Are masculine gay gays a myth?

[KYLPlover]

I have a thing for guys that tend to be on the more masculine side. Hairy, deep voice, not afriad to get their hands dirty. I can't ever seem to find them. At this point im starting to think they dont exist.

I've been told that im looking for a stereotypical straight mam. That may be true. Everyone has a type, I guess. I just don't think gay men are all the same. We are inundated with the stereotypical gay man at every turn. Lesbians run the spectrum of lipstick to more masculine. Why shouldn't gay me?

Let me be clear, I have absolutely nothing against guys that sway toward the fem side. I find can find something in common with just about every type of guy. It just doesn't do it for me in the bedroom.

I guess my question is whether or not "masculine" gay guys actually exist and why are they more prevalent.

Are you one? Do you know one? What are your theories? Im interested in a healthy conversation on topic.

 

[BIGBULL29]

Well, buddy, I'm involved in the swinging lifestyle as a white bull. Many of these men I interact with are very bisexual, as they genuinely like women sexually (no doubt it about). That said, many of them (around 70%) admit that they have some bisexual tendencies (at some point).

Many latest interaction was with a roughneck biker dude. We met online via a swinger's forum. He sent me pictures of his wife, and the wanted to know a bit about me. He then proceeded to ask me about my penis size, and wanted to see pictures of it. He was, of course, super impressed. Not long after, he sent me a bunch of pics and videos of him and his woman. I was so turned on by them both, and they were likewise to me. This dude, I swear, is beyond masculine. I cannot share his pics and videos with you, but he's such a roughneck. He went on to tell me that he has a secret, and that I am not sure it with anyone: he's very aroused by looking at a dick of a well-hung man (not dicks in general, though). He made a point to tell me that he has no romantic interest in men.

During our online chat interactions, he finally admitted that he wanted me to breed his wife (not really get her pregnant), and watch my big boy dick go inside and out of her. The roughneck husband said that if he gets aroused enough, he might want to get a "little gay" with me, if I'd be okay with it (no kissing, though). He said he might get weak in the knees from seeing my dick, and he might need to interact with me sexually, if I'm the hung stud I claim to be.

They want to meet up possibly with me in the near future, but we have to continue our relationship online to make sure it's a right fit (no pun intended). I've known this couple for a while, by the way. They don't live that far from me, even though I've never seen them in person. I cannot share their pics and videos with anyone, because I have their faces and much more on them.

All was said above to make this point: I know said man is not a true gay man, but he is a total roughneck dude (voice and all). The pictures and videos tell it all. And, yes, he fantasizes about gay interaction with a well-hung stud with his wife present. So, yes, very masculine men can have strong gay fantasies and want to act them out. As you see, very straight-acting men will sometimes use the route of getting a bull for their wives to live out this fantasy. The woman's presence in the scenario takes some of the gay out of the situation in their minds.

I understand I'm not talking about typical gay man who has sex exclusively with men, and who wants romance with other men, as well. But, if you want to get gay with a very macho dude, get in a scenario with a swinger scenario looking for a well-hung bull. There, you will see how gay straight men can really be. LOL.

 

[Cum_is_Great]

Obviously there are masculine gay men. I've heard online from some men looking for masculine gay men, they never could find many of them until they started presenting more feminine; as the more masculine gay men liked more fem men. Of course that makes some sense but obviously isnt a hard rule.

So maybe that is the problem? Of course there are masculine gay men who like other masculine gay men. (Have you ever heard the term "masc4masc"?) But I'm sure it gets more difficult to find the perfect partner ther more you scrutinize their potential. Not saying to settle, but maybe you are prejudging some men as "not masculine enough" and removing all possibilities for finding the right man.

I'm just surprised you would make the bold claim that they are a myth. That leans me more thibking that you may be subconsciously seeing men in a certain way, affected by past bias/trauma/fantasy.

 

[chrisrobin]

No myth, most don't go on dating apps, hang around in gay bars but do cruise.

 

[KYLPlover]

Obviously there are masculine gay men. I've heard online from some men looking for masculine gay men, they never could find many of them until they started presenting more feminine; as the more masculine gay men liked more fem men. Of course that makes some sense but obviously isnt a hard rule.

