Rape or not?

[Chick&2DicksUK]

I met a girl who was on holiday and staying at the hotel in which I worked (she was 18 and I was 21).

I introduced her to my friends and she introduced me to hers.

We all got along and had fun.

Ali and I got close. Exchanged glances. Hung on every word of the other.Closed our brains to outside distractions (such as our friends cracking jokes and laughing at them. We shared the same interests, the same politics, the same kind of ambitions.

We followed our friends from bar to bar to bar to disco.

We danced.

We laughed.

We kissed.

We decided to go "home" early (home being my staff room at the hotel).

We cuddled each other and kissed while first Marvin Gaye and then Led Zeppelin did their stuff (old romantic that I am).

She complained of being too hot, so I opened the only window.

She still complained of being hot, so I removed her jacket.

She was still hot, so I suggested we lose some clothes (WINK).

Before long, we were a naked 18 year old girl and a naked 21 year old lad in bed.

She played with my cock, stroking and squeezing it like she was at home.

I caressed and squeezed and licked her while she squirmed with pleasure.

The time came to consumate our evening and she willingly opened her legs for me to kneel between. Her pussy was very wet and glistening most enticingly.

I ran the head of my cock between her pussy lips in order to hit her clit and fucked her labia and clitoris for awhile, then pushed him downwards in order to enter her.

"NO" she moaned (but very sensually) .

I grinned and pressed him into her again.

NNNNNOOOOOO!!!!!! she said - still quietly, but far more emphatically.

OK.

I let go of my desires a little and went back to caressing and licking (even as far as my tongue could reach into her pussy) and this she enjoyed and achieved orgasm

After awhile, I got her to put her knees up to her armpits so I could lick her more thoroughly and she was not shy, but she was soon in heaven.

I ran my cock from her knee and onto her thigh and skirted her mound.

I then laid the whole length of him between her pussy lips and she began grinding her hips into me as she orgasmed again.

When I slipped him down to her opening (which was wet and wanting, by now) I heard

"NO"

I literally had my penis head half in and half out of her pussy as we debated it.

I told her I couldn't make love to her if she said "No".

She said she wanted it but couldn't openly agree to it (she was a virgin and mummy was a catholic or something).

I even said "I'm older than you (21 - wow - lol). I'm not stupid. I KNOW you want to. Maybe you need someone to ignore you when you say "no" and just force it in. I think that you would be okay if someone forced you and enjoy it".

She answered "You're probably right. I probably need someone to force me. I know, in my heart, I will enjoy it because I want it. I just can't say it".

"You'll have to find someone else, then, cuz I can't do that" I replied.

Although frustrated, I didn't get upset and we cuddled and caressed and I continued to try my luck until we drifted off to sleep.

We even repeated this scenario every night until the end of her holiday, with her achieving orgasm thru my oral and penis to pussy teasing, but she wouldn't suck or even hand-job me to completion (not that I wanted a hand-job, anyway).

We parted as friends and wrote for a while.

I've recounted this to a number of friends over the years (even lawyers and high ranking policemen) all of whom agree that, provided my version of events were believed, no Court in the land would have convicted me of rape if I'd have pushed inside her and she'd then claimed rape.

To ME, though, so long as she said "No" it would've been rape.

What's your thoughts?

 

[MH07]

No means no.

 

[andysmith]

well in court you probably would be found for not rape becuase she came to your place, got naked and already engaged in sexual activity.

However, would it have been worth the heartache for you and your family if she cried if she felt ashamed for doing it.

Better safe than sorry and you did the right thing.

She sounded messed up

 

[alex8.5]

No means no, if you would have continued, in my opinion that would have been rape.

 

[swordfishME]

Rape or not; if she had accused you you would have become a rapist in the court of public opnion and that would have had not so good ramifications for you and your family.

 

[Big en]

agree with the above but I do know we have all been there as youths and have been in the same situation.

 

[B_Jennuine73]

No means no.

Sounds like she wanted it, fantasized perhaps about being raped. You did the right thing and I am thoroughly impressed at your self control.

 

[invisibleman]

No means no.

It is rape.

But sometimes you get a YES in the beginning and then when you fuck and get a NO--then you are still raping.

If a person doesn't want to have sex...and you force them to--it is rape.

 

[Rugbypup]

I have little understanding of women, they themselves admit to at times say things with visa versa meanings that men are just suposed to understand.

