You're pissing me off Mr. President

[Sklar]

Fuck your solidarity, fuck the Democrats, fuck republicans, and fuck you all. I can't wait to watch America burn to the fucking ground. And while the flames lick my skin, I'll be laughing, because at least I wasn't stupid enough not to see it coming.

Sorry, New End, I don't mean to pick on a fellow Washingtonian but...

Laughing because you see the fire that's going to lick you skin just means you are not smart enough to get out of the way. The bigger question is:

What are you going to do about it BEFORE it gets to that point?

Some random points to be made:

The Stimulus Package didn't give money just to America. At least 12 Billion went to over seas banks. Plus, we've only spent about 7% of the Stimulus Package. The rest isn't supposed to be spent until 3 years from now.

The President should have picked his battles better.

Year One: The Stimulus Package/Economy and ONLY the Stimulus Package/Economy.

Year Two: Health Care only

Year Three: Iraq/Troop Withdrawl, since 2011 is when they were supposed to come home anyways under the troop withdrawl ageement President Bush made with the Iraqi Government.

Year 4: Election and the rest of the Stimulus package.

The President is trying to do to much, to soon and it's scaring not only the people on the right but also the people on the left AND enough people in his own Congress.

Maybe some of you on here that have actually studied political history can mention when a President has had control of both sides of Congress and faced opposition like this from his own party.

Thanks for listening,


Sklar

 

[B_VinylBoy]

Sklar: Perhaps Obama should have have spaced out his agenda more strategically, however, we would still be getting these complaints. He was literally in a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation and it seems that many people are forgetting that.

I agree that he's not perfect and that he may have tried to take on too much at once. But the opposition would have still been bitching regardless of what he decided to do. Even some of his biggest supporters are already spelling out doom before one year is up. Some complaints (IMO) seem validated. Many others are generated from the angst & impatience of people that expected WAY too much, WAY too soon. Perhaps they will never admit that to themselves... but even I wasn't expecting miracles. And it's kinda disturbing in a laughable way, watching people predict failure then act as if they're not while trying to hide their "need to be right" behind a cloak of political concern.

 

[tripod]

Obama has really disappointed me. This health care thing is turning out to be one GI-FUCKING-GANTIC give away to the bullshit insurance industry. He already had a HUGE give away to the banking industry... now we need to line the coffers of the shareholders of the insurance corporations?

The insurance industry already has waaaaaay too much power in this country. Just look at the opposition that they have fomented against Obama's "public option"... they have already spent more than Obama and McCain did in the goddamn election of 2008 to kill the public option. They are directly behind the astroturf protests that we have seen as of lately.

The public option means that the insurance companies will have to give their policy holders some fucking value and not nickel and dime them to death.

But now that won't happen and Obama is giving the insurance companies the keys to teh car that will drive the country into collective bankruptcy.

He hasn't stopped the renditions.

The drone attacks have increased.

He is still killing civilians in Afghanistan and Pakistan and he has BLOOD on his hands for that.

He is still wiretapping.

He's full of shit and he can fuick the hell off for all I care... this country is full of soooooo many assholes and now we have one for a president too.

Are all countries full of assholes like the U.S.?

The fucking WAL-MART shoppers that have been shouting and carrying sings have been effectively taking Obama down a notch... and he LET THEM!!

I would have never thought that the white supremacists could get the better of a highly intelligent man like Obama, but they truly have and it is just SICKENING to watch.

Grow some fucking balls Obama and DO WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO DICKWADD... there's nobody to blame but yourself.

 

[B_New End]

Maybe some of you on here that have actually studied political history can mention when a President has had control of both sides of Congress and faced opposition like this from his own party.

LBJ who didn't run for a second term, and died 4 (6?) years later. And smoked, and inherited a war, and wanted to make a huge "great Society" spending deal, while trying to finance Vietnam at the same time. I think the parallels with LBJ are quite astonishing, actually.


And I am sorry, if he had time to approve the continuation of torture, wiretapping, etc, then he certainly had time to end it. This "give him time" nonsense is complete and utter bullshit. He is a spineless marionette doing exactly as the banks tell him to do.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

And I am sorry, if he had time to approve the continuation of torture, wiretapping, etc, then he certainly had time to end it. This "give him time" nonsense is complete and utter bullshit. He is a spineless marionette doing exactly as the banks tell him to do.

And with the current opposition and rivaling voices in congress who will do everything in their power to derail whatever the President wants to do, how was he supposed to do this in 8 months? Please... explain. As we can see, it takes more than just a majority in both the House & the Senate to pass measures. Politics is not that simple, because if it were then Health Care Reform would have already been passed and we wouldn't even be having a discussion about it.

