Why would anyone ever post something to the internet in pdf format? It's so freaking irritating. Just put it up in html. Every time you click on a link that takes you to a pdf file it has to load Adobe Acrobat first. There's no warning or anything, and then it takes sometimes literally upwards of 3-5 minutes to load the stupid program, during which time you can't do anything else. Why does it take so long to load this dumb text viewing program? It's not that advanced. I don't even own the full version. Why can I load Microsoft Word in 15 seconds and it takes 3 minutes to open Adobe Acrobat? Is it really necessary that it freezes up my web browser and most other applications I have open while it is loading? I hate this program.
I hate Adobe Acrobat
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I don't know why the heavy use of PDF files is common on the net.
My sister is an educator and she hates them with a passion too.
I am using the Firefox browser and have the PDF plugin which loads PDF files right in the browser in a new tab. Only takes a second or two with cable broadband. I don't even have Adobe at all. If I want to save it then Preview can open it later. Oh, I am using a Mac running OS-X, which is a Unix based OS. I don't know if that Firefox plugin is available for Windows. I didn't get along to well with Windows or IE anyway. I am Running nearly all freeware programs now. Only those that came with the machine plus Roxio's Toast are commercial. I love Unix.
My sister is an educator and she hates them with a passion too.
I am using the Firefox browser and have the PDF plugin which loads PDF files right in the browser in a new tab. Only takes a second or two with cable broadband. I don't even have Adobe at all. If I want to save it then Preview can open it later. Oh, I am using a Mac running OS-X, which is a Unix based OS. I don't know if that Firefox plugin is available for Windows. I didn't get along to well with Windows or IE anyway. I am Running nearly all freeware programs now. Only those that came with the machine plus Roxio's Toast are commercial. I love Unix.
B_Think_Kink
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I totally agree, I have a brand new computer, and it still takes 30 seconds or so to load the program... a friend of mines computer wont download the updates... it's a pile of shit program.
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I can answer the "why" question: For people working in technical fields -- including mathematics, but also architecture, engineering, physics, PDF ensures that the appearance of the document is unchanged from instance to instance. The PDF format is designed to give exactly the same visual results on all platforms, whereas HTML is designed to be flexible enough to allow browsers to adjust to the user's screen resolution, available fonts, stylesheet preferences, etc.
Preserving the exact visual results ensures, for example, that diagrams intended to be to scale are to scale, and that all the weird greek letters and twiddle symbols that mathematicians use don't get goobered up in an incompatible font. In my job, PDF is a lifesaver.
On the other hand, Adobe Acrobat is not. Adobe has bloated their PDF renderer with a lot of esoteric features that most users won't ever use. There are lighter-weight alternatives to Acrobat. I'm guessing you're a Windows user (because Mac OS has native PDF support that is a joy to use), and if so, you might find Foxit Reader to be preferable to Acrobat. Among other reasons, Foxit loads much faster than Acrobat, and this was one of your complaints. Foxit Reader is a free download; their companion program to create PDFs is not free, but is still cheaper than what Adobe charges for their program.
If you try it, let me know how it works for you.
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The idea of pdf is to protect the information from being altered.
It does that admirably, but I agree, it's generally a pain in the ass.
You should be able to tell though, as you mosue over a link, the URL will come up in the status bar in the bottom left of the screen, jsut look out for the .pdf at the end.
It does that admirably, but I agree, it's generally a pain in the ass.
You should be able to tell though, as you mosue over a link, the URL will come up in the status bar in the bottom left of the screen, jsut look out for the .pdf at the end.
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I also hate anything written in PDF format; it's annoying that some company has contrived to provide means for people to distribute text in such an inconvenient and possibly restricted form. I'd much prefer to be able to take full ownership of data when it is in my house and on my computer and do with it whatever I see fit without hindrance.
I use Foxit Reader rather than Acrobat to read Pain-in-the-ass Document Format files. It is free and has a smallish memory footprint and should load quickly. I suggest anyone who dislikes Acrobat try it.
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I use Foxit Reader rather than Acrobat to read Pain-in-the-ass Document Format files. It is free and has a smallish memory footprint and should load quickly. I suggest anyone who dislikes Acrobat try it.
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Don't blame Adobe for that. People shouldn't use PDF to distribute mere "text"; that's like using an armored-truck service to deliver a postcard.
On the other hand, I'd dread seeing how something like this would come out in the wrong browser if attempted in HTML. (And since it was something I had to submit for a grade, I sure wanted it to be right!)
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I agree with mindseye about formatting and symbology being so important in many technical presentations and papers that it can't be left up to html coding. Fonts, line breaks and proper symbol spacing all take a nose dive unless pdf format is used to bullet-proof the document.
One thing's for sure: Each new version of Acrobat seems like its getting slower and slower and slower to load......
One thing's for sure: Each new version of Acrobat seems like its getting slower and slower and slower to load......
Yeah I can see some of those advantages cited for pdf... I guess my main complaint is against Adobe Acrobat/Adobe Reader, so maybe I'll try Foxit.
Incidentally I'm running Windows but I use Firefox as a web browser most of the time.
Incidentally I'm running Windows but I use Firefox as a web browser most of the time.
That makes sense. I still don't understand all the text files posted on the internet in this format, though.
Really, though, I was just venting about having to wait on load times.
- dags,
More often than not, with almost almost all software, every new version becomes more and more code. Some may have noticed when downloading a newer version of whatever, the file size just keeps getting bigger with every revision.