However, I tend to agree, no means no.

However, would it have been rape if you had? Hmmmm, not too sure on that I'm afraid, you didn't exactly have a knife to her throat and she wasn't non consensual when you went down on her.

Sounds more like nervous first time sex more than full non consensual rape. Probably best you didn't though, no doubt she would have relaxed and even enjoyed it but in the morning fear and guilt may well of made her cry rape and you would now be banged up in a foreign jail as a malicious sex preditor.

Rape is rape, it's evil and disgusting, so it is when women cry rape for no other reason than to attack a man they regret having sex with.

 

[B_Jennuine73]

I have little understanding of women, they themselves admit to at times say things with visa versa meanings that men are just suposed to understand.

However, I tend to agree, no means no.

However, would it have been rape if you had? Hmmmm, not too sure on that I'm afraid, you didn't exactly have a knife to her throat and she wasn't non consensual when you went down on her.

Don't need a knife at her throat, she wasn't ready so it would have been rape.

Sounds more like nervous first time sex more than full non consensual rape. Probably best you didn't though, no doubt she would have relaxed and even enjoyed it but in the morning fear and guilt may well of made her cry rape and you would now be banged up in a foreign jail as a malicious sex preditor.

Rape is rape, it's evil and disgusting, so it is when women cry rape for no other reason than to attack a man they regret having sex with.

I agree 100% on this cute little pup.

 

[dreamer20]

3 X I heard "NO". I told her I couldn't make love to her if she said "No".

She said she couldn't openly agree to it she was a virgin and mummy was a catholic or something.

I even said I'm not stupid. I KNOW you want to. Maybe you need someone to ignore you when you say "no" and just force it in. I think that you would be OK if someone forced you and enjoy it".

...all of whom agree that, provided my version of events were believed, no Court in the land would have convicted me of rape if I'd have pushed inside her and she'd then claimed rape.

Unless you were planning to tell some different version of the events, in this version she said NO and told you why she couldn't agree to what you wanted. You suggested forcing her, which isn't going to help your case either. NO means no.

 

[Chokebloke]

Too risky to have pushed in, mate - once the 'fantasy' (of being forcibly penetrated by you) for the woman had been fulfilled, regret (and recrimination levelled at you) might have set in.

You acted wisely.

If no means no, it lies open to interpretation as 'rape'.

 

[B_andyo]

Watching for ur next thread about ur interesting life

 

[Chick&2DicksUK]

Watching for ur next thread about ur interesting life

Wait no longer:

http://www.lpsg.org/80668-a-friend-s-mum-girlfriend.html

Let me know though, when you guys get bored.

 

[B_andyo]

why dont you make a thread called "My Private life" or " My accomplishments" or just called "The SuAndBud Herald"

that would actually work...

otherwise people will actually think you are faking orgasm everytime.

 

[IntoxicatingToxin]

"Baaaa" means no.

Er, wait... wrong thread...

I'm agreeing with most people on here... no means no, regardless of whether or not she wants it. I feel bad for you, though. :frown1: That sucked!

 

[Chick&2DicksUK]

why dont you make a thread called "My Private life" or " My accomplishments" or just called "The SuAndBud Herald"

that would actually work...

otherwise people will actually think you are faking orgasm everytime.

Coming from someone who actually blogs.................:biggrin1:

The phrase is "Pretty Rich".

You can always block or ignore.

 

[PlatinumLavender]

Coming from someone who actually blogs.................:biggrin1:

The phrase is "Pretty Rich".

You can always block or ignore.

While you can ignore a particular user, their new threads show up in the latest post columns and on the boards these threads are created in. So its hard to ignore someone entirely.

Andyo, thats gold my good man. Gold. :tongue:

 

[Chick&2DicksUK]

While you can ignore a particular user, their new threads show up in the latest post columns and on the boards these threads are created in. So its hard to ignore someone entirely.

Andyo, thats gold my good man. Gold. :tongue:

Thanks for the information Lavender.

Quite knowledgeable for your very first post:wink:

 

[PlatinumLavender]

Thanks for the information Lavender.

Quite knowledgeable for your very first post:wink:

I looked it up. I'm a sucker for knowledge. It is my strong point and my downfall all at the same time. So paradoxical. Actually i've been a lurker for quite sometime.