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Fat shaming is a form of objectification. That's a negative action.
Tsp eating about human beings in this way, "I'd lay some pipe and bust a nut in her" is even more objectifying and dehumanizing.

Sad and pathetic. Fat can be changed. Not sure about the other.
 

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I think there SHOULD be more fat shaming. Though not so much in this particular case.

America has a problem. Economics and commerce have created a system in which millions and millions of people can cause agricultural systems to drain massive amounts of energy from the sun to grow and harvest grain, turn MASSES of that into meat, and then cram it in, as hamburgers, pancakes and bacon, steaks and cheesecakes. Over and over again. Almost everyone there is clinically obese.

The tiny group who get involved in sports and fitness are increasingly seen as the freaks... Maybe one or two top sports people are seriously admired, but most of the everyday people who go running or jogging, or working out, are often seen as vain or arrogant. That's just wrong. Every one of us is blessed with a body that can be fit and strong, and we all ought to do something about it. ( I do, despite a medical history that might have put me off ...)

So / I think generally "fat shaming" is a silly thing to be bothered about : fat IS shameful. And unhealthy. Sorry, but it just is.

I only generally looked at this thread out of curiosity but i gotta ask. Are you saying that fat shaming is silly because there are more fat people? And if economics and commerce were the ones to create this system of fat people why not shame them then? Or i don't know, put effort towards fixing it instead of shaming the people susceptible to it? Eh maybe you are doing exactly that but i dunno it just doesn't seem right to me.
Fat shaming is a form of objectification. That's a negative action.
Tsp eating about human beings in this way, "I'd lay some pipe and bust a nut in her" is even more objectifying and dehumanizing.

Sad and pathetic. Fat can be changed. Not sure about the other.

You got that tots wrong. Here, i'll translate.

What he meant was.

My name is Mario and i don't think Selena Gomez is fat i like her so much i rushed home. Went into my basement and did some plumbing. While doing so i ate some pistachios. :D
 
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Yeah.

I'm saying that dismissing all comments about people's fat as being wrong, is itself wrong.

Because, too many people are fat. I agree, we should criticise industries, advertisers etc as well.

But, human potential is being held back by all this fat. In many ways.

And people are allowed to say so.

But I was careful to say that I didn't think the specific case in the opening post was the same as the usual cases...
 

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Yeah.

I'm saying that dismissing all comments about people's fat as being wrong, is itself wrong.

Because, too many people are fat. I agree, we should criticise industries, advertisers etc as well.

But, human potential is being held back by all this fat. In many ways.

And people are allowed to say so.

But I was careful to say that I didn't think the specific case in the opening post was the same as the usual cases...

Oh no i understood that you weren't talking about this specific case. I just don't see the helpfulness in shaming fat people. That to me is like beating a child for taking candy from a stranger you let in your house. Sure the kid should have known better (if in fact the parent told the child) but ya still have stranger danger sitting on the couch.
 

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idk, I think being morbidly obese is bad. I'm not going to shame someone over it. I honestly don't care. That's their issue not mine.


As someone that lives on the opposite side of coin. At 120lb. I feel that most people feel that its 100% acceptable to shame, point out, tease, or just make dumbass comments about my size/weight. However if I was to make any remarks that even hinted at them being overweight I'd be facing a shit ton of scorn. Women in general are the worst for this, in my own personal experience,from being constantly reminded how small/skinny/"short" (5'8 dafuq it shouldn't be short) on a daily basis, unprovoked I might add.

I don't really think people should really body shame anyone. I think overhauling the pricing system would be a better idea. Healthy foods being cheaper and unhealthy being more expensive. Junk food seen as a luxury, so that's why it should cost more compared to something like regular produce.

I also think the country should really target children through school. Encourage kids to be active. Give them FUN things to do. PE is great and all, but we need more of it, and more physical EDUCATION. Teach kids martial arts, weight training, proper eating habits. They spend like a shit ton of their lives in school.

Get rid of all these shitty foods the schools supply. Cookies, chocolate milk, hamburgers, pizza, french fries, potato chips, etc. Targeting the younger generation is much easier than the older(not saying to ignore the older, but more so focus on the children and probably parents.)

As you can see from negative reinforcement things like anorexia, bulimia, body dysmorphic disorder, over eating, bullying, and other crap start cropping up. Some if far worse than the actual problem itself.


:\ that's my stance on it. I think body shaming in general sucks. It goes many directions.I think nudging society as a whole to become more fit and or healthy for their own good might be a better solution. The other solution is stop giving a fuck about others so much and just do you.
 

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@ tempotalk
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Well. Maybe. I guess. But the stranger in your house is really just a metaphor you made up. Even though, I get it.

