Measured porn stars??

Man you better quit going by numbers and get out in the real world lol
Okay, let's bring numbers to the real world you talk about. Let's assume 7 is average and 7,5 is where big starts, if I am understanding this right this would imply something like.
6-7 average
7,5-8 above average
8,1-9 big
9+ abnormally big
5,5-5,9 small
4,9 or less, micropenis.
Now, what do scientists gain by lying, telling us that the real average is smaller than what it actually is, that 5 is normal and penis enlargement may permanently harm your organ? Think about it, if 90 percent of men were between 6-7 and guys who are below 4,9 (micropenises) represent only 0,5 percentage of population, why would they want to higher the self esteem of such a small percentage of people? If your numbers were right and scientists are lying to us like you imply, the rates of men depressed and suffering from SPD would be even higher than what it is now, the amount of suicides... Ooof, I don't even wanna imagine.
But anyways, I don't have any proof to say that the girl you slept with was bluffing, maybe she is right or maybe she thinks she's right, there are so many factors that affect our perspective and let's face it, humans suck at estimating. Let me tell you a funny story, my cousin who is really close to me, he confessed he constantly lies about his size and hear this: He says he's 8 inches and his real size is 5,75.... Like wow... What the actual fuck!? Who would believe that shit after they sleep with him? But, he's only 5'5, weighs 97 pounds, a very small guy, with 0 fat on his body and skinny as heck, a 5,75 incher dick on him will look huge while on me (5'11 and 180 pounds) a 6 inch dick looks pretty small.
 
I was sorta shocked to see how few were actually 7nbp.

I tempted to add a pic of me measured at a bad erection level showing 7.25 to 7.5 NBP BUT Im still doing PE (vacuum hanging) so I wanna wait longer and see if I make gains.
Yeah, it's hard to really claim a specific number especially if we go by our average erections. While I can still get hard and rigid the muscles, ligaments, and tissues won't relax as much if my health is subpar. So I just add "+" now.
 
Most of the people here still want to believe that 7" is as rare as 1 in 100, because it let's them feel big. The studies that showed this were usually based on Asian men or men with erectile dysfunction, so they don't count.

Studies done on healthy western men showed averages ranging from 6.0-6.6", so it's understandable that women would encounter several legit 7 inchers, especially considering that those men would be more likely to engage in casual sex due to having more confidence.
What would you estimate is the average girth for non-Asian western men?
 
The Johnny Sins dildo is only 6 5/8th insertable. This really shows how much super low body fat can affect length visually (and basically insertable NBP length). He has definitely been around 7.0 insertable at his biggest but you can see now he is now a normal lean guy but not super ripped.

This was the promo pic for the dildos actually.
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You can see his body fat is like 12-13 percent but not like 8 percent ish the way he was in his prime. That can make a big difference that most people don't realize, it can be 0.25-0.5 an inch of difference.

A similar dynamic has been seen with Nacho Vidal imo who has also been seen between 6.5 and 7 inches long. (I'm not talking about his actual lost length at the end of his career which seems to be due to peyronies.) Nacho was the full 7 and looked as big as Rocco in length in some vids when he was totally ripped but other times mid career he was more normal lean and looked 6.5-6.75.

I think Johnny Sins like Nacho is around 7.25 BPEL and varies between totally ripped and just normal lean.

One thing Johnny has is in particular is a very straight dick and low girth with a not so big penis head (compare him in these dimensions to Nacho for example) and these factors also add to the perception of length imo.

The 6 inch girth is obviously BS, he is clearly around 5-5.25 in girth. Many of fleshjack's listed girth are BS but the insertable lengths all look accurate thus far.

The dildo thing has confused me for a long time there is so much contradiction about it. Obviously ruler or trape measurements are the best evidence and we all know Johnny Sins is 7 inches from that but I would like to discuss these dildo measurements because I have changed my view on it.

I recently measured the underneath of my dick for the first time (call this the insertable length on a dildo) which I have highlighted in green below and just like all dildos it is shorter than my total length.

This might be hard to explain so I will use the image of the johnny sins dildo

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For argument's sake let's just say the total length of the dildo above is 8 inches and the insertable length is 6 inches.

The insertable length (underneath of the dick) is 6 inches here. Now I am close to 7NBP right now (I used to be bigger), but let's just say I am bang on 7" to keep things easy but the underneath of my dick is around 6.5 depending on the measurement. So I have 0.5 inches of cock left in the red area. My dick is not 6.5 it is 7. If I had a dildo made my insertable length would be 6.5 but I am longer than this in real life. We are forgetting the 0.5. The same thing is happening to Johnny Sins.

What I am trying to get at here is the area in red where the arrow is. In real life this will add a bit of length so you will have this area + the insertable length (underneath of the dick) added to get the total length.

