Zeitgeist

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    Has anyone else seen it? I am all worked up about it! A friend of mine recommended it, so I watched it online: Zeitgeist - The Movie

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    Here is a summary from IMDB: This film gathers information from many sources and puts it together in a way that shows it is possible for people to be manipulated by large institutions, governments and economic powers. It is divided into 3 parts. 1. Religion: Pagan astrological beliefs compared to modern and ancient religions. (9:35-35:53) 2. 9/11: An overview of the numerous questionable aspects of this immensely important event. (35:54-1:09:16) 3. The Federal Reserve Bank: A history of its formation and ability to control the economy. (1:09:17-1:56:23) With many news clips from tragic events in history, audio excerpts from those who believe people are being misled about the level of freedom they have, this riveting documentary will anger those who agree with it as well as those who do not. A very timely and important piece of work that all free thinking people should see. Viewer Content Warning: This film contains stock photos and film of war and September 11th scenes that may not be suitable for all viewers. (18 or older) Written by Jeff1961

    Zeitgeist: The Movie (2007) (V) - Plot summary

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    The movie is 2 hours long, but should definetely be watched.
     
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    I saw Zeitgeist on Google videos. I was really amazed. It was very Matrix-y in content. But very truthful and scary. I wouldn't mind getting a copy of it on DVD. You have to watch them in sequence. It will make you mad. It made me mad.
     
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    I saw this film a couple of months ago. I was previously aware of most the information but it does present it in a very concise straight ahead manner. Some people will be blown away by it and some will just write it off as conspiracy propaganda, but I think it should be seen by everybody...
     
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    The first reddened passage is a sure sign for me that this movie is far from a must-see. The how manieth rehash of conspiracy theories regarding 9/11 and the Fed will we see? I see myself as a free thinking person, but my mind also tells me that the only grain of truth in these theories is usually the event they emerge from, whereas all the conclusions are highly speculative. But that's stuff for another thread.

    I know how easy it is to manipulate through television and newspapers. Has to be, after all, both only give fragments of an event, the selection of these fragments depends on the journalist and his own political biases. The most manipulative medium of publication however remains the hotbed of conspiracy theories: The Internet, where the biggest crap can be presented in the most serious way.
     
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    Exactly what conspiracy theory are you referring to? I'm curious as to why you believe by merely presenting the facts of what happened on 9/11 minus speculation, amounts to a conspiracy theory. There are many unanswered questions about the events of that day. The known facts of that day do not even come close to matching the "official" theory. I would think that as a free thinking person, your mind might also mention that as well.

    On a side note...I would be very grateful if anyone could please find me just one photo from anywhere of crash debris at the Pentagon on that day.
     
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    a friend sent it to me, and it was hugely interesting. i never got the chance to watch the third part, but the first two were mind-opening.
     
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    It was made legally available on youtube. I think there are 13 episodes. I send it to all of my facebook friends. I don't believe everything that it says, but it's still very interesting--especially the Messiah mythology. The 9/11 stuff wasn't so believable.
     
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    I saw it and thought it was interesting.

    The rest as they say, remains to be seen.
     
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    VERY informative flick
     
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    This film is amazing and eye-opening thus far...I'm beginning part 3 right now. I think as far as the part on 9/11 goes, "loose change" was pretty biased and made claims that were reaches. I think this presents everything in fact. The videos, interviews, etc are particularly skewed.

    If you have not, watch this please!
     
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    I have not seen the film, but I own the Smashing Pumpkins album by the same name...
     
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    ...and WOW, part 3 is the most riviting part and a great conclusion to the previous 2.

    I warn you, this film leaves you feeling just a little insignificant...but well worth the time.
     
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    It is a must see.
     
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    Hi rec. What part of the events on 9/11 did you not find believable? The rate at which the buildings fell? The lack of any debris or film evidence at neither the Pentagon or in Pennsylvania? The war exercises going on that prevented intervention by any defensive action over the entire period of take off to impact? Building number 7 imploding later that day for no apparent reason? These are just some of the factual events of the day. Everyone has to draw their own conclusions as to how they interpret them and what really happened.

    I found the third part to be the scariest. It almost makes it inconsequential, aside from the symbolism, who becomes the next President. The agenda is already well in place.

    As is related to this topic, I would also direct anybody interested, to the web site: Welcome to the Project for the New American Century

    It was established in 1997 by the men who 3 years later would steal the White House and implement the principles stated below.



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    That was full of allegorical bias Stretch. It's clear which side of the fence you sit on.

    Do you really believe that the US government has the sophistication to pull of such a huge hoax? Just as with the moon landing, I can't believe that the government can pull off such and elaborate exercise without leaving significant evidence.

    There are plenty of explanations for the apparent rate that the buildings fell, building number 7's demise, the lack of debris in Pennsylvania. For every conspiracy theory there is a non-conspiracy theory, but at the end of the day I find it difficult to believe that the government could organize such a huge undertaking en camera. I do believe that suggestions of a possible attack were ignored. This could be due to the administration's desire for an incident, or it could simply be ineptitude.

    Don't flatter those idiots.
     
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    It's funnier than any Will Ferrell movie, I'll give them that.
     
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    Call me a prophet, call me supernatural, whatever. I knew these old chestnuts would come up. Being no expert in the field of structural engineering, I will avoid conclusions here, but I can give you answers for two issues.

    1. The seemingly obvious lack of debris at the Pentagon/Shanksville crash sites. Above all: A plane crash is no car accident, where there is a wreck worth this name. Please take a look at the images I attached, which show the site of the crash of Air France flight no. 4590, on 7/25/00. You will notice that almost nothing is left, as an example I have added a picture of the largest discernible cockpit part. Most of the fuselage, wings and interior was burnt to cinder, more massive parts embedded themselves in the earth. By the way, a hotel has been flattened in this crash also. And, just if you should think so: The phots have been taken before the debris were cleared. Other graphs in the report show what parts of the airframe could be reconstructed, look up the file of the report yourself.

    2. The Air Force exercises. I suppose you are referring to Vigilant Guardian, right? This is a war game that is held annually, it has been a constant in my life for a long time, so to say. The exact conduction is not set in stone, but the basic premise still is a major air thread to CONUS, through a soviet or generally enemy air force. The date for this exercise has been scheduled much earlier, my personal participation in this had been scheduled for the afternoon of 9/11/01. And it is not unusual that if a case of emergency during an exercise stirs up some shit eventually, especially if it comes unannounced and can be linked to the exercise scenario. That sounds unprofessional, but it is real.

    Oh, and a little word on the political projects. I have long since stopped taking them seriously. They produce speeches, political manifests, accumulate same-minded politicians, but bottom line they remain theoreticians that don't survive the political business outside their office spaces.
     

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    who the f*ck is Peter Joseph, and why should i devote two hours of my time to his opinions?

    it would help if he had some kind of credentials but the official website barely even mentions his name. odd since he is the only person credited in this thing. without some information about the originator there's no way to even begin to assess it's provenance.



    PS check out his 'sources': Zeitgeist - The Movie

    *scoff*
     
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