But in the real world, yes, we are beset by these strangers. Ubiquitous burger joints. Bars. Seductive advertising. Processed foods with way too much fat and sugar. Candy, potato chips, buttery popcorn. Sedentary lifestyles. Cars for everything- nobody walking.

Now. I'm just saying that ultimately, individuals need to see what's happening. And take some control, and responsibility.

There are good and bad ways to make that point. Information, support and cooperation are better than name-calling and shaming, I agree.

But if someone is fat, and you say so - albeit in an understanding way - you are NOT harming that person. Unless maybe they are one of the 2% of people where a hormone imbalance is involved. But for everyone else, you're actually helping them.

Fat is an issue of science, logic and reasoning.

Not social studies or politics.
 

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@ tempotalk
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Well. Maybe. I guess. But the stranger in your house is really just a metaphor you made up. Even though, I get it.

But in the real world, yes, we are beset by these strangers. Ubiquitous burger joints. Bars. Seductive advertising. Processed foods with way too much fat and sugar. Candy, potato chips, buttery popcorn. Sedentary lifestyles. Cars for everything- nobody walking.

Now. I'm just saying that ultimately, individuals need to see what's happening. And take some control, and responsibility.

There are good and bad ways to make that point. Information, support and cooperation are better than name-calling and shaming, I agree.

But if someone is fat, and you say so - albeit in an understanding way - you are NOT harming that person. Unless maybe they are one of the 2% of people where a hormone imbalance is involved. But for everyone else, you're actually helping them.

Fat is an issue of science, logic and reasoning.

Not social studies or politics.

I thinkz we haz a lot of agreement here. Just wondering, how do you know if you're calling that 2% fat though? People don't wear their health history on a badge. The only way you would find that out is if you were personal with them. Which we seem to be in agreement on as the best possible way to approach the issue.
 
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Just going to weigh in here quickly...:p

Obesity is indeed scientific, but it's also "social studies" or sociological, at least partly. In terms of poverty or low income families, we see a high level of obesity. It seems counterintuitive. Why aren't the people skinny when they can't afford food?

It's related to malnourishment. Not just the cost of healthy food, or knowing what it is, but the transportation and storage of food. Imagine taking the bus to get your groceries, with two or more kids, and carrying all your food. Limited storage for food when you get home. An apartment sized freezer.

The stomach also feels fuller with high carb and high fat. Protein is expensive. Forget about fresh fruits and vegetables.

I used to teach nutrition and community kitchens and do mass meals for moms in the inner city. It was tough. What they knew about food wouldn't fill a post-it. But we had to get a huge deep freezer for the kitchen for them to store their meals because they didn't have enough room at home to keep them.

I don't believe in making anyone feel bad about their bodies. No one knows their story. I have a friend who works out hard an hour a day, is extremely active and weighs 190 lbs. That woman is strong. Can flip tractor tires. Very curvy. No health issues at all. How should she live her life? live in a state of dieting? She's already very cautious about her intake. For some, she is unacceptable. I have other friends who would rather "die" than be that weight.
 

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You make fair points LaFemme, and a genuine thank you from me, for what you have tried to do in the real world.

I should have acknowledged that not everyone is in my gym-going, barbecue-and-salad-and-sushi middle class bubble. So I do apologise for my narrowness, even if it was merely implicit.

I think that general connection with poverty is relevant, BUT there are some less well-off people who are also able to be thin or average. It is not inevitable that anyone has to be overweight, or very overweight/obese. But I agree that information and education are key to this, as well as some of the constraints on people's ( everyone's ) lifestyles.
 
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Just going to weigh in here quickly...:p

Obesity is indeed scientific, but it's also "social studies" or sociological, at least partly. In terms of poverty or low income families, we see a high level of obesity. It seems counterintuitive. Why aren't the people skinny when they can't afford food?

It's related to malnourishment. Not just the cost of healthy food, or knowing what it is, but the transportation and storage of food. Imagine taking the bus to get your groceries, with two or more kids, and carrying all your food. Limited storage for food when you get home. An apartment sized freezer.

The stomach also feels fuller with high carb and high fat. Protein is expensive. Forget about fresh fruits and vegetables.

I used to teach nutrition and community kitchens and do mass meals for moms in the inner city. It was tough. What they knew about food wouldn't fill a post-it. But we had to get a huge deep freezer for the kitchen for them to store their meals because they didn't have enough room at home to keep them.