I agree some software is just ridiculous, either it takes forever to load (even on a fast PC), or it is so chock full of features that are so complicated to learn that it just becomes a hog. Not fun to use. I like software that is practical. Microsoft Windows keeps getting bigger and more memory hogging, basically it just keeps getting prettier and of course now they have all the built in spy-ware and firewall. Vista especially has all these annoying pop ups for everything, when you install new third party software. I suppose a large portion of end users need to be spoon fed everything so they've brought it down to a level where its just a royal pain for people who are tech-savvy.
I understand both sides though. I think there must exist some freeware pdf program that serves basic needs of users for displaying, editing and such thats probably faster.
I agree some software is just ridiculous, either it takes forever to load (even on a fast PC), or it is so chock full of features that are so complicated to learn that it just becomes a hog. Not fun to use. I like software that is practical. Microsoft Windows keeps getting bigger and more memory hogging, basically it just keeps getting prettier and of course now they have all the built in spy-ware and firewall. Vista especially has all these annoying pop ups for everything, when you install new third party software. I suppose a large portion of end users need to be spoon fed everything so they've brought it down to a level where its just a royal pain for people who are tech-savvy.
I understand both sides though. I think there must exist some freeware pdf program that serves basic needs of users for displaying, editing and such thats probably faster.
- dags,
Released in April 2001, Acrobat 5.0 became a star.
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Adobe expanded on earlier themes: For instance, PDF annotation was married to the Web, so that collaborators can mark up files from within a browser. Electronic forms can be published online and data filled in. Interoperability with the corporate standard Microsoft Office was extended: Users can instantly create PDFs from Word, Excel, or PowerPoint; and they can quickly extract text from a PDF file for reuse in Word or other applications. Yet at the same time, Adobe has beefed up security controls if the document author wishes to prevent the repurposing of content.
Acrobat continued to offer inducements to the graphic arts community. Version 4 had allowed graphic artists to export images in formats suitable for Illustrator and Photoshop and to apply graphics options such as compression and resolution on the fly. Added to version 5 were transparency effects and color-management features consistent with what's available in other Adobe applications. The extended font format OpenType is also supported.
Perhaps the feature that most propelled Acrobat forward was its support of XML (eXtensible Markup Language) and the subset XMP (eXtensible Metadata Platform). XML classifies content by the information it contains and the use of that information as defined by its author. In the case of Acrobat and other Adobe products, the syntax used to define information is XMP. Content defined with XML tags can be used on flexible databaselike applications, making it suitable for e-commerce on the Web, for instance. By supporting XML, PDF becomes a medium for financial transactions, not just for static images. PDF provides the form's appearance while XML/XMP supplies the data. Other Adobe applications followed Acrobat's lead in supporting XML: Illustrator 10.0 in the fall of 2001 and InDesign 2.0 in early 2002. XML and XMP will soon be implemented across Adobe's entire product line.
Acrobat continued to offer inducements to the graphic arts community. Version 4 had allowed graphic artists to export images in formats suitable for Illustrator and Photoshop and to apply graphics options such as compression and resolution on the fly. Added to version 5 were transparency effects and color-management features consistent with what's available in other Adobe applications. The extended font format OpenType is also supported.
Perhaps the feature that most propelled Acrobat forward was its support of XML (eXtensible Markup Language) and the subset XMP (eXtensible Metadata Platform). XML classifies content by the information it contains and the use of that information as defined by its author. In the case of Acrobat and other Adobe products, the syntax used to define information is XMP. Content defined with XML tags can be used on flexible databaselike applications, making it suitable for e-commerce on the Web, for instance. By supporting XML, PDF becomes a medium for financial transactions, not just for static images. PDF provides the form's appearance while XML/XMP supplies the data. Other Adobe applications followed Acrobat's lead in supporting XML: Illustrator 10.0 in the fall of 2001 and InDesign 2.0 in early 2002. XML and XMP will soon be implemented across Adobe's entire product line.
I never have a problem with Acrobat Reader. I have a 1536 Kbps down/1024 Kbps up connection, fast but not the fastest. I have an 2.2 Ghz Athlon 64 chip overclocked to 2.6 Ghz. I can always view the first pages of a .pdf while the rest is downloading. Maybe you need to update/upgrade?
I really really hate this about new software as well. Every time Word automatically "corrects" something I don't want it to because it assumes I'm too much of an idiot to do it myself I feel like punching my monitor. I hate the invasiveness of it all, the bundled software, the cookies and special toolbars and all that crap. I'm not as computer saavy as I once was. Sadly I had a much better idea of what I was doing when I was 12 and running DOS. I miss how extremely fast and streamlined my old Pentium 450 was running Windows 95 I think with all the options turned off. Never hooked it up to the internet and only ran older software on it... so no viruses, no annoying pop ups telling me to register this or that or download new updates so the companies I buy software from can load all their new spyware on my PC, no slow down, never ever crashed not once. Eventually the hard drive stopped spinning and that was the death of that PC... and I can't really imagine using a computer anymore without internet access... but it was good while it lasted. They come out with faster and faster and faster PCs every year... but they all still run slow with all this dumb software bogging them down.
Maybe foreskin restoration is the answer. I'll try it and see if it makes my computer run faster.
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Fuckin' Brilliant!:biggrin1: :biggrin1: :biggrin1: :biggrin1: :biggrin1: :biggrin1:
