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I've come round to it over the years, now that I've learned to dispense with societal expectations of gender roles and what it means to "be a man."

Early on, in my teens, the idea of kissing another man was alien, yucky. These days, I get annoyed when they don't.

So a year or so back I was banging this blond chap, 27, tall, properly athletic. Has a gf but LOVES sucking dick (which he does in a kinda reverential way, so delicate and loving) and getting properly banged. Which is well up my street.

BUT

He won't kiss. It's too gay or sommat.

You know, you'll take my cock up your arse and love it but you won't kiss.

Disappointing. But that's toxic masculinity for you.
 

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I've come round to it over the years, now that I've learned to dispense with societal expectations of gender roles and what it means to "be a man."

Early on, in my teens, the idea of kissing another man was alien, yucky. These days, I get annoyed when they don't.

So a year or so back I was banging this blond chap, 27, tall, properly athletic. Has a gf but LOVES sucking dick (which he does in a kinda reverential way, so delicate and loving) and getting properly banged. Which is well up my street.

BUT

He won't kiss. It's too gay or sommat.

You know, you'll take my cock up your arse and love it but you won't kiss.

Disappointing. But that's toxic masculinity for you.
It’s both hilarious and sad. Loves blowing men, and getting fucked by men, but mouth to mouth action is “too gay” it sounds like. My guess is he’d be much happier just acknowledging he digs both men and women.
 
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It’s both hilarious and sad. Loves blowing men, and getting fucked by men, but mouth to mouth action is “too gay” it sounds like. My guess is he’d be much happier just acknowledging he digs both men and women.
He does. He just won't kiss. Beautiful arse tho'.

*shrugs*
 

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He does. He just won't kiss. Beautiful arse tho'.

*shrugs*
Hey, whatever works, and is consensual, have at it, Hoss. I just find those odd “limits” confusing. Then again, I’ve never been in their shoes, so what do I know?
 

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I kissed a male on the cheek once (non sexual) and all I felt was his stubble beard. I don't know how woman do it, to be honest. I didn't like it at all and can't imagine do it in an intimate, sexual way.


If you had my imagination you would have sidestepped his facial stubble and kissed his neck instead of his cheek. Very intimate indeed.:emoji_kiss_mm:
 

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It is a normal thing to do here in Syria to kiss your male friends and family members on cheek in birthdays, holidays, their marriage and other happy event ... even funerals to condole them
Muslims here don't kiss women outside their family, and most of them don't even shake their hands, while Christians kiss their female relatives and friends on cheek sometimes just to say hi
 

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I've come round to it over the years, now that I've learned to dispense with societal expectations of gender roles and what it means to "be a man."

Early on, in my teens, the idea of kissing another man was alien, yucky. These days, I get annoyed when they don't.

So a year or so back I was banging this blond chap, 27, tall, properly athletic. Has a gf but LOVES sucking dick (which he does in a kinda reverential way, so delicate and loving) and getting properly banged. Which is well up my street.

BUT

He won't kiss. It's too gay or sommat.

You know, you'll take my cock up your arse and love it but you won't kiss.

Disappointing. But that's toxic masculinity for you.

Don't believe for a minute it's just gay or bi men who have this disconnect as based upon our experience in the swinging lifestyle, there is quite a lot of women who feel this way too; although to be fair I believe a lot of it is sometimes more at the behest of their insecure male partner). Can't tell you the number of couples we either met or responding to personal ads who had a "No kissing rule". So basically they were ok with the fact another man could eat her out, get his dick sucked by her (and sometimes she would even swallow) and fuck and come inside her (sometimes bareback), yet both her and her husband considered prolonged kissing "too intimate". Really?

Strangely enough they were usually ok with my wife kissing the other woman (and in fact that was part of the bi-curious appeal to them), yet I was forbidden from touching lips for anything other than a good-bye, thanks for the sex, maybe we'll see you again smack that was akin to something one might give a female relative or friend.
 