I believe it is a mistake to equate a man's insertable dildo length to his total length it does not work for all pornstars. Johnny Sins is not 6.5. I believe this explains many of the dildo anomalies and why Manuel Ferrara has a 6 inch insertable. Manuel's real size is 6.5 NBP not 6. Mick Blue has a 6.5 inch dildo but he's a bit longer than that in real life.

Now in the Johnny Sins dildo where I have drawn the red line there is an area 0 - 2 inches which is not insertable on a dildo. This area obviously exists on all dicks but it is never 2" long. Impossible for it to be 2" but not impossible for it to be 0.2, 0.5 or so. I am not trying to boost anyone up here just measure the underneath of your own cock and see what I am saying. It's hard to explain but hopefully you can demonstrate it for yourself.

If anyone is utterly confused to what I am saying here. Go and get a ruler and put it underneath your dick, it will measure less than the total length on top measurement (blue line). I am not sure why users have not pointed this out before.

Because Johnny Sins dildo is 6.5 inches insertable this does not mean his dick is 6.5 inches full stop. You can see from his own dildo measurement that is not the case, you need to add on 0.5 or so but definitely not 1 or 2 inches. It seems what they do on these dildos is that they have the insertable length accurate but the other part (where the red arrow is) they add major inches to. This is easily done.

In a nutshell in most cases a pornstars insertable length on a dildo is never going to be his real size and if you don't believe me just get out a ruler and measure the underneath of your dick it is always going to be slightly less than its total size. I don't think this changes anything because yes many dildos are not reliable like the Xander Corvus dildo being over 7 insertable but for me I do not believe the dildo argument is reliable for a guys size because on the more realistic dildos the insertable length is a bit smaller than the real length. Only a ruler or honest tape measure will tell us the truth.
 
Because Johnny Sins dildo is 6.5 inches insertable this does not mean his dick is 6.5 inches full stop
Yes he likely does have 0.5 inch of groin above the insertable length. But why are you saying it’s not a nbp 6.5? It looks 6 insertable and then add 0.5 on top. That pic you posted is cut off but in the other picture, it is 6.0 insertable.
 
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If this image is correct, he’s not 6 5/8 insertable, but exactly 6.0.

Also, the image we go by of Sins being measured isn’t exactly precise. If I recall it’s at an angle and her fingers obscure where the tape starts a bit.
 
Sorry it was too late to edit my post again. I’ll correct myself and say from my image he’s roughly 6.125 insertable. The head barely goes past the “8”.

I think he’s roughly 6.5 now and probably 6.75 max when he was super lean.
 
The dildo thing has confused me for a long time there is so much contradiction about it. Obviously ruler or trape measurements are the best evidence and we all know Johnny Sins is 7 inches from that but I would like to discuss these dildo measurements because I have changed my view on it.

I recently measured the underneath of my dick for the first time (call this the insertable length on a dildo) which I have highlighted in green below and just like all dildos it is shorter than my total length.

This might be hard to explain so I will use the image of the johnny sins dildo

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For argument's sake let's just say the total length of the dildo above is 8 inches and the insertable length is 6 inches.

The insertable length (underneath of the dick) is 6 inches here. Now I am close to 7NBP right now (I used to be bigger), but let's just say I am bang on 7" to keep things easy but the underneath of my dick is around 6.5 depending on the measurement. So I have 0.5 inches of cock left in the red area. My dick is not 6.5 it is 7. If I had a dildo made my insertable length would be 6.5 but I am longer than this in real life. We are forgetting the 0.5. The same thing is happening to Johnny Sins.

What I am trying to get at here is the area in red where the arrow is. In real life this will add a bit of length so you will have this area + the insertable length (underneath of the dick) added to get the total length.

I believe it is a mistake to equate a man's insertable dildo length to his total length it does not work for all pornstars. Johnny Sins is not 6.5. I believe this explains many of the dildo anomalies and why Manuel Ferrara has a 6 inch insertable. Manuel's real size is 6.5 NBP not 6. Mick Blue has a 6.5 inch dildo but he's a bit longer than that in real life.

Now in the Johnny Sins dildo where I have drawn the red line there is an area 0 - 2 inches which is not insertable on a dildo. This area obviously exists on all dicks but it is never 2" long. Impossible for it to be 2" but not impossible for it to be 0.2, 0.5 or so. I am not trying to boost anyone up here just measure the underneath of your own cock and see what I am saying. It's hard to explain but hopefully you can demonstrate it for yourself.

If anyone is utterly confused to what I am saying here. Go and get a ruler and put it underneath your dick, it will measure less than the total length on top measurement (blue line). I am not sure why users have not pointed this out before.