As much as many people want Obama to take action, he cannot just tell everyone else to fuck off and do what he wants. No offense, but it seems as if you were expecting Obama to be some kind of political suicidal martyr. If anything, his one major mistake could be his many attempt to be bipartisan. But at least nobody can say that he didn't try to reach out to his adversaries.

 

[B_New End]

And with the current opposition and rivaling voices in congress who will do everything in their power to derail whatever the President wants to do, how was he supposed to do this in 8 months? Please... explain. As we can see, it takes more than just a majority in both the House & the Senate to pass measures. Politics is not that simple, because if it were then Health Care Reform would have already been passed and we wouldn't even be having a discussion about it.

They aren't laws, they are executive orders! He doesn't need congress to say no more renditions, no more torture, no more mass wiretapping. He just hands down the order.

And since that's what he said he would do... HE SHOULD FUCKING DO IT!!

The fact that he hasn't means HE NEVER WILL. He has no intention of upholding his promises, he was a fucking front man, and a bald faced liar. There is no change. He is an empty suit just like W was. His handlers are making all the calls.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

They aren't laws, they are executive orders! He doesn't need congress to say no more renditions, no more torture, no more mass wiretapping. He just hands down the order.

And since that's what he said he would do... HE SHOULD FUCKING DO IT!!

The fact that he hasn't means HE NEVER WILL. He has no intention of upholding his promises, he was a fucking front man, and a bald faced liar. There is no change. He is an empty suit just like W was. His handlers are making all the calls.

Curious... did you actually vote for Obama?
I hate to say this, but you feed directly into the stereotype that some people on this very board said about Obama supporters. Remember when they said that people who voted for Obama thought he was "The Messiah" that is going to change everything? This is exactly the kinds of things these people, who are rooting for the President to fail, want to read.

Here it is, only 8 months into his term, and you're already calling him a fraud because he hasn't done what you want as fast as you wanted it done. This goes far beyond "keeping a promise" because you have no idea whether or not he's going to honor what he says. The only thing that is evident right now is your impatience. By all means, I'm not telling you not to have your opinions. Feel free to think he's a liar, a cheat, a front man, or whatever. Just be completely honest about why you think that.

 

[B_New End]

Curious... did you actually vote for Obama?
I hate to say this, but you feed directly into the stereotype that some people on this very board said about Obama supporters. Here it is, only 8 months into his term, and you're already calling him a fraud because he hasn't done what you want as fast as you wanted it done.

I'm a felon. I was happy to see Obama win, but believe me, I was skeptical. And what do you know, my skepticism was not misplaced.

This goes far beyond "keeping a promise" because you have no idea whether or not he's going to honor what he says. The only thing that is evident right now is your impatience. By all means, I'm not telling you not to have your opinions. Feel free to think he's a liar, a cheat, a front man, or whatever. Just be completely honest about why you think that.

I'm not repeating myself! Go find someone else to play your stupid games with.

 

[HazelGod]

VB, it's not just the things Obama hasn't done that he promised he would...it's the things he has done that he promised he wouldn't. Closed-door policy meetings with big industry leaders, incestuous appointments of lobbyists and industry shills to the highest levels of his departments, etc.

Right now, his credibility is in the shitter with the independent-minded libertarian citizens who swung the election in his favor because of these things.

As I said elsewhere, I'm pretty pleased with his foreign relations performance...but on just about everything else, he's looking like more of the same old bullshit.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

I'm not repeating myself! Go find someone else to play your stupid games with.

Oh, but you've repeated your rhetoric many times before I confronted you with it. Should I remind you? And this is just from this week:

"He's a puppet. A fucking tool. Just like W. And he is going to act just like W. Because they are both ruled by the same people."

"In 8 months he can't stop torture like he promised? Can't go after the telecoms like he promised for assisting in illegal wiretapping? Can't even start pulling out of Iraq like he promised? In the first day he was breaking his promise about lobbyists in his cabinet. The guy is a fucking liar."

"Obama is a shill for the banking elite, as is Krugman. And economics is by and large a fraudulent science. I am a nihilist now.... because i have no choice. "

Trust me, you would know if I was playing a game with you. I was TRYING to be civil here. But if you're going to get hostile, I have absolutely no problems or remorse returning the favor with a similar, turbulent tone.

I think it's INSANELY laughable to watch a bunch of people (such as yourself) act as if the world is coming to an end just because the President hasn't addressed or solved the problems you want fixed in less than 25% of his time in office. However, you do a great job trying to make those who are willing to see how things play out as being the ones who are "out of touch". The man has 4 years to do his job. Not 8 months. If we can live through 8 YEARS of our previous administration, I think 8 months of Obama should be tolerable by ANYONE'S expectations. However, it seems like you can't. That's your problem.

But if you feel justified to constantly scream how we've all been duped, how Obama is a fraud and inadvertently poke at every single person who voted for him as if they didn't know what the hell they were doing, then I feel just as compelled to point out just how unrealistic and impatient you are. That's how a message board, where people can express their opinions, works.