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Don't believe for a minute it's just gay or bi men who have this disconnect as based upon our experience in the swinging lifestyle, there is quite a lot of women who feel this way too; although to be fair I believe a lot of it is sometimes more at the behest of their insecure male partner). Can't tell you the number of couples we either met or responding to personal ads who had a "No kissing rule". So basically they were ok with the fact another man could eat her out, get his dick sucked by her (and sometimes she would even swallow) and fuck and come inside her (sometimes bareback), yet both her and her husband considered prolonged kissing "too intimate". Really?

Strangely enough they were usually ok with my wife kissing the other woman (and in fact that was part of the bi-curious appeal to them), yet I was forbidden from touching lips for anything other than a good-bye, thanks for the sex, maybe we'll see you again smack that was akin to something one might give a female relative or friend.
Yes, it becomes a bit of a cliché!

And, tbh, sex isn't quite sex without face on face action.

People are weird.
 

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Depends on who it is. Kiss my gay friends when i greet them (peck on the lips type thing).

Some of my straight male friends only get a hug, some a peck on the cheek, some a kiss on the lips. We're close friends who respect and care about eachother. It's not a sexual thing, but i suppose there is some level of intimacy in it. Never given it much thought.
 

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Depends on who it is. Kiss my gay friends when i greet them (peck on the lips type thing).

Some of my straight male friends only get a hug, some a peck on the cheek, some a kiss on the lips. We're close friends who respect and care about eachother. It's not a sexual thing, but i suppose there is some level of intimacy in it. Never given it much thought.
See, I never do that - greetings kiss - with friends, straight or gay. But then I'm not particularly huggy either.

A kiss is a very intimate thing for me.
 

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See, I never do that - greetings kiss - with friends, straight or gay. But then I'm not particularly huggy either.

A kiss is a very intimate thing for me.
Why can't you have an intimate relationship with someone you don't want to fuck? There are many different kinds of intimacy. I don't feel like there's anything strange about giving a friend a kiss hello or cuddling on the sofa. Male on male intimacy has this stigma that it has to be gay and sexual. Straight women can cuddle up and watch a film and its perfectly fine. Two guys do it and they're fags.

I'm just happy i have easy going, open minded friends. I would hate not to be able to give my friends a big old bear hug or have comfortable, intimate closeness with them.
 

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Why can't you have an intimate relationship with someone you don't want to fuck? There are many different kinds of intimacy. I don't feel like there's anything strange about giving a friend a kiss hello or cuddling on the sofa. Male on male intimacy has this stigma that it has to be gay and sexual. Straight women can cuddle up and watch a film and its perfectly fine. Two guys do it and they're fags.

I'm just happy i have easy going, open minded friends. I would hate not to be able to give my friends a big old bear hug or have comfortable, intimate closeness with them.
Not at all. I have plenty of intimate relationships with people that I am not physically intimate with. I don't see a contradiction?

I'm in no way judging what other people do/don't - I'm just saying that I'm not a very huggy person in general.

I'll kiss and fuck ya but that's a different dynamic and interrelationship for me ;)
 
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Kissing is the *best* thing. I love every type of man-on-man kiss - the subtle bites of the lip, the slow turning fast, the subtle turning full-on, the give-and-take, it all works.

Two things. Bad kissers are the worst and they *can* be taught. It's a bit hard at first to say to someone, look, the thing is, you kiss like it's a punchline and this needs to stop. But it can be done.

Secondly - "I don't kiss" gays are perhaps the worst of the lot. Screw this "I'm gay but not that gay" mentality. Girl, if you're good with (bareback, no doubt) fucking or God knows what else, you're okay with kissing.

There are a number of theories. Either it's toxic masculinity, in which case, sorry for your loss. OR it's something about the difference between being GAY!!!! and being "gay". It's as though "gay" is fine if it's listening to Kylie Minogue or sucking dick, but something difference when it's close intimacy. I don't understand it. Kissing is the spark which starts the fire, excluding kissing is like not putting sugar into a crème brûlée.

There are a good number of porn clips I've splurged over just at the kissing stage. I understand men might have barriers they cannot cross but it just baffles me.