So maybe that is the problem? Of course there are masculine gay men who like other masculine gay men. (Have you ever heard the term "masc4masc"?) But I'm sure it gets more difficult to find the perfect partner ther more you scrutinize their potential. Not saying to settle, but maybe you are prejudging some men as "not masculine enough" and removing all possibilities for finding the right man.

I'm just surprised you would make the bold claim that they are a myth. That leans me more thibking that you may be subconsciously seeing men in a certain way, affected by past bias/trauma/fantasy.

First, id just like to clear it up that I wasn't claiming they were a myth. Its was a genuine question. Also, the examples I used were qualities that I personally like in a guy, not prerequisites for masculinity. I'm definitely not ruling anyone out based on a single thing. I can see how it could be read that way though.

Its definitely more of a vibe that a guy gives off over checking all the right boxes. I just feel like that effeminate gay men are much for celebrated in culture that guys that tend to be more masculine.

I think its a little bold to claim that past trauma or personal fantasies make me see men in a certain way. I would like to remind you, you dont know me. My post was a board question that I was looking for people's opinions on and you came for me personally instead of answering the second part on why they aren't more prevalent.

Modern gay fantasy has routinely revolved around masculinity but gay men who are the polar opposite are usually the ones celebrated in gay culture. I see way more gay guys that say they dislike the masc 4 masc culture than guys that actually say masc 4 masc only. I think there is more than enough space to feature both but its not the image of gay men that most want to highlight. Thats an issue

 

[KYLPlover]

No myth, most don't go on dating apps, hang around in gay bars but do cruise.

But thats as issue. Cruising culture comes from a time when society said it was bad to have same sex attraction. We dont have do that anymore. Its very prevalent still but it only breeds dishonesty and risky behavior. Shouldn't we try to make it more acceptable for the masculine gay guys to be more open rather than living in the shadows?

 

[KYLPlover]

Well, buddy, I'm involved in the swinging lifestyle as a white bull. Many of these men I interact with are very bisexual, as they genuinely like women sexually (no doubt it about). That said, many of them (around 70%) admit that they have some bisexual tendencies (at some point).

Many latest interaction was with a roughneck biker dude. We met online via a swinger's forum. He sent me pictures of his wife, and the wanted to know a bit about me. He then proceeded to ask me about my penis size, and wanted to see pictures of it. He was, of course, super impressed. Not long after, he sent me a bunch of pics and videos of him and his woman. I was so turned on by them both, and they were likewise to me. This dude, I swear, is beyond masculine. I cannot share his pics and videos with you, but he's such a roughneck. He went on to tell me that he has a secret, and that I am not sure it with anyone: he's very aroused by looking at a dick of a well-hung man (not dicks in general, though). He made a point to tell me that he has no romantic interest in men.

During our online chat interactions, he finally admitted that he wanted me to breed his wife (not really get her pregnant), and watch my big boy dick go inside and out of her. The roughneck husband said that if he gets aroused enough, he might want to get a "little gay" with me, if I'd be okay with it (no kissing, though). He said he might get weak in the knees from seeing my dick, and he might need to interact with me sexually, if I'm the hung stud I claim to be.

They want to meet up possibly with me in the near future, but we have to continue our relationship online to make sure it's a right fit (no pun intended). I've known this couple for a while, by the way. They don't live that far from me, even though I've never seen them in person. I cannot share their pics and videos with anyone, because I have their faces and much more on them.

All was said above to make this point: I know said man is not a true gay man, but he is a total roughneck dude (voice and all). The pictures and videos tell it all. And, yes, he fantasizes about gay interaction with a well-hung stud with his wife present. So, yes, very masculine men can have strong gay fantasies and want to act them out. As you see, very straight-acting men will sometimes use the route of getting a bull for their wives to live out this fantasy. The woman's presence in the scenario takes some of the gay out of the situation in their minds.

