aesthetics

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LargerThanTheAverageBear:

Originally posted by Dr Rock+Apr 11 2005, 06:53 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Dr Rock &#064; Apr 11 2005, 06:53 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>

Originally posted by PLANK@Apr 11 2005, 09:43 PM
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@Apr 10 2005, 11:49 PM
no. actually I&#39;ve thankfully suffered only minimal exposure to the national stupidity, since I turned my radio off in disgust about 2 weeks ago because they wouldn&#39;t shut up about the fucking pope dying. I predict it will be some time before I bother turning it on again; I swear the entire fucking world gets more and more idiotic every year.

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Please don&#39;t ever use those two words together in a sentance ever again&#33; And if you can&#39;t tell which ones I&#39;m refering to then your not as bright as I thought you were.

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I guess you&#39;d better prepare yourself to be disappointed, then.

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I was guessing "minimal exposure"

 

[Dr Rock]

hehe. I had a couple of guesses, but I gotta admit that "fucking pope" wasn&#39;t one of them. some folks need to take things less seriously, I think.

 

[madame_zora]

Well, at least it would be nice is we could get over ourselves and our stupid expectations about life and death. A solemn remembrance of his life would be plenty appropriate, but the shock, trauma and disbelief that the world is experiencing is just stupid beyond measure&#33; When an old sick guy dies, it&#39;s completely to be expected, but not in our society&#33;

I can&#39;t tell you how many times I had to counsel families who&#39;d had a 97 year old athsmatic uncle with severe brain damamge and a tracheotomy that when the poor guy died, the relations would go into shock and say "we just never expected that&#33;" Well, why the hell not? Wasn&#39;t it obvious? Why do people feel they&#39;re deserving of sympathy just because they&#39;re too ignorant to face the reality that life has a beginning and end. Yes, it&#39;s sad when someone you respect dies and is no longer a part of your life, but to get whacko over it and treat it like your brother died is insane. I dislike the media circus that seems to say it&#39;s okay to exploit our lack of sensibility wrt death because they can sell more papers, commercial spots during the news and time on the radio. Keep us weak and stupid, keep us "tuned in". Most every emotion we feel about this has been cleverly planned my marketing agents behind the scenes. Please guys, let&#39;s not fall for it. Don&#39;t let the media be the Pope&#39;s largest beneficiary.

 

[Leung]

Originally posted by BlondBoy_16+Apr 12 2005, 07:42 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BlondBoy_16 &#064; Apr 12 2005, 07:42 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'>I agree with dr.Rock the world is getting increasingly stupid by the second,the thing which finally convinced me that the world had finally lost the plot was the sight of millions of people qeuing up to take photos of a dead guy in a stupid hat and big boots.
And then the next day queing up to watch some fucking ugly woman marry a parsitic moron and saying things like &#39;ohhhhh isnt it wonderful&#39;.

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I really don&#39;t think it is fair to say that millions of people queued up to see a random dead man in a hat. That is seriously unfair and pathetic. I pitty the fact that you cannot comprehend what this man meant to an awful lot of people. Pope John Paul II was a great man, admittedly he has done some questionable things during his palpacy, but he has also done some amazing things. As the head of a religion many people feel his loss personally. He was a good man and I think that it is a shame that he is being so disrespected in such a way.


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Well, at least it would be nice is we could get over ourselves and our stupid expectations about life and death. A solemn remembrance of his life would be plenty appropriate, but the shock, trauma and disbelief that the world is experiencing is just stupid beyond measure&#33; When an old sick guy dies, it&#39;s completely to be expected, but not in our society&#33;

I can&#39;t tell you how many times I had to counsel families who&#39;d had a 97 year old athsmatic uncle with severe brain damamge and a tracheotomy that when the poor guy died, the relations would go into shock and say "we just never expected that&#33;" Well, why the hell not? Wasn&#39;t it obvious? Why do people feel they&#39;re deserving of sympathy just because they&#39;re too ignorant to face the reality that life has a beginning and end. Yes, it&#39;s sad when someone you respect dies and is no longer a part of your life, but to get whacko over it and treat it like your brother died is insane. I dislike the media circus that seems to say it&#39;s okay to exploit our lack of sensibility wrt death because they can sell more papers, commercial spots during the news and time on the radio. Keep us weak and stupid, keep us "tuned in". Most every emotion we feel about this has been cleverly planned my marketing agents behind the scenes. Please guys, let&#39;s not fall for it. Don&#39;t let the media be the Pope&#39;s largest beneficiary.

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I do not know what the media was like in the States so I cannot really comment on that. I feel that the BBC handled the whole thing very well, and were extremely respectful. I honestly don&#39;t feel that people&#39;s emotions were planned by the media. I suppose that I cannot be considered unbiased as I come from a largely catholic family, although being an atheist myself, i can appreciate what the Pope&#39;s loss means to a lot of people.

