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As a gay 30 year old male I sometimes feel the odd one out in the crowd the whole gay lifestyle has never really appealed to me. Its seems more and more that gay men still seem to be self destructive and that we never really learned anything from the aids epidemic. Some many gays seem to either struggle with monogamy or they have an open relationship followed with unprotected sex often with a plethora of different guys and often are into the drug scene in one sense or a another. I have never truly seen the appeal in this kind of behaviour or come to understand why they live this way.
 
I kind of object to this idea of "the gay lifestyle". It's really just a male lifestyle. It's mostly women who impose the behavioral change onto men.

Having said that, I understand you are feeling some frustration at not being able to find someone who wants to settle down. But I'd say you are probably just looking in the wrong places.

It's like looking for monogamy on Grindr.
 
I kind of object to this idea of "the gay lifestyle". It's really just a male lifestyle. It's mostly women who impose the behavioral change onto men.

Having said that, I understand you are feeling some frustration at not being able to find someone who wants to settle down. But I'd say you are probably just looking in the wrong places.

It's like looking for monogamy on Grindr.
Thanks for taking the time to reply, I have a vast circle of friends both striaght and gsy and I can assure that my Male hetro friends are far more sexual health conscious. I know many gays who are fine having unprotected sex with with a nimber of guys. I live about 10 minutes car drive from a local dogging site and the stories of what occurs is crazy. It's something I have been studying (trained psychologist) for the past few years. I do agree it's very much a male behavior but its way more amplified in gay men from what I know personally and data that shows it, your just have to show the projection in gay bareback porn. I'm also not looking for love as I'm far to career focused ATM so their is no frustration on my part.
 
The difference is most likely to prevent pregnancy rather than STIs to be honest.

Pretty much all my straight friends make their wives/girlfriends take the pill because they prefer to bareback. It's hard to demand/prove it on random hookups.

I thought your issue was more the promiscuity rather than the risk of STI transmission. Most guys on the scene are on prep and hopefully test regularly to treat the rest.
 
The difference is most likely to prevent pregnancy rather than STIs to be honest.

Pretty much all my straight friends make their wives/girlfriends take the pill because they prefer to bareback. It's hard to demand/prove it on random hookups.

I thought your issue was more the promiscuity rather than the risk of STI transmission. Most guys on the scene are on prep and hopefully test regularly to treat the rest.
I have issue with both mainly the STI issue and I also find it strange that guys are willing to have bareback even if they are on prep..... like that shit only covers you for one thing not the rest and even then we dont known the long term effects taking the drug could be.
 
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I've known plenty gays that are seeking a monogamous lifestyle. I'm also aware of groups that speak out agaist prep and the lifestyles it encourages. I think you could find those groups if you scrounged the internet enough. LPSG might not be the best place to find likeminds.

From my end, I hope you learn to feel a little more compassion for those who live differently than you, but I also hope you find some men who are likeminded to yourself so that you don't feel too lonely in your opinion, as your aversion sounds genuine.
 
Perhaps you can explain why it bothers you so much? You don't participate so how does it affect you?
No I just find it perplexing that, it seems the majority of gay men indulge in that kind of self destructive behaviour. I think personally when I have discussed it with colleagues and other gay men the common consensus is that at for the majority of history gay sex was illegal but gay love never was. So because gay love itself was never illegal the law pretty much left it alone. It seems most gay men now seem to define their liberation by the kind of sex they have which to me is misguided and dangerous and I just want to know why they are so flippant with their health.
 
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I used to think the same way as you especially since the majority of my friends/people I am around are straight. However, I found that it really comes down to the fact that gay guys are more ‘open’ about what they get up to.

My straight male friends never really speak of doing drug sex, barebacking, shagging X amount of women etc whereas the majority of gay guys I come across on apps, in bars, I know etc tend to talk about it more.

This used to give me the warped idea that gays were more promiscuous in general. More willing to play unsafe, even more so since Prep became more available. More into open relationships etc.

Whilst this is the case, I’m still yet to be convinced that gay guys aren’t so promiscuous... mostly due to my experience on apps and websites.
 
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I find it quite perplexing that people are painting the gay community with quite the broad brush here. Based on what? Your conjecture? Your opinion? Your limited exposure to other gay people? Hanging out on chat sites and phone apps? Not good metrics upon which to base such a specific opinion.