I understand I'm not talking about typical gay man who has sex exclusively with men, and who wants romance with other men, as well. But, if you want to get gay with a very macho dude, get in a scenario with a swinger scenario looking for a well-hung bull. There, you will see how gay straight men can really be. LOL.

I personally like bisexual guys. Not really into swinging culture but a masculine guy with a big dick might make me rethink it

 

[Cum_is_Great]

I think its a little bold to claim that past trauma or personal fantasies make me see men in a certain way. I would like to remind you, you dont know me. My post was a board question that I was looking for people's opinions on and you came for me personally instead of answering the second part on why they aren't more prevalent.

I wasnt meaning to be personal nor claim i know you. That part only was in reference to the claim that they were a myth. As the only way I can see someone saying that is because of those. So I apologize if my wording cut personally, I wasn't trying to. Nor was I trying to say you definitely are clouded in judgment.

 

[Cum_is_Great]

Modern gay fantasy has routinely revolved around masculinity but gay men who are the polar opposite are usually the ones celebrated in gay culture. I see way more gay guys that say they dislike the masc 4 masc culture than guys that actually say masc 4 masc only. I think there is more than enough space to feature both but its not the image of gay men that most want to highlight. Thats an issue

I think that we are in the time period where people are trying to "over-correct" for how gay fantasy was in the past. I still think masculine gay men are the norm and cherished. But now feminine men are pushed to show they exist and are hot too. But the amount of push to celebrate them so they could be seen seems disproportionate to the traditional masculinity now. But only because in the past fem gay men were seen as "bad" and now the voices of things outside the traditional are being amplified.

But that's a whole different discussion lol.

Anyway, sorry again if my tone or whatever came across as confrontational. It really wasnt my intent.

 

[KYLPlover]

I wasnt meaning to be personal nor claim i know you. That part only was in reference to the claim that they were a myth. As the only way I can see someone saying that is because of those. So I apologize if my wording cut personally, I wasn't trying to. Nor was I trying to say you definitely are clouded in judgment.

No hard feelings man. I totally see when the post could come off that way. It is frustrating to live in a culture where you only see one type of person, over and over again. My reply was probably more prickly than was intended or needed to be.

 

[BIGBULL29]

I personally like bisexual guys. Not really into swinging culture but a masculine guy with a big dick might make me rethink it

If you were to see this roughneck dude, you'd never think he'd be attracted to a well-hung stud. Never.

We're delusional in life. We think things that are completely untrue. Society lies to us all the time.

I have learned so much through interacting sexually with men of all sexualities. It's been incredible and a total eye-opener. For one, straighter-identfying dudes love to see a big dick on a dude. It's very arousing for them (even if many won't admit it).

Take care.

 

[HemmingwayI]

I have a thing for guys that tend to be on the more masculine side. Hairy, deep voice, not afriad to get their hands dirty. I can't ever seem to find them. At this point im starting to think they dont exist.

I've been told that im looking for a stereotypical straight mam. That may be true. Everyone has a type, I guess. I just don't think gay men are all the same. We are inundated with the stereotypical gay man at every turn. Lesbians run the spectrum of lipstick to more masculine. Why shouldn't gay me?

Let me be clear, I have absolutely nothing against guys that sway toward the fem side. I find can find something in common with just about every type of guy. It just doesn't do it for me in the bedroom.

I guess my question is whether or not "masculine" gay guys actually exist and why are they more prevalent.

Are you one? Do you know one? What are your theories? Im interested in a healthy conversation on topic.

In my experience, as well as distant observation, naturally masculine men ( i.e., men who are completely devoid of stereotypical gay traits) have almost always been bisexual, whether or not they identify as such or not.

 

[chrisrobin]

But thats as issue. Cruising culture comes from a time when society said it was bad to have same sex attraction. We dont have do that anymore. Its very prevalent still but it only breeds dishonesty and risky behavior. Shouldn't we try to make it more acceptable for the masculine gay guys to be more open rather than living in the shadows?

Lets be blunt. Many of these masculine guys don't want to be associated with those in Ru Pauls Drag Race - and thats how many see the gay community, well, gays! So the masculine guys are happy in dirty jeans, rough hands and avoid flapping wrists and mincing walks.