And you don't have to worry about me repeating myself here, tough guy. I think you got my message loud and clear. We hope...

 

[B_New End]

I think it's INSANELY laughable to watch a bunch of people (such as yourself) act as if the world is coming to an end just because the President hasn't addressed or solved the problems you want fixed in less than 25% of his time in office.

Laugh all you want, fool. It's not coming to an end because of Obama's promise breaking. It's coming to an end because of the wars, and the bailouts, and a fat gluttonous America that couldn't control it's pocket book, both government and people. And Obama is just making it worse.

So laugh all you want. I already made it pretty clear, I don't give a fuck about all you weak minded fools any more. laugh at me, call me a conspiracy theorist, and fucking play on in your little world of delusion while calling me crazy. Don't come crying to those of us prepared when the shit hits the fan. Our eyes are wide the fuck open. We are looking at the numbers, we have seen the manipulations and lies of government and media, and we see a huge whitewash job going on right now. And when people like you laugh, we just shrug our shoulders.

You have no FUCKING idea how serious of trouble the United States is in. You still think its some fucking game of dem vs rep. No clue. No fucking clue at all. Paly your stupid red shirt blue shirt game. I dont care. Your messiah is flawless. Your messiah is always right. Your messiah just needs more time. it is impossible your messiah is controlled by the same lobbyists and corporations that controlled GW Bush because your messiah had a D next to his name last November. And D's don't lie during campaigns, because their mascot is a donkey, not an elephant. That's fucking great logic. You go on believing that, and laugh all you want.

And I'm not poking fun at everybody that voted for Obama, asshole, just the people like you that keep acting like he is who he said he was. He obviously ISN'T. Some of your fellow Obama voters have figured it out, but some of you are still clinging to the fact he is a democrat. Fuck, only something sad like 8% of Democrats think that ending the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq are in the top five issues. That is pathetic, but not surprising.

 

[faceking]

It's not like he's invading an innocent country

What is the strategy in Afghanistan?... I have zero clue since I no longer see any protestors... no "no blood for oil", no "out of Middle East"... no "support the troops, not the war"... shocking how now it's fine to be in the Middle East. Granted Iraq was a success, despite what Harry Reid said/says.

 

[B_New End]

What is the strategy in Afghanistan?... I have zero clue since I no longer see any protestors... no "no blood for oil", no "out of Middle East"... no "support the troops, not the war"... shocking how now it's fine to be in the Middle East. Granted Iraq was a success, despite what Harry Reid said/says.

Iraq was not, and is not a success. Too many Iraqis were killed. Period.

 

[B_letsCUMtogether]

Mr. President, I voted for change. I voted for healthcare reform. I voted for making right everything that is wrong with the homeland. At this very moment your Presidency is to be defined, you sir, are acting like a Senator.

You're caving on the "public option"; the only way to drive down private healthcare costs. Where did your spine go? Where is the man I was enamored by 6 months ago? You were supposed to rescue us from uncontrollably rising healthcare expenses.

This is your time. You are President. You have a shot at greatness like no President before you in the last 50 years. It is time for you to lead! If you really believe what you campaigned for, you shouldn't be moved by a few lobbyists shouting Sentors down in town halls. Look in the camera, and tell the people you are going to deliver what you promised.

You have the House. You have the Senate. You have the 70M Americans that put you in office. Now, man up and fucking deliver.

I agree with you 150%!!! VERY WELL SAID!!

 

[B_letsCUMtogether]

Iraq was not, and is not a success. Too many Iraqis were killed. Period.

Very true IRAQ is and has been a 200% disastor, its not the troops fault its the dumb-ass idiot who dreamt up the stupid ass idea to invade a country the did nothing to the US and was no threat at all to the US--Dumb ass BUSH! The country of Iraq is in shambles, the Iraqi people hate the US and have no quality of life if they have a life at all. A total disastor in everyway!

 

[B_VinylBoy]

New End: First off, asshole, my original choice for President was NOT Obama. When it came down to he and McCain I made a choice. And now that the election is over and we have our President, it would only be fair to allow him time to set out to do what he promised. That's 4 years, fool... Not some definitive timeframe in your pathetic, impatient mind that is now bordering on the level of rabid hysteria.

I had to be convinced by people, who chastised me for supporting Hillary Clinton during the Primary, that Obama was the one to vote for. Now it seems as if these same people are chastising me because I'm not joining on with the same rhetoric of disappointment since he didn't solve everyone's problems in 8 FRIGGIN MONTHS. And you wonder why I think the ramblings from idiots like you to be ridiculous?

Yeah, I'm the crazy, irrational one here... You may want to rethink your assumptions, dude

 

[Notaguru2]

Privatized healthcare needs to be fixed, not replaced by government run health care.