People making these "assumptions" couldn't be more wrong. There's a lot more of us that don't go to bars. Aren't promiscuous. Don't hang out in sex clubs or book stores or whatnot. Don't hook up via phone and other social media. Who are monogamous. And in loving relationships. Many of us have children.

And IF a couple chooses to have an open relationship, that's between them. Their business. Not mine. Not yours. Walk a mile in my shoes before you try and judge.

The majority of gay men are not "self-destructive" nor do they indulge in all the "behaviors" some folks appear so anxious to prescribe to the millions of gay men they don't know.

The actions of a minority do not represent the lives being led by the majority. Period.

I don't have a "gay" lifestyle. I have a life. That I lead. And that I happen to be gay is but one of the may parts that make up who I am. Even when I was single, I was nothing like what has been described by some posters in this thread. Nope.

So how about you stop with the sweeping generalizations?

Please and Thanks! :rolleyes:
 
As recently divorced guy. I would love to learn more about the gay lifestyle. But I am hesitant since I am buried deeply in the closet. So the learning and exploration has to be in a slow methodical manner. I wish that at age 60 they have grown up with all the stigma there was back in the late 70s.

Young men today have the freedom to enjoy their sexuality that people of my generation buried deep into the closet.
Today I still have that hesitation and guilt that has prevented me from opening up and exploring my feelings buried deeply within.
 
I had to edit this as I inadvertently broke one of the posting rules (sorry about that!). Here is the revised form:

Don't confuse social contrivances--particularly sexual monogamy--as normal just because everyone does it. Males are not hard wired for sexual monogamy and conflating sex and Love is easily one of the most destructive things the Church has ever done, as the vast wasteland of heterosexual marriage has demonstrated with it's low marriage rate and high divorce rate. Males are naturally promiscuous and in spite of marketing to the contrary, it is the exception, not the the rule in the animal kingdom. The healthiest relationships I've ever seen as well as experienced did not involve the expectation of monogamy and with it the foundation of a relationship based on fear and jealousy, which has marred the heterosexual world, while providing content for half the country music catalog and Taylor Swift output. IN short, non-monogamy is not self-destructive as history has repeatedly demonstrated. What is destructive is that Males are raised in the Xian west to have an unhealthy psyche and relationship with their bodies because they are practically brainwashed from birth to be ashamed of their bodies and guilty they have a libido. This leads to denial and guilt that plays out sexual indulgence on the DL, be it through net porn when no one is around, cruising restrooms and gym saunas or hiring an escort for safe discreet play.
Now as for the drinking, recreational drugs and other such physically destructive actions: these spring largely from the above unhealthy and unnatural sexual expectations and social programming scenario. Heterosexuals have this too. You see it in the form of "Ladies night" at a club/bar where the females drink free for the first couple hours before the guys show up and with enough alcohol to suppress socially programmed limitation, everyone may "get lucky" tonight.
Gays, however, have the added weight of being viewed as sick or damaged by a large segment of the Bible wielding society and this compounds the issue seen with the Ladies Night example above, whereby the only way they can stand themselves and satisfy their desires at the same time is to be in a chemically altered state, which opens the door for the easy slide into physical chemical addiction. I credit my sexual experience and the dismissing of the social programming I was being taught as THE reason that I don't drink, don't smoke, and don't use recreational drugs. I am certain there is nothing one can experience more pleasurable or fulfilling than sex. I was and still am, what the faux moralists call "a slut" and I am totally proud of it.
You can see this same self-destructive behavior in the American Bible Belt, which, while leadership insists they know how we can be happy if we just do what they say, their flock comprises the most physically unhealthy (highest region for chronic preventable diseases, like diabetes and cardiovascular disease, epicenter for the American meth lab crisis and opioid crisis) population per capita while also being the highest consumers of internet porn (gay and str8) according to annual PornHub stats. Once again, you can't keep telling people they are awful because of Natural internal drive written into their DNA and not expect that it is going to do long term damage to their psyche and again, the only way they can stand to be around themselves is to be in a chemically altered state.
In summary, in order to find some sense of health and normalcy in the gay (or even str8) world, we (gay and str8) have to do some serious self reflecting about what got us here, namely sexual repressive norms that have no scientific basis and run counter to our natural DNA programming. When we overcome baseless sexual morals--sorry, The Bible says so, is NOT a valid reason--then we can approach our lives and our relationships with some sort of grounded basis.
 
The difference is most likely to prevent pregnancy rather than STIs to be honest.