I admit that the large media coverage of the Pope&#39;s decline, lying in state and funeral may have been miscontrued as being overly invaisive and a direct result of the Big Brother mind set, where everything has to be seen 24hrs a day. However, for many people being able to witness the events gave them a level of closure that they needed that they wouldn&#39;t have been able to receive from just reading the paper.

 

[B_hungrick]

Originally posted by BlondBoy_16@Apr 11 2005, 10:42 PM
I agree with dr.Rock the world is getting increasingly stupid by the second,the thing which finally convinced me that the world had finally lost the plot was the sight of millions of people qeuing up to take photos of a dead guy in a stupid hat and big boots.
And then the next day queing up to watch some fucking ugly woman marry a parsitic moron and saying things like &#39;ohhhhh isnt it wonderful&#39;.

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Wow, pretty amazing where this post has gone so far...from beauty to the pope&#39;s death. I&#39;m not sure if my original question was interesting enough for people to respond to.

As far as the pope goes, I didn&#39;t know him & definitely have a hard time trying to understand why "media stars" get all this attention, other than their own self-promotion, including Mr. John Paul. I&#39;m not sure I&#39;ve ever cared about a film personality or any other sort of public person. It seems a little shallow to me.

Thanx for all the responses so far. They&#39;ve been interesting for sure.

 

[Dr Rock]

Originally posted by Leung@Apr 12 2005, 08:50 PM
I pitty the fact that you cannot comprehend what this man meant to an awful lot of people.

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I pity anyone with so little self-respect that they&#39;d go apeshit over his death.

 

[Leung]

Originally posted by Dr Rock+Apr 12 2005, 11:31 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Dr Rock &#064; Apr 12 2005, 11:31 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Leung@Apr 12 2005, 08:50 PM
I pitty the fact that you cannot comprehend what this man meant to an awful lot of people.

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I pity anyone with so little self-respect that they&#39;d go apeshit over his death.

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I think many people do have the right to go "apeshit". He was the head of their religion, he meant a lot to them.

 

[Freddie53]

Originally posted by Dr Rock+Apr 12 2005, 05:31 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Dr Rock &#064; Apr 12 2005, 05:31 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Leung@Apr 12 2005, 08:50 PM
I pitty the fact that you cannot comprehend what this man meant to an awful lot of people.

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I pity anyone with so little self-respect that they&#39;d go apeshit over his death.

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Dr. Rock,

I think that different people grieve and deal with unpleasant things in different ways. And I doubt that we can change ourselves that much.

You would have done well in dealing with death in the 19th century. No embalming. Hot day. So I know that when my great grandmother died at a very early age in the middle of the summer, my great grandfather made a hasty casket, she was put in the ground right then and then he took his children including my grandfather all very young children a days ride in a wagon to tell my great grandmothers parents. I doubt there was an obituary. There may have been some grave side service. I&#39;m not even sure of that. And he left the children for the grandparents to raise. That is all I know about the story.

You are a "well lets bury our friend." Say a few words and move on. The person is dead. We can&#39;t bring him back. And constantly talking about our friend is emotionaly draining on you.

But there are other people who the more they talk about it the better they feel They need to share and share and share.

We aren&#39;t all the same.

So, you have an advantage and you took it. Turn off the media.

One of the things that I thought was so wonderful was when we went to cable with all those many stations. Well, one night they all have a baseball game, and when the Pope died, they all caried the story.

There is a real need for the media to let different stations carry different things. Yes, there was a need for all the media coverage of the Pope&#39;s viewing and service. But as you know EVERY station covered it. No matter which station you turned to if it was a general news station, the very same identical broadcast, only the commentators were different.

So I am sure that many people as they surfed the TV and found that no matter which news station or network station they turned to it was the very same thing were a little aggrevated. I have been before when the event being covered just wasn&#39;t something I wanted to see and I surfed and finally turned the TV off because I couldn&#39;t find anything on but that lead news story which I didn&#39;t want to see.

BOTTOM LINE: There needs to be balance and variety in news coverage to fit the needs of all, not every station should cater to the needs of a particular group just because it is the major news story that day. The fact that the Pope&#39;s funeral was the largest in history is a news item and should be covered but not by all 30 plus channels on the TV 24/7and let&#39;s not even talk about radio.

One observation: It has really helped all of us express ourselves here and I am amazed how we can start out on opposite sides and come to a middle understanding that we all can at least live with. Shame the word leaders don&#39;t operate like the LPSG. Maybe we would have less war and more peace.

 

[Leung]

Originally posted by Freddie53+Apr 13 2005, 01:58 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Freddie53 &#064; Apr 13 2005, 01:58 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'>

Originally posted by Dr Rock@Apr 12 2005, 05:31 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Leung

@Apr 12 2005, 08:50 PM
I pitty the fact that you cannot comprehend what this man meant to an awful lot of people.