I don't believe in making anyone feel bad about their bodies. No one knows their story. I have a friend who works out hard an hour a day, is extremely active and weighs 190 lbs. That woman is strong. Can flip tractor tires. Very curvy. No health issues at all. How should she live her life? live in a state of dieting? She's already very cautious about her intake. For some, she is unacceptable. I have other friends who would rather "die" than be that weight.

that sounds sad. I don't like the fixation on weight... ie the number. It doesn't matter what the number is, what matters is how healthy you are and what you look like. :\ 190 could be small for her. I don't know anything about the woman. She could be 6'2 or something. She could be really filled out. Not fat but super curves. Big TnA and what not. I think too many women stress over their size/weight rather than actually worry about their own weight/size in comparison to their body. Like worrying that you aren't a size -1 when you are 5'8. You probably won't/shouldn't be one. If you are 4'10 that seems more reasonable.

Also on this note I really hate how sizes are now negatives. I didn't like size 0 in the first place but the sizes are ridiculous. The same goes for making what was a size 30 now a size 25 or w/e. Trying to make people feel/be smaller.

:( if only sexy women could just be sexy. No matter the size/weight they are. Whether or not they have big tits, big ass, small waist, cute face, sexy face, curvy , petite, etc.
 
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[QUOTE="Doranq, post: 5666667, :( if only sexy women could just be sexy. No matter the size/weight they are. Whether or not they have big tits, big ass, small waist, cute face, sexy face, curvy , petite, etc.[/QUOTE]

I would Tweek that to women can; and are sexxy, No matter the size / weight they are and I will agree with you :D
 

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that sounds sad. I don't like the fixation on weight... ie the number. It doesn't matter what the number is, what matters is how healthy you are and what you look like. :\ 190 could be small for her. I don't know anything about the woman. She could be 6'2 or something. She could be really filled out. Not fat but super curves. Big TnA and what not. I think too many women stress over their size/weight rather than actually worry about their own weight/size in comparison to their body. Like worrying that you aren't a size -1 when you are 5'8. You probably won't/shouldn't be one. If you are 4'10 that seems more reasonable.

Also on this note I really hate how sizes are now negatives. I didn't like size 0 in the first place but the sizes are ridiculous. The same goes for making what was a size 30 now a size 25 or w/e. Trying to make people feel/be smaller.

:( if only sexy women could just be sexy. No matter the size/weight they are. Whether or not they have big tits, big ass, small waist, cute face, sexy face, curvy , petite, etc.
Weight is the one thing I see that woman obsess about at the same level that I see men obsess about penis size here. It drives me bananas.

To a certain extent weight is something a person has control over, but not everyone is meant to be the ideal athletic looking type. I see women who are clearly meant to be the cuddly type, trying to diet down to bone, only to yo-yo up to a heavier weight. Constant battle. Up and down for years, each time gaining more and more until their health is seriously in jeopardy. And then they start looking at surgical options.

The obsession with weight is unhealthy. I try to promote making healthy choices 80% of the time. If you screw up 20% of the time, oh well. Learn about food. Cook at home. If you're eating at chain restaurants, check out the nutritional info before you go and pick out what you're going to eat before you go. If you really, really want something - eat it, but if you don't, don't. It's not like mcDonalds is going out of business tomorrow. Read food labels. Never drink your calories. Walk. It's not brain surgery. a person won't lose tons of weight this way, but it will be slow, steady and stay off.
 

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Those fat shaming Selena Gomez are just trolls.

Weight and health are not necessarily synonymous with one another. A person deemed to be "at could have a healthier heart than someone who is muscle bound and ingests a ton of fatty calories and has hypertension. A skinny person could be malnourished... It's more so about health, especially cardiovascular, than weight.
 

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this isnt as much fat shaming as it is people hating selena gomez for no reason. she is normal size no where near fat and if some one took the time out to call her fat when she looks great they are probably just jealous of her fame and success and wished that they had her life.
 

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Ok so regarding the original post ... she isn't fat at all ... but if she was ... who cares ... why do people think it's ok to say things like that to people, and why do we let them make us feel less than? I have so many amazing things going on in my life that I can't be bothered wasting my time talking about something so insignificant as other peoples weight.

Second, I saw somewhere in this post, another user wrote a comment about how its terrible that women are expected to look a certain way or they aren't considered perfect. And that the expectations of a women's "perfect" body, is completely ridiculous. But IMO, the expectations then men have are just as bad if not worse. We have to have great pecs ... wide, muscular shoulders ... slim waist ... jacked arms .. a six pack (at least) ... muscular legs ... a big cock .. we can't be too hairy (sometimes we can't have any hair ... sometimes a little is ok) etc. etc. ... The expectations for men are so specific, and so hard to obtain. Women just need to be skinny. And realistically, it's women that set such high expectations for themselves, men don't really care.