I remember when...

[Silbot.]

There is a difference between how safe you feel and how safe you are.

Perception is reality. Feel unsafe? Can I interest you in an AR-15?

The rate of violent crimes against children has fallen with the overall decline in violent crime. Bullying is most definitely not new and some recent studies, though limited in scope, are showing positive impacts from anti-bullying programs.

Yes, it seems suicide rates are up and for reasons including exposure to violence (I guess it's just misperception) and cyberbullying -- a type of bullying that did not exist even 25 years ago, which makes bullying now worse than bullying then because there is more of it and it is inescapable. The programs you mention are good, however, unless parents parent they wont change anything.
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/suicides-teen-girls-hit-40-year-high-n789351

Suicide rates are up some for a number of reasons (though still significantly lower than suicide rates of adults).

Trivializing suicide among the young by comparing it to rates among adults? --The fuck?! Ever known someone who lost a child this way???

And wtf are you complaining about LGBT support groups as a bad thing? We had one at our school and, like many others, it was student formed and led. Somehow to you that's one step removed from pedophilia?

I distinctly recall parents playing block-and-tackle when it came to all things sexual when dealing with kids prior to high school. Some subjects are best understood when you are older. If you're in middle school or younger, you're too young to make a career move like proclaiming your sexuality to the world because you haven't got one yet.

Sod off.

You're still not British.

 

[TexanStar]

Perception is reality.

You can probably just stop there.

 

[185248]

There is a difference between how safe you feel and how safe you are.

The rate of violent crimes against children has fallen with the overall decline in violent crime. Suicide rates are up some for a number of reasons (though still significantly lower than suicide rates of adults). Bullying is most definitely not new and some recent studies, though limited in scope, are showing positive impacts from anti-bullying programs.

And wtf are you complaining about LGBT support groups as a bad thing? We had one at our school and, like many others, it was student formed and led. Somehow to you that's one step removed from pedophilia? Sod off.

That post alone shows just out of touch you are with modern society, children, teenagers and young adults. Do you base all your opinions on studies? Not some sort of personal experience?

And why are you twisting his words with regards to LGBT? It's a wonder you did not abuse him on a personal level...before you told him to "sod off"

Never heard of any groups with regard to sexuality when I was attending school. We all knocked about together, no need to separate ourselves into one group or another.

Why worry about suicide rates in the US when your classmates can blow you away anyway...hey Tex?

 

[185248]

You can probably just stop there.

Perhaps you may think of doing the same.

 

[TexanStar]

That post alone shows just out of touch you are with modern society, children, teenagers and young adults.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=are+children+safer+now

And why are you twisting his words with regards to LGBT?

Because his words are complete fiction. Or do you think every US elementary school has an LGBT support group?

Why worry about suicide rates in the US when your classmates can blow you away anyway...hey Tex?

It's a subset of violent deaths. Suicide rates are up, but overall your kids have much lower odds of a violent death now then they did when we were kids.

 

[185248]

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=are+children+safer+now



Because his words are complete fiction. Or do you think every US elementary school has an LGBT support group?



It's a subset of violent deaths. Suicide rates are up, but overall your kids have much lower odds of a violent death now then they did when we were kids.

What is a violent death?

Sorry. But I see more kids dying in the world now than when I was growing up from violent deaths. Or are you just counting your own little world in the US as your source of information?

His world (silbot) is not complete fiction. Yours is. Cyberbullying is a problem.

When I was going to school I knew the kids from the day I started to the day I left.

During my youngest daughters attendance at school. She lost 4 of her friends to suicide in the years. It devastated her when one was her best mate.....the effect was multiplied through her friends and families, worried and concerned their children or other friends might do the same.

One suicide of a kid can affect hundreds in a school environment. I spent many a night talking to my daughter till she was able to fall asleep.

Shove your studies and statistics.

And...is there something wrong with people these days when they cannot quote a whole post, but have the dire need to multiquote for some reason?

 

[TexanStar]

What is a violent death?

Sorry. But I see more kids dying in the world now than when I was growing up from violent deaths. Or are you just counting your own little world in the US as your source of information?

Yes, as we are both living in America and the thread is about contrasting how our childhood was different to today, I am talking about America.

If you want to talk about the victims of war torn Syria or something, you are welcome to go as off topic as you always do.

His world is not complete fiction. Cyberbullying is a problem.

Yes, it is. And?

Shove your studies and statistics.

 

[950483]

Yes, as we are both living in America and the thread is about contrasting how our childhood was different to today, I am talking about America.

If you want to talk about the victims of war torn Syria or something, you are welcome to go as off topic as you always do.



Yes, it is. And?

Here's a fact: For those personally affected by child suicide involving cyberbullying you're coming across as a bit of a cunt.

 

[Penis Aficionado]

Even within America this discussion comes down to who you are and where you're from.

It's true that as a national average, violent crime rates have dropped dramatically since around 1995, and we're now living in a country about as peceful as it was in the mid-60s, when Andy Griffith and Don Knotts patrolled Mayberry on TV.

But even at the height of the '80s crack epidemic, violent crime was mostly a problem in the cities. If you grew up middle-class in the suburbs you didn't fear random violence in the '70s and '80s.