[post=300064]Quoted post[/post]​

I pity anyone with so little self-respect that they&#39;d go apeshit over his death.

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Dr. Rock,

I think that different people grieve and deal with unpleasant things in different ways. And I doubt that we can change ourselves that much.

You would have done well in dealing with death in the 19th century. No embalming. Hot day. So I know that when my great grandmother died at a very early age in the middle of the summer, my great grandfather made a hasty casket, she was put in the ground right then and then he took his children including my grandfather all very young children a days ride in a wagon to tell my great grandmothers parents. I doubt there was an obituary. There may have been some grave side service. I&#39;m not even sure of that. And he left the children for the grandparents to raise. That is all I know about the story.

You are a "well lets bury our friend." Say a few words and move on. The person is dead. We can&#39;t bring him back. And constantly talking about our friend is emotionaly draining on you.

But there are other people who the more they talk about it the better they feel They need to share and share and share.

We aren&#39;t all the same.

So, you have an advantage and you took it. Turn off the media.

One of the things that I thought was so wonderful was when we went to cable with all those many stations. Well, one night they all have a baseball game, and when the Pope died, they all caried the story.

There is a real need for the media to let different stations carry different things. Yes, there was a need for all the media coverage of the Pope&#39;s viewing and service. But as you know EVERY station covered it. No matter which station you turned to if it was a general news station, the very same identical broadcast, only the commentators were different.

So I am sure that many people as they surfed the TV and found that no matter which news station or network station they turned to it was the very same thing were a little aggrevated. I have been before when the event being covered just wasn&#39;t something I wanted to see and I surfed and finally turned the TV off because I couldn&#39;t find anything on but that lead news story which I didn&#39;t want to see.

BOTTOM LINE: There needs to be balance and variety in news coverage to fit the needs of all, not every station should cater to the needs of a particular group just because it is the major news story that day. The fact that the Pope&#39;s funeral was the largest in history is a news item and should be covered but not by all 30 plus channels on the TV 24/7and let&#39;s not even talk about radio.

One observation: It has really helped all of us express ourselves here and I am amazed how we can start out on opposite sides and come to a middle understanding that we all can at least live with. Shame the word leaders don&#39;t operate like the LPSG. Maybe we would have less war and more peace.

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That was beautifully put Freddie, much better then I could do it.

Re the world leaders thing. I think that the reason that there is so much war is because world leaders, *cough* Bush *cough*, need war to over compensate for something, and therefore they wouldn&#39;t join LPSG, if you know what I mean

 

[BruceSter]

Originally posted by Leung@Apr 11 2005, 04:13 PM
I don&#39;t think Camilla is that ugly. She is extremely handsome for a woman her age. The thing is her sprogs with Andrew Parker-Bowles (is that right jonb? ) are pretty good looking, and Charles&#39; are also not exactly an eye sore, so maybe they would have good looking children.
I think everyone is very unfair on poor Camilla, it isn&#39;t as if she really did anything wrong, and she is a very pleasant lady.

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Hummm... had to check out that stuff on the net, but I agree with you, Leung... she&#39;s good-looking in a earthy way, nothing wrong with that. And some older photos of her show she&#39;s been a really good looking woman then too.

Bruce

 

[Bananaman]

You put things rather well yourself, Leung&#33; *cough cough*

B-man

 

[B_UNKNOWN321]

Originally posted by hungrick+Apr 12 2005, 05:17 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(hungrick &#064; Apr 12 2005, 05:17 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-BlondBoy_16@Apr 11 2005, 10:42 PM
I agree with dr.Rock the world is getting increasingly stupid by the second,the thing which finally convinced me that the world had finally lost the plot was the sight of millions of people qeuing up to take photos of a dead guy in a stupid hat and big boots.
And then the next day queing up to watch some fucking ugly woman marry a parsitic moron and saying things like &#39;ohhhhh isnt it wonderful&#39;.

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Wow, pretty amazing where this post has gone so far...from beauty to the pope&#39;s death. I&#39;m not sure if my original question was interesting enough for people to respond to.

As far as the pope goes, I didn&#39;t know him & definitely have a hard time trying to understand why "media stars" get all this attention, other than their own self-promotion, including Mr. John Paul. I&#39;m not sure I&#39;ve ever cared about a film personality or any other sort of public person. It seems a little shallow to me.

Thanx for all the responses so far. They&#39;ve been interesting for sure.

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It would be a shame for someone to look at your post and turn away because of the direction it took if they were looking for the aesthetics thing or not know that there was a heated and very provocative debate going on in there. I wonder if you would change the title of your thread to reflect its dual nature (not equally dual though). Lest we forget we all know men are beautiful no matter what our interest is when we look at them.