Pretty much all my straight friends make their wives/girlfriends take the pill because they prefer to bareback. It's hard to demand/prove it on random hookups.

I thought your issue was more the promiscuity rather than the risk of STI transmission. Most guys on the scene are on prep and hopefully test regularly to treat the rest.


I always prefer bareback as I can stand condoms!
 
I always prefer bareback as I can stand condoms!
I had to edit this as I inadvertently broke one of the posting rules (sorry about that!). Here is the revised form:

Don't confuse social contrivances--particularly sexual monogamy--as normal just because everyone does it. Males are not hard wired for sexual monogamy and conflating sex and Love is easily one of the most destructive things the Church has ever done, as the vast wasteland of heterosexual marriage has demonstrated with it's low marriage rate and high divorce rate. Males are naturally promiscuous and in spite of marketing to the contrary, it is the exception, not the the rule in the animal kingdom. The healthiest relationships I've ever seen as well as experienced did not involve the expectation of monogamy and with it the foundation of a relationship based on fear and jealousy, which has marred the heterosexual world, while providing content for half the country music catalog and Taylor Swift output. IN short, non-monogamy is not self-destructive as history has repeatedly demonstrated. What is destructive is that Males are raised in the Xian west to have an unhealthy psyche and relationship with their bodies because they are practically brainwashed from birth to be ashamed of their bodies and guilty they have a libido. This leads to denial and guilt that plays out sexual indulgence on the DL, be it through net porn when no one is around, cruising restrooms and gym saunas or hiring an escort for safe discreet play.
Now as for the drinking, recreational drugs and other such physically destructive actions: these spring largely from the above unhealthy and unnatural sexual expectations and social programming scenario. Heterosexuals have this too. You see it in the form of "Ladies night" at a club/bar where the females drink free for the first couple hours before the guys show up and with enough alcohol to suppress socially programmed limitation, everyone may "get lucky" tonight.
Gays, however, have the added weight of being viewed as sick or damaged by a large segment of the Bible wielding society and this compounds the issue seen with the Ladies Night example above, whereby the only way they can stand themselves and satisfy their desires at the same time is to be in a chemically altered state, which opens the door for the easy slide into physical chemical addiction. I credit my sexual experience and the dismissing of the social programming I was being taught as THE reason that I don't drink, don't smoke, and don't use recreational drugs. I am certain there is nothing one can experience more pleasurable or fulfilling than sex. I was and still am, what the faux moralists call "a slut" and I am totally proud of it.
You can see this same self-destructive behavior in the American Bible Belt, which, while leadership insists they know how we can be happy if we just do what they say, their flock comprises the most physically unhealthy (highest region for chronic preventable diseases, like diabetes and cardiovascular disease, epicenter for the American meth lab crisis and opioid crisis) population per capita while also being the highest consumers of internet porn (gay and str8) according to annual PornHub stats. Once again, you can't keep telling people they are awful because of Natural internal drive written into their DNA and not expect that it is going to do long term damage to their psyche and again, the only way they can stand to be around themselves is to be in a chemically altered state.
In summary, in order to find some sense of health and normalcy in the gay (or even str8) world, we (gay and str8) have to do some serious self reflecting about what got us here, namely sexual repressive norms that have no scientific basis and run counter to our natural DNA programming. When we overcome baseless sexual morals--sorry, The Bible says so, is NOT a valid reason--then we can approach our lives and our relationships with some sort of grounded basis.
I welcome your view but its really just making excuses for wreckless behaviour
 
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I welcome your view but its really just making excuses for wreckless behaviour

To call something "reckless" is to imply it is destructive behavior. You have yet to demonstrate how non-monogamy is destructive. It certainly doesn't end in people eaten up in bitterness, jealousy, anger, hypocrisy, "he cheated on me" the Thunder Rolls, Long Black Veil type of psychological and emotional damage monogamy has a history of doing. And in reference to your question to the other poster: I am on PrEP and am tested monthly, so is my fiancee.
 
To call something "reckless" is to imply it is destructive behavior. You have yet to demonstrate how non-monogamy is destructive. It certainly doesn't end in people eaten up in bitterness, jealousy, anger, hypocrisy, "he cheated on me" the Thunder Rolls, Long Black Veil type of psychological and emotional damage monogamy has a history of doing. And in reference to your question to the other poster: I am on PrEP and am tested monthly, so is my fiancee.
Well your on PrEP which is one thing nut when you have sex with other people are you wearing a condom or just using prep?