So I can understand, especially if you're a parent who grew up that way and are now raising a kid in a middle-class suburb, why it seems like a more dangerous place today.

 

[TexanStar]

Here's a fact: For those personally affected by child suicide involving cyberbullying you're coming across as a bit of a cunt.

The topic was whether or not children are safer now than they were when we are kids. In the USA, despite some increase in suicide, they are safer.

That doesn't mean that bullying isn't a serious issue, that it should be taken lightly, that social media can't have an influence on it, that there shouldn't be continuing efforts to curb it, or that I don't empathize with victims of it.

That doesn't mean that suicide isn't a serious issue, that it should be taken lightly, that social media can't have an influence on it, that there shouldn't be continuing efforts to curb it, or that I don't empathize with those affected by it.

It doesn't mean any of those things, nor am I saying any of those things. It only means that as a whole, in the USA, you are less likely to lose your child to some form of violence now compared to 30 years ago.

Also, when we talk about the increase in the rate of teen suicide, that's really in comparison to what it was 10 years ago, not what it was 30-40 years ago (when most of us were kids). https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/66/wr/mm6630a6.htm In the context of this discussion, teens are at generally at same or less risk of committing suicide today than when we were kids.

I am sorry if the way I am phrasing things is distressing.. I try to be concise when debating and that can be mistaken for a lack of empathy about the topic. I am just trying to be clear in the expression of my opinion.

 

[TexanStar]

So I can understand, especially if you're a parent who grew up that way and are now raising a kid in a middle-class suburb, why it seems like a more dangerous place today.

It can feel like a more dangerous place today because media coverage of violent crime is up massively. Even when violent crime was on a steep and clear downward trend, media coverage increased. Even at those times when white collar crime was increasing, media coverage has instead increased their focus on violent crime,

People see and hear about a lot more cases of violent crime than they ever did before, even though the rate of such crime has dropped sharply. This is true in the suburbs and inner cities alike.

 

[Penis Aficionado]

This chart is referring only to suicide?

 

[TexanStar]

This chart is referring only to suicide?

It's from the CDC page I linked: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/66/wr/mm6630a6.htm

It's teen suicide rates in the US broken out by gender.

Cyberbullying can have a negative impact, but there's other recent factors around the recent increases as well (in particular, antidepressant prescriptions to those under age 18 have declined after it was found that they can sometimes produce suicidal thoughts/behavior, but that's being reconsidered because there's now possibility that they're being underdescribed and that more are committing suicide because they're unmedicated when they need medication -vs- committing suicide because they had an adverse reaction to the medication.

There's some differences in gender as well. The rate for girls is currently a bit higher than it was during the last 40 years, but about 75% of teen suicides are boys so that really shapes the overall trend if talking about teen suicide as a whole.

 

[Penis Aficionado]

What does your research tell you about the sudden suicide spike among boys in 1976-77?

An obvious explanation leapt into my mind. Have to admit it made me smile when I thought of it. Yes, I feel a little bad about that.

It's from the CDC page I linked: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/66/wr/mm6630a6.htm

It's teen suicide rates in the US broken out by gender.

Cyberbullying can have a negative impact, but there's other recent factors around the recent increases as well (in particular, antidepressant prescriptions to those under age 18 have declined after it was found that they can sometimes produce suicidal thoughts/behavior, but that's being reconsidered because there's now possibility that they're being underdescribed and that more are committing suicide because they're unmedicated when they need medication -vs- committing suicide because they had an adverse reaction to the medication.

There's some differences in gender as well. The rate for girls is currently a bit higher than it was during the last 40 years, but about 75% of teen suicides are boys so that really shapes the overall trend if talking about teen suicide as a whole.

 

[TexanStar]

What does your research tell you about the sudden suicide spike among boys in 1976-77?

An obvious explanation leapt into my mind. Have to admit it made me smile when I thought of it. Yes, I feel a little bad about that.

I don't really know. I think if data were available it would look like a more gradual increase over time with the decrease in the 2000's being impacted by anti-depressant prescriptions, but I don't think there's much data available about suicide for teens specifically available before the 1970's.

 

[chicagosam]

I remember being “free range” before it was “free range”. It was being a kid, but it also was a safer world for kids to be “free range.”

I remember when I posted a benign response to MickeyLee.

 

[Penis Aficionado]

I remember when ... my grade school friend played me a song from a new record he'd bought. He said it was about suicide, and how people do it all the time. He said probably one day we would go to school and find out that one of our classmates had done it. I heard the words: "The candles blew then disappeared / The curtains flew then he appeared, saying don't be afraid /
Come on baby, and she had no fear" and my little mind contemplated the briefness of life and whether it was all really worth it.

It was the summer of 1977!

 

[TexanStar]

I remember when ... my grade school friend played me a song from a new record he'd bought. He said it was about suicide, and how people do it all the time. He said probably one day we would go to school and find out that one of our classmates had done it. I heard the words: "The candles blew then disappeared / The curtains flew then he appeared, saying don't be afraid /
Come on baby, and she had no fear" and my little mind contemplated the briefness of life and whether it was all really worth it.

It was the summer of 1977!

This one?

 

[Penis Aficionado]

That's one version of it!

 

[thisguy805]

I remember when Disneyland tickets were $31