I think progressives don't really have a choice but to support democrats. It may not align perfectly with their values but it's certainly closer than Trump/conservatives
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Any examples of these common-sense positions? I hear this all the time and don't understand what it's supposed to mean.
This is a debated, but from what I've observed from local & international politics:
Progressives will generally call for higher taxes, especially on the wealthy. Stronger emphasis on social safety nets/healthcare etc.
They're also more critical of capitalism in general - liberals seem more willing to work with the market.
Stronger emphasis on social justice, economic redistribution, climate change (lots of overlap there though obviously).
And I guess definitionally, progressives want to move faster - they want more radical changes, revolutionary vs working with the system.
Honestly there is a decent overlap between the two and I had to check GPT to refine my answer. The constant focus on the more extreme left vs right divide makes it hard to distinguish these smaller differences.
As @technoman points out, it's more a question of center-left vs. far-left. Incrementalism vs. revolution.
I'm not a revolutionist, Luke doesn't strike me as a revolutionist either, at least from what is presented on the show. As a practical example, a progressive might say the answer to runaway capitalism is to break up large corporations, whereas a center-left approach would be less about defining how big is too big and more about creating regulations to limit the influence of corporations and increase the percentage of gross income paid to employees, etc.
Though there is overlap in everything. David Pakman defines himself as progressive, but then also leans towards incrementalism.
Thank you!
If I were to define myself I'd be both because I agree that no way a few people should be hounding man made resources like money but also know it's a delicate balance else we should agree to barter for eternity.
Appreciate this but it doesn't sound like common sense because it's really hard to define what that looks like.
With Luke it's hard to know what he stands for on issues because he covers Trump and democracy but I have feeling he'd fit under the liberal umbrella based on these nuances.
As long as he's not a Trumptard...
It's all just labels at the end of the day. I think Luke (and Pakman and many others) hits the right tone, where he is not a corporatist slave to the status quo, but also not trying to re-imagine America in a socialist form. Some socialist policies just make sense, while more moderate/traditional positions are more practical in others.
Was that from the live today? I must have looked away for a second.
The shirt looks good on him.
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To explain, first off, we must separate classical liberals from social liberals, as there is a major difference:
- Progressives:
- Core Idea: Advocate for structural reforms to address systemic inequalities.
- Policy Focus: Wealth redistribution, strong labor protections, expansive welfare, climate action.
- Economics: Favor higher taxation on the wealthy, robust regulation of corporations.
- Social Policy: Actively anti-discrimination, pro-affirmative action, pro-universal healthcare.
- Liberals (Classical/General):
- Core Idea: Emphasize individual rights, free markets, and limited government.
- Policy Focus: Civil liberties, free enterprise, moderate regulation.
- Economics: Market-oriented, favor lower taxes and minimal state intervention.
- Social Policy: Support social freedoms, but less focused on redistribution.
- Social Liberals (what the US incorrectly—irresponsibly—dubs "liberals"):
- Core Idea: Blend individual liberties with social justice via state intervention.
- Policy Focus: Civil rights + moderate welfare state + public services (healthcare, education).
- Economics: Support regulated capitalism with safety nets.
- Social Policy: Pro-LGBTQ+, pro-choice, support moderate affirmative measures.
In Practice: U.S. vs. Other Countries:
- United States:
- Progressives: Represented by figures like Bernie Sanders; ideas often remain marginal due to a two-party system and a stronger capitalist consensus.
- Liberals: Dominant within mainstream Democratic and some Republican circles (e.g., Clinton-era policies).
- Social Liberals: Often the ideological base of centrist Democrats (e.g., Obama), though implementation is weaker due to institutional gridlock and corporate lobbying.
- Germany:
- Progressives: Represented by Die Linke and parts of the SPD/Greens.
- Liberals: FDP champions classical liberalism.
- Social Liberals: SPD and Greens blend social liberal values with environmental and welfare concerns. Stronger welfare state than the U.S.
- United Kingdom:
- Progressives: Labour’s left wing under Corbyn; met with institutional resistance.
- Liberals: Historically the Liberal Democrats (now marginal).
- Social Liberals: Centrist Labour and parts of the Lib Dems. NHS exemplifies robust social liberal policy absent in the U.S.
- Sweden:
- Progressives: Historically dominant via the Social Democrats; welfare policies deeply institutionalized.
- Liberals: Moderate Party and others promote market liberalism.
- Social Liberals: Centrists uphold liberal democracy with strong public services, showing successful integration of liberty + welfare.
- Japan:
- Progressives: Marginalized; parties like the Japanese Communist Party and Reiwa Shinsengumi promote redistribution, pacifism, and anti-nuclear policy, but hold limited power.
- Liberals: The ruling Liberal Democratic Party (LDP) supports free-market economics, deregulation, and privatization, while maintaining social conservatism.
- Social Liberals: The Constitutional Democratic Party promotes civil rights and moderate welfare, but operates under the dominance of the LDP and cultural conservatism.
- South Korea:
- Progressives: Justice Party and civic groups advocate for labor rights, feminism, and corporate reform, but struggle with limited electoral traction.
- Liberals: The People Power Party champions deregulation, privatization, and economic liberalization.
- Social Liberals: The Democratic Party supports expanded public services and civil liberties, but social liberalism is tempered by Confucian traditions and security concerns.
- India:
- Progressives: Represented in the Communist parties (e.g., CPI-M) and grassroots movements focused on land reform, labor rights, and inequality reduction.
- Liberals: Economic liberalism accelerated post-1991; BJP’s economic wing and business elites back deregulation and globalization.
- Social Liberals: Congress and some regional parties (e.g., TMC) endorse pluralism, affirmative action, and welfare (e.g., rural employment schemes), but delivery is inconsistent.
- Singapore:
- Progressives: Nearly nonexistent due to restrictions on political dissent and civil society.
- Liberals: The PAP combines economic liberalism—low taxes, open markets—with authoritarian governance and strict social control.
- Social Liberals: Minor opposition groups like the Workers' Party advocate limited welfare and political reform, but are politically constrained.
- Indonesia:
- Progressives: Found in NGOs and activist networks promoting labor rights, environmental justice, and indigenous issues; often marginalized by elite interests.
- Liberals: National governments embrace deregulation, foreign investment, and privatization.
- Social Liberals: Elements exist within moderate Islamic parties and technocratic coalitions promoting inclusive education and modest welfare expansion.
So in Summary: Progressives push for deep systemic change; liberals prioritize individual freedom and markets; social liberals balance both. In the U.S., progressivism is typically curtailed; liberalism dominates, while social liberalism is inconsistently implemented. Europe integrates social liberalism more effectively, with stronger social safety nets and public services. In Asia, economic liberalism prevails, progressives are marginalized, and social liberalism is constrained by centralized power, traditional norms, or weak civil institutions. I hope this helps.
Looking like quite the catch at his brother's wedding. He posted some clips on his channel from it, a nice treat for those smitten by him. His personality shines even more than I was expecting, a remarkable combination of values, wit, and charm. And plenty of cowboy hats to go around.
He sang a song and played the piano as well. He's a multi-talented threat. They say learning to play instruments improves the brain; not learning any must be where I went wrong.
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