No one has pitched a government run healthcare system. You're an ignorant tool.

 

[B_New End]

New End: First off, asshole, my original choice for President was NOT Obama.

For one, FUCK HILLARY. She would have been just as bad. So Fuck Hillary. She is and was owned long ago. Her senate voting record proved it.

For two: don't accuse me of doing shit I ain't doing, and I won't call you an asshole, capice?

Now it seems as if these same people are chastising me because I'm not joining on with the same rhetoric of disappointment since he didn't solve everyone's problems in 8 FRIGGIN MONTHS.

No you are making sad excuses for him. You have no rebuttal for the fact that he isn't even reversing executive orders. You also will not address his hand over fist money give away to the bankers, or bringing on Geithner as sec of treasury... the guy who pretty much made up the bailouts. No you just want to keep saying 8 months, 8 months. He has already done tons of shit that proves he is just a brown bush.


8 months! 8 months!
13 months! 13 months!

2 years.... 2 years.....
only one term.... only one term.....


Ok, New end.... you were right.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

VB, it's not just the things Obama hasn't done that he promised he would...it's the things he has done that he promised he wouldn't. Closed-door policy meetings with big industry leaders, incestuous appointments of lobbyists and industry shills to the highest levels of his departments, etc.

Right now, his credibility is in the shitter with the independent-minded libertarian citizens who swung the election in his favor because of these things.

As I said elsewhere, I'm pretty pleased with his foreign relations performance...but on just about everything else, he's looking like more of the same old bullshit.

HG: You and I have had heated debates regarding Obama & Hillary in the past, and in the end it was people like you that convinced me to support Obama in November. I completely get what people are saying when it comes to the current actions of the President. We all wanted to see someone grab the bull by the horns and take charge. He has a rare opportunity to make some major changes in the way we live our lives, and we don't want it to go to waste. The way he's currently handled the issue of DADT and the fiasco that is becoming Health Care gets me down. However, I'm willing to wait this out. We owe it to ourselves to do so after 8 YEARS of our previous Administration and their failures. But talk to some people, and they'll interpret that as someone who is just kissing the President's ass. As if it's impossible to be critical, yet supportive of the President.

But wait... There's more!!
You get people like New End on this board, who are either insanely pessamistic and impatient when it comes to our Government, or people like Faceking who are so bent on having a "third party" that he injects hate and phony outrage into an already heated debate in some lame attempt to show how "Democrats" and "Republicans" are the screw ups, all the while ignoring that the "third party" will essentially be created by the outcasts of the two existing corrupt parties that he openly bashes. I find people like them to be more detrimental to our country because they've already assumed the stance of dispair and doom. "Oh, woe as me... The government is so corrupt! They do EVERYTHING wrong!!"

Yet they call me the unreasonable, unobjective, illogical one.
If that's the case, what does that make them?

They spread their sky is falling rhetoric on this board, disguised as some kind of "neutrality" and objectivity and doesn't think anyone will notice. And when presented with any belief that doesn't resonate with the same anarchistic tone they're quick to call them fools who have been "brainwashed by the media"... or one of my favorites, "fooled by our government." I get a little sick and tired of dumb people talking to other dumb people, uniting as if they have the answers, and derail any kind of reasonable discussion on these subjects. They're more obsessed with being right, than to try and figure out what the right move our President should be making. It's one f the main reasons why having a Political discussion on this board has grown to be practically impossible. No sharing of ideas... Just a bunch of people trying to force others to see it their way.

We could use sine more level-headed people like you on this board contributing. But I can see why some would find it to be a complete waste of time.

 

[B_New End]

You get people like New End on this board, who are either insanely pessamistic and impatient when it comes to our Government, .

You still have no rebuttal for the fact that he isn't even reversing executive orders regarding torture and rendition and warrantless wiretapping. It obviously doesn't bother you that he reviewed these, and decided against it, although that is not what he said he would do when he was campaigning.You also still will not address his hand over fist money give away to the bankers, or bringing on Geithner as sec of treasury

No rebuttal for him stacking his cabinet with wall street tycoons and lobbyists, almost exclusively from the financial industry. Again, after saying he would not.

these are just a couple of the many things he has done a complete about face on. Not "hasn't gotten around to" as you keep trying to claim, he has already got around to it, and done the opposite of what he said he would do.

As a matter of fact, even though these things have nothing to do with time, since some are actions taken in the first 100 days, and others require only the stroke of a pen, you still cling to your sad 8 months argument. It's so fucking illogical. He already FUCKING DID IT!! It doesn't even make sense to say give him more time when he has already done the shit! It's a total disconnect. It doesn't make sense in any way shape or form!

Fucking answer me how can I give him more time to prove he is not going to do something HE ALREADY DID!

JESUS CHRIST!