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So pleased this man is being honoured on the new £50 note.Such a remarkable and gifted man.
I know; they only really put dead people on banknotes, so my point was it is not time yet.Tim Berners Lee is still alive!
He wasn't castrated,he was given hormone treatment to lower his libido,which he agreed to.It wasnt a punishment,it was at the time considered treatment at the time.He didn't bear a grudge and actually continued to work quite happily.Fortunetly we see things differently now.He was so way ahead of his time! Coming up with the "Turing Test" methodology in 1950(!) for artificial intelligence to test whether AI could be equivalent/indistinguishable from humans! A brilliant mind!!
But the truly shameful thing was how he was chemically castrated for his homosexuality. Putting him on a bank note is some kind of "apology" but jeez, it really doesn't even begin to rectify what they did to this genius of a man.
Still is, largely. The 1967 Sexual Offences Act only partly decriminalised homosexuality in England and Wales.Yet another massive fuck up when criminal law was based on Biblical morality.
Obviously things are the way they are! But, where do other people get off telling others what they can do? Why do people need to control what others do?Still is, largely. The 1967 Sexual Offences Act only partly decriminalised homosexuality in England and Wales.
Gay sex remained prosecutable unless it took place in strict privacy, which meant in a person’s own home, behind locked doors and windows, with the curtains drawn and with no other person present in any part of the house. It continued to be a crime if more than two men had sex together or if they were filmed or photographed having sex by another person. Seven men in Bolton were convicted of these offences and two were given suspended jail terms – in 1998.
In Northern Ireland, the ban on anal sex was not finally repealed until 2008. Scotland’s anti-gay laws were repealed in 2009 but, in the case of sodomy, did not take effect until 2013. Gay sex ceased to be a crime in the UK only 6 years ago.
You think we’ve had 50 years of gay liberation? In the UK it’s barely four | Peter Tatchell
Turing's posthumous “pardon” by the Queen as an “exceptional genius” and “war hero” is all well and good, but what about the many thousands of gay men prosecuted under the same laws who were less exceptional. Pardon isn’t the word for it, it's a fucking national disgrace.
He wasn't castrated,he was given hormone treatment to lower his libido,which he agreed to.It wasnt a punishment,it was at the time considered treatment at the time.He didn't bear a grudge and actually continued to work quite happily.Fortunetly we see things differently now.
Still is, largely. The 1967 Sexual Offences Act only partly decriminalised homosexuality in England and Wales.
Gay sex remained prosecutable unless it took place in strict privacy, which meant in a person’s own home, behind locked doors and windows, with the curtains drawn and with no other person present in any part of the house. It continued to be a crime if more than two men had sex together or if they were filmed or photographed having sex by another person. Seven men in Bolton were convicted of these offences and two were given suspended jail terms – in 1998.
In Northern Ireland, the ban on anal sex was not finally repealed until 2008. Scotland’s anti-gay laws were repealed in 2009 but, in the case of sodomy, did not take effect until 2013. Gay sex ceased to be a crime in the UK only 6 years ago.
You think we’ve had 50 years of gay liberation? In the UK it’s barely four | Peter Tatchell
Turing's posthumous “pardon” by the Queen as an “exceptional genius” and “war hero” is all well and good, but what about the many thousands of gay men prosecuted under the same laws who were less exceptional. Pardon isn’t the word for it, it's a fucking national disgrace.
I just don’t know. Seems like there's an enduring atavistic disgust, maybe genetic in basis, around mm sex acts. It's just there. A visceral reaction. Many are still quite open about it. If you feel that disgust it must be hard not also to feel that there's something morally wrong about what causes you disgust - “nature’s way” of telling you it's wrong. And when the majority feel that way, it gets passed into law.Obviously things are the way they are! But, where do other people get off telling others what they can do? Why do people need to control what others do?
True, after much campaigning. Think it still only applies to England and Wales. But yeah, better late than never.I agree to some extent about the pardon thing, but it is worth noting that three years after the Queen pardoned Turing, the British government posthumously pardoned thousands (essentially, every single one) of gay and bisexual men who had been previously convicted of homosexual acts.
Still is, largely. The 1967 Sexual Offences Act only partly decriminalised homosexuality in England and Wales.
Er,do some investigating of the story before you mouth off.He wasnt castrated,he was given hormone treatment,which was not something he had to submit to.The authorities took a dim view of him being caught with a much younger man,a teenager in fact,which was regarded in those days as predatory behaviour,so he was offered it as a treatment not as part of his prosecution.Other men at the time were invariably fined or given short prison sentences.As for him committing suicide,it is now widely believed his death was accidental,indeed his mother and several close friends maintain this to be true.Agreed to it? Agreed to it?
Are you fucking serious?
First of all, it *was* considered chemical castration, a tool that was also used against rapists and pedophiles.
Second, he was given the choice of that or imprisonment. Some choice...
Third, he hated it so much that he committed suicide!
My post was directed mainly at this... I think u believe what u would like to believe. There is no argument for what happened to Turing it was not right.Er,do some investigating of the story before you mouth off.He wasnt castrated,he was given hormone treatment,which was not something he had to submit to.The authorities took a dim view of him being caught with a much younger man,a teenager in fact,which was regarded in those days as predatory behaviour,so he was offered it as a treatment not as part of his prosecution.Other men at the time were invariably fined or given short prison sentences.As for him committing suicide,it is now widely believed his death was accidental,indeed his mother and several close friends maintain this to be true.
Today's standards are not the same as the standards then.No doubt in another 60 years ours will be equally puzzled over.It was desperately sad what happened to him.I believe his homosexuality was not something he felt comfortable with,he wanted to be married,indeed he was engaged to a woman,but backed at the last minute.I believe this is why he voluntarily submitted to the hormone treatment.Rightly or wrongly some people believed it to be a possible 'cure.' Perhaps he did? People must also remember that at this time there were also a number of high profile cases of importuning,John Gielgud and Alec Guiness being two such both I believed were merely fined.I think it was different with Turing because of the age of the man involved and also because of the security issues.My post was directed mainly at this... I think u believe what u would like to believe. There is no argument for what happened to Turing it was not right.
I think he probably 'voluntarily submitted to the hormone treatment' because it seemed like a better option than prison lol. Of course times have changed and obviously he is not the only case but for the things he did for the world it seems even more fucked up.Today's standards are not the same as the standards then.No doubt in another 60 years ours will be equally puzzled over.It was desperately sad what happened to him.I believe his homosexuality was not something he felt comfortable with,he wanted to be married,indeed he was engaged to a woman,but backed at the last minute.I believe this is why he voluntarily submitted to the hormone treatment.Rightly or wrongly some people believed it to be a possible 'cure.' Perhaps he did? People must also remember that at this time there were also a number of high profile cases of importuning,John Gielgud and Alec Guiness being two such both I believed were merely fined.I think it was different with Turing because of the age of the man involved and also because of the security issues.