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People don't like getting parking tickets... gets them all worked up. Traffic wardens know this when they take the job... so it's not only acceptable, but expected for a traffic warden to get punched in the face?
 

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I really did try to stay out of this thread...

The way those "men" behaved is vile and deplorable. Had I been the woman in that situation, I don't think a little kick of my leg would have been enough. I may well have left in a body bag as a result, but I would have taken at least one of those fuckers down with me.

With that said, I would never have been the woman in that situation. Had I walked in and seen maybe a handful of guys, some drinking, others not, then maybe I'd have gone through with it. But to walk into a room with that many drunken frat guys already horned up by beer and the promise of a live sex show, throw in the obvious competitive nature in such a situation, you walk away.

I'm not victim blaming, there is NEVER an excuse to behave the way those individuals did, but it was stupid and irresponsible for those performing not to walk away the second they saw what they'd let themselves in for.
 

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People don't like getting parking tickets... gets them all worked up. Traffic wardens know this when they take the job... so it's not only acceptable, but expected for a traffic warden to get punched in the face?


thats a logical fallacy, because you are posing questions with no right answer. we havent said anything similar to that. its all your imagination.
 

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People don't like getting parking tickets... gets them all worked up. Traffic wardens know this when they take the job... so it's not only acceptable, but expected for a traffic warden to get punched in the face?

Expected,yes but not acceptable.
Sooner or later a traffic warden is going to give a ticket to someone who takes it the wrong way or is drunk or just has anger management problems. They'll try to punch/physically attack the traffic warden etc. It still won't be acceptable and that person will pribably get fined/jail depending on the exact penalty for assaulting a traffic warden and the severity.
You shouldn't assume that just because something's expected that it's acceptable too. Plus like kotchanski said it was stupid and irresponsible to not walk away.
 

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hmm does this attitude of low self-esteem whoredom for women who are sex workers extend to the ladies of LPSG?

there are women here who kindly offer up images, clips, graphic descriptions of their sexual fantasies/exploits.

do they deserve to be mistreated/disrespected and dehumanized just the same? are the insane demands/expectations of some of the men here justifiable? are the LPSG ladies bringing it on themselves for making poor choices?

is a sad sack mother fucker who judges someone providing them pleasure.
 

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hmm does this attitude of low self-esteem whoredom for women who are sex workers extend to the ladies of LPSG?

there are women here who kindly offer up images, clips, graphic descriptions of their sexual fantasies/exploits.

do they deserve to be mistreated/disrespected and dehumanized just the same? are the insane demands/expectations of some of the men here justifiable? are the LPSG ladies bringing it on themselves for making poor choices?

is a sad sack mother fucker who judges someone providing them pleasure.

first of all you need to chill. then analyze the case.

she went there and she must of been aware of the risks

even when she wasnt aware of the risk (trusted his manager) she could of left immediately when the situation started to get bad.

she didnt.
 

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hmm does this attitude of low self-esteem whoredom for women who are sex workers extend to the ladies of LPSG?

there are women here who kindly offer up images, clips, graphic descriptions of their sexual fantasies/exploits.

do they deserve to be mistreated/disrespected and dehumanized just the same? are the insane demands/expectations of some of the men here justifiable? are the LPSG ladies bringing it on themselves for making poor choices?

is a sad sack mother fucker who judges someone providing them pleasure.


Obviously no one deserves to be dehumanized/disrespected, even the men in the video. They're just more dickish than most.
 

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I really did try to stay out of this thread...

The way those "men" behaved is vile and deplorable. Had I been the woman in that situation, I don't think a little kick of my leg would have been enough. I may well have left in a body bag as a result, but I would have taken at least one of those fuckers down with me.

With that said, I would never have been the woman in that situation. Had I walked in and seen maybe a handful of guys, some drinking, others not, then maybe I'd have gone through with it. But to walk into a room with that many drunken frat guys already horned up by beer and the promise of a live sex show, throw in the obvious competitive nature in such a situation, you walk away.

I'm not victim blaming, there is NEVER an excuse to behave the way those individuals did, but it was stupid and irresponsible for those performing not to walk away the second they saw what they'd let themselves in for.


EXACTLY! they were a bunch of drunk idiots for sure. and their behavior was unacceptable. the guys that touched her without permission should have been bitched out. but like you said she shoulda walked away before even doing the scene. its common sense
 

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It's so easy to judge someone else in that situation. Perhaps it startedoff calmer, perhaps nothing like that had happened before so the actors were expecting a more professionalism, perhap there were fewer guys there when they started, perhaps they weren't drunk when they arrived. We don't know why they tried it, but I find it interesting, but depressing, to read some of the posts in this thread.

And they did walk away.

The director paid for the venue. He should have maintained better control of the crowd and established boundaries.
 
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is not so different really.

woman puts up a gallery, sometimes with really nice photos.
artistic, expressive, well done.
is only maybe 4 posts before dudes start asking for pussy shots.

those frats boys are a extreme example of ookery.
is all the same entitlement.
peruse some threads in the adult section.. She Can't Take It being a personal favorite to illustrate the pigshit wallow some dudes can't wait to jump into.

still puzzled-perplexed when ladies share so much.
 

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thats a logical fallacy, because you are posing questions with no right answer. we havent said anything similar to that. its all your imagination.

No.

She knew what the job was all about. It was her greed and low-self esteem that made her took the job. She could and can leave voluntarily, no-one is forcing her to do anything. Theres nothing dehumanizing about it. Porn is all fantasy and has nothing to do with real life. She was just greedy and should deal with the consencuenses of her own voluntary actions.
http://www.google.ee/url?sa=t&rct=j...ibiXBw&usg=AFQjCNEsYNKshLL49CsnYcwFwwMbfKP8tw
 

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It's so easy to judge someone else in that situation. Perhaps it startedoff calmer, perhaps nothing like that had happened before so the actors were expecting a more professionalism, perhap there were fewer guys there when they started, perhaps they weren't drunk when they arrived. We don't know why they tried it, but I find it interesting, but depressing, to read some of the posts in this thread.

And they did walk away.

The director paid for the venue. He should have maintained better control of the crowd and established boundaries.

And perhaps, like a lot of porn in that genre... it was all staged.

Moral outrage is all well and good when you have all the facts, but as you say yourself, in this case we don't.

Based solely on what we are shown, it is clear that a whole bunch of guys need to be shot in the face, and those performing need to be at the very least a little more responsible for their own safety.