Because Johnny Sins dildo is 6.5 inches insertable this does not mean his dick is 6.5 inches full stop. You can see from his own dildo measurement that is not the case, you need to add on 0.5 or so but definitely not 1 or 2 inches. It seems what they do on these dildos is that they have the insertable length accurate but the other part (where the red arrow is) they add major inches to. This is easily done.

In a nutshell in most cases a pornstars insertable length on a dildo is never going to be his real size and if you don't believe me just get out a ruler and measure the underneath of your dick it is always going to be slightly less than its total size. I don't think this changes anything because yes many dildos are not reliable like the Xander Corvus dildo being over 7 insertable but for me I do not believe the dildo argument is reliable for a guys size because on the more realistic dildos the insertable length is a bit smaller than the real length. Only a ruler or honest tape measure will tell us the truth.
You might be right. That being said, Sins is NOT 7 anymore. He was 7 in his prime & more like 6.75 now. As @strivingforperfection said, he’s probably 7.25 BP.
 
Yup, spot-on with his size. He’s got far more an ABC…or perhaps even a SBC with that girth…than a BBC lmao
Haha, yep. It’s funny too, cause it looks very small to me, Bit that is probably even a bit bigger length than the average guy on the street is packing.
 
Same, tho I only know 6 pornstars by names and those are the ones I constantly search for, gotta admit just discovered the bald Brazzers guy's name was Johnny Sins, lol, fucking awesome name
He’s a legend on basically any site with a large gathering of men, even outside of porn LOL
 
@Lance Bass

You mentioned a few pages before that you got from a woman you slept with the info that 7 is average and big starts at 7.5.

First of all, I have never heard a woman knowing so specifically down to half an inch where the realm of big penises start. Secondly, I don't know how you got into this convo with a hookup and I don't judge you at all. But I can tell you that women completely disdain men with low confidence. It's almost as if they feel offended to be bothered with men like that. And if a woman's date asks her questions like 'what do you consider a small/average penis and where does big start?', she will most likely take the opportunity and put that man down even further.

Are you aware that most of those 7 inchers women run into are 6 or smaller who claim to be bigger just to impress them? I have never brought a ruler to my sexual encounters nor they have, I could lie about my size and they couldn't know, in fact I was told once "There's no way you're only 6 inches, you look bigger than my ex and he said he was 7" so...... Yeah.....

How do really know that! And know that there estimates are accurate.
Already covered by other posts just posted.

Oh man, the delusions...

Okay, let's bring numbers to the real world you talk about. Let's assume 7 is average and 7,5 is where big starts, if I am understanding this right this would imply something like.
6-7 average
7,5-8 above average
8,1-9 big
9+ abnormally big
5,5-5,9 small
4,9 or less, micropenis.
Now, what do scientists gain by lying, telling us that the real average is smaller than what it actually is, that 5 is normal and penis enlargement may permanently harm your organ? Think about it, if 90 percent of men were between 6-7 and guys who are below 4,9 (micropenises) represent only 0,5 percentage of population, why would they want to higher the self esteem of such a small percentage of people? If your numbers were right and scientists are lying to us like you imply, the rates of men depressed and suffering from SPD would be even higher than what it is now, the amount of suicides... Ooof, I don't even wanna imagine.
But anyways, I don't have any proof to say that the girl you slept with was bluffing, maybe she is right or maybe she thinks she's right, there are so many factors that affect our perspective and let's face it, humans suck at estimating. Let me tell you a funny story, my cousin who is really close to me, he confessed he constantly lies about his size and hear this: He says he's 8 inches and his real size is 5,75.... Like wow... What the actual fuck!? Who would believe that shit after they sleep with him? But, he's only 5'5, weighs 97 pounds, a very small guy, with 0 fat on his body and skinny as heck, a 5,75 incher dick on him will look huge while on me (5'11 and 180 pounds) a 6 inch dick looks pretty small.

Y’all better get in the real world lol but like I said keep believing and thinking what y’all choose man,whatever helps y’all sleep at night
 
He’s a legend on basically any site with a large gathering of men, even outside of porn LOL
I knew him but I didn't know his name, porn videos tend to promote only the females so you have to search for the guy's name to learn it. I've only done it with Johnny Castle, Charles Dera, Lucas Frost, Robby Echo and Seth Gamble like I said, I try to avoid seeing big dicks so the names I've learned are from guys in the close to 6 range (Slightly bigger or smaller or 6)
 
Y’all better get in the real world lol but like I said keep believing and thinking what y’all choose man,whatever helps y’all sleep at night
This is like assuming 90 percent of men are tenors because all pop singers are tenors, or like most women are mezzos because of the same reason. Porn established that "Big Penises look better in camera" Music established that "Tenors and Mezzos sound better because below C3 and above G5 it's hard to articulate any words" but statistically most men are baritones and most women are Sopranos.