 

[B_hungrick]

Originally posted by motlissof+Apr 13 2005, 02:02 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(motlissof &#064; Apr 13 2005, 02:02 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>

Originally posted by hungrick@Apr 12 2005, 05:17 PM
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@Apr 11 2005, 10:42 PM
I agree with dr.Rock the world is getting increasingly stupid by the second,the thing which finally convinced me that the world had finally lost the plot was the sight of millions of people qeuing up to take photos of a dead guy in a stupid hat and big boots.
And then the next day queing up to watch some fucking ugly woman marry a parsitic moron and saying things like &#39;ohhhhh isnt it wonderful&#39;.

[post=299912]Quoted post[/post]​

Wow, pretty amazing where this post has gone so far...from beauty to the pope&#39;s death. I&#39;m not sure if my original question was interesting enough for people to respond to.

As far as the pope goes, I didn&#39;t know him & definitely have a hard time trying to understand why "media stars" get all this attention, other than their own self-promotion, including Mr. John Paul. I&#39;m not sure I&#39;ve ever cared about a film personality or any other sort of public person. It seems a little shallow to me.

Thanx for all the responses so far. They&#39;ve been interesting for sure.

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It would be a shame for someone to look at your post and turn away because of the direction it took if they were looking for the aesthetics thing or not know that there was a heated and very provocative debate going on in there. I wonder if you would change the title of your thread to reflect its dual nature (not equally dual though). Lest we forget we all know men are beautiful no matter what our interest is when we look at them.

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Great suggestion but I don&#39;t have a rat&#39;s ass clue on how to do that&#33;

Mr. Beautiful

 

[B_HungSpermBoy]

I&#39;m thinking that when I&#39;m really horny then my body & my hard dick looks pretty sexy. But when I&#39;m not horny, then I don&#39;t really notice my body too much except to keep it clean. This is just my own observation.

 

[madame_zora]

Don&#39;t worry baby, WE notice it for you&#33;

 

[B_HungSpermBoy]

Originally posted by madame_zora@Apr 16 2005, 03:48 AM
Don&#39;t worry baby, WE notice it for you&#33;

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Wow,Madame Zora&#33; Thanx&#33;
I&#39;m blushing big time&#33;

 

[madame_zora]

Didn&#39;t mean to embarass you, love- just pointing out the obvious.

 

[B_hungrick]

Didn't mean to embarass you, love- just pointing out the obvious.

Yeh I'm thinking that HSB is pretty fucking cute, for a male that is. :biggrin1:

 

[B_Jeff's Pole]

this is a cool topic but could someone let me know how you can determine what is attractive or beautiful?

I haven't see this topic anywhere else, so I thought I'd start it.

I'm wondering how much aesthetics has to do with our attraction to various bodies and body parts? This is true for both female & male bodies & also for straight folks as well as gay.

For instance, a gay guy may be attracted to another guy because of what his body looks like, how it's put together. The same may be true for a straight guy looking at a particular woman. But I can also see how a gay guy might also find a particular female body as attractive or a straight guy might think that some other guy is well put together. Also I have male friends who will compliment me on my physical condition, but this doesn't seem to extend itself to sexual attraction, at least that I'm aware of.

Since I consider myself somewhat of an exhibitionist, I'm wondering how much of it is a sexual attraction & how much is aesthetics? Or does any of this make sense to people? The same can be said for cocks or breasts or faces or whatever.

What's the over-lap between general attraction & sexual attraction?

Thanx.

 

[B_IanTheTall]

this is a cool topic but could someone let me know how you can determine what is attractive or beautiful?

Beauty is a visual attribute, while attractive involves feeling. Both of these concepts are highly objective.

For example:
Beautiful and attractive women are Isabella Rosellini, Juliet Binoche, Liv Tyler, Kirsten Dunst and Catherine Deneuve.
Beautiful women, that I don't find attractive are Cindy Crawford and Christie Brinkley.
Attractive but not necessarily societally beautiful women are Tori Amos, Julia Sweeney, Lauren Hutton and Vanessa Redgrave.

One thing about women who are beautiful and attractive, they tend to remain look good as they mature, look at Lauren Hutton now.

The closest I can think of a male being beautiful would have been River Phoenix&#8224; or Elijah Wood, [url='http://www.spunkys.curvedspaces.com/Superstars/orlando/images/1047910254188_ob21.jpg"]Orlando Bloom[/url] (especially as a blond) and Brett. Beautiful men tend to be androgynous, having high masculine and high famine traits; endogeny shouldn't be confused with undifferentiated, low masculine and low faminin.Most beautiful men are like his guy.

I tend to be attracted to guys like Dominic Monaghan (wearing the turtle neck), Kevin Zegers, Alexandre Despatie, Jake Gyllenhaal, Jared Padalecki and Jon-Erik Hexum&#8224;.

OK, my taste tends to quite pretty broad.