Thoughts about countries that execute LGTB+

[playlay]

Wouldn’t you expect me to provide evidence if I was claiming and even describing that rape was happening systematically during the Oct. 7 attacks?

Use your brain.

So whether or not rape is perpetrated "systematically" is a mitigating or aggravating factor for you? Do you require rapists sign a memorandum of understanding that they followed a specified procedure ensuring that they raped in a "systematic" manner? Animus contrahendi must be established in order for you to determine if sexual violence is rape - or if its bad enough, in your opinion, to be considered rape?

Why would you choose such a horrific, brutal, inhumane & emotive example to prove a point? That massacre what is required to establish cause/effect to previous comments?

Do you think YOU might be the one needing to use their brain?

 

[Sagittarius84]

Wouldn’t you expect me to provide evidence if I was claiming and even describing that rape was happening systematically during the Oct. 7 attacks?

Use your brain.

No actually, I think enough historical context of demoralizing and genocidal conflict in the region exists to confidently assume rape has been used as an aggressive tactic by either side...the only evidence I would need would be to make a determination of whom is more guilty of it than the other

 

[chrissal480]

If you all google events about the holocaust that you don’t see in movies about it or in history books..

Prisoners were forced to have sex with the military personal when no one was looking .. then when they got done the.military guy would kill the Jew or whoever ( which were mainly Jews ) so no one would find out … other prisoners saw these event happen but they never said a word in fear they’d be killed next..

So in the time these assholes hated Jews and homosexuals .. they’d do homosexual things with them ..

But these stories you don’t see on movies or in the history books because the idea of the homosexual part would piss people off even more that they already were

Not to mention a lot of people want to try make believe it didn’t happen that no way a government would allow it to happen

But let that be a lot of straight people being taken prisoner/hostage and abused and killed by a bunch of homosexuals and listen to them say how it’s not fair for us to be doing that to them

 

[Sagittarius84]

That's what I don't think he's understanding, I'm not positing rape as this gotcha to implicate some group of people or some country over the other, I accept rape as one of the original ways humans, especially men, found to terrorize and demoralize one another in the space of a conflict...I recognize that most countries that have little to no fear of invasion from foreign powers do not draft women or do not allow them for Frontline combat, not just because of their average physical disparity to men, but largely because it's a foregone conclusion the enemy will make specific efforts to capture female soldiers alive, rape them and send them back to bear the children of the enemy back home, I recognize that just about every military conflict the US has gone abroad for, even in the case of just military actions, the soldiers leave behind half American legacies by the local women, and not always consensually....so why wouldnt I assume military and paramilitary forces with less purported moral standing are utilizing the same tactics?
I 100% believe some of the Hamas perpetrators were raping Israeli women they came across on Oct. 7...I also believe it wouldn't be hard to find a Palestinian woman or girl that has been raped by IDF soldier(s) or Israeli settlers/homesteaders.

 

[playlay]

not draft women or do not allow them for Frontline combat, not just because of their average physical disparity to men, but largely because it's a foregone conclusion the enemy will make specific efforts to capture female soldiers alive

Why are you moving the goal post, mentioning soldiers, not the civilians? It's clear we're talking about civilians. Unless you consider there to be no differentiation between Israeli combatants & civilians.

After investigating, the UN Special Representative of the Secretary-General on Sexual Violence in Conflict stated in her report regarding conflict-related sexual violence against Israelis:

"There are reasonable grounds to believe that conflict-related sexual violence occurred at several locations across the Gaza periphery, including rape & gang rape, during the 7 October attacks. Credible circumstantial information of sexual violence, including genital mutilation, sexualized torture, or cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment, was also gathered.
With regards to the hostages, the mission team found clear and convincing information that some hostages taken to Gaza have been subjected to various forms of conflict-related sexual violence and has reasonable grounds to believe that such violence may be ongoing".

The UN representative stated in her presentation of the report:

"What I witnessed in Israel were scenes of unspeakable violence perpetrated with shocking brutality,”

& upon viewing the photos & videos taken by the perpetrators of the sexual assaults of Israelis, she characterized it as:

“a catalogue of the most extreme and inhumane forms of killing, torture and other horrors,”

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I also believe it wouldn't be hard to find a Palestinian woman or girl that has been raped by IDF soldier(s) or Israeli settlers/homesteaders.

If you insist on engaging in what-about-isms...

In the same report, the UN representative wrote regarding conflict-related sexual violence against Palestinians:

"no instances of rape were reported"

 

[playlay]

If you all google events about the holocaust that you don’t see in movies about it or in history books..

Prisoners were forced to have sex with the military personal when no one was looking .. then when they got done the.military guy would kill the Jew or whoever ( which were mainly Jews ) so no one would find out … other prisoners saw these event happen but they never said a word in fear they’d be killed next..

So in the time these assholes hated Jews and homosexuals .. they’d do homosexual things with them ..

But these stories you don’t see on movies or in the history books because the idea of the homosexual part would piss people off even more that they already were

Not to mention a lot of people want to try make believe it didn’t happen that no way a government would allow it to happen

But let that be a lot of straight people being taken prisoner/hostage and abused and killed by a bunch of homosexuals and listen to them say how it’s not fair for us to be doing that to them

My friend wrote his dissertation on his time interviewing Holocaust survivors in Yiddish, rather than English. The men especially, were more forthcoming in their testimonies, regarding - amongst other things - sexual assault. They had the words to describe the experiences in Yiddish, better than in English. I don't think he translated any of the testimonies though.

A decent jumping off point might be (I think I have both articles, if you're interested, I can try to figure out a way to send them to you):

Tommy J. Curry (2020): Thinking through the silence: theorizing the rape of Jewish males during the Holocaust through survivor testimonies, Holocaust Studies, DOI: 10.1080/17504902.2020.1843824

Glowacka, Dorota (2021). "Sexual Violence against Men and Boys during the Holocaust: A Genealogy of (Not-So-Silent) Silence". German History. 38 (4): 78–99. doi:10.1093/gerhis/ghaa032

There has been a surprisingly substantial amount of work done regarding the topic (relatively speaking - it's a low bar)

 

[coordinatedchaos]

How do you stop them?
Get the UN to sign an LGBT protection treaty? Lots of UN members hardly ensure human rights for straights/cis people. China doesn't. Russia doesn't. And they're both Sec. Council members. Even "free" liberal democracies like the USA, UK, France, etc., aren't perfect in human rights provision.

Hungary is an EU member and the EU explicitly forbids discrimination of any kind, yet Hungary is by far the most anti-LGBT member state.

Would sanctions result? There are too many vested interests at play. The Arab states these days are involved in a big way with sport, property, etc. in Western countries. African countries even are sponsoring big European football clubs like Arsenal and PSG. Go and tell KSE and Al-Khelafi they cannot get "Visit Rwanda" many any longer.

 

[playlay]

How do you stop them?
Get the UN to sign an LGBT protection treaty? Lots of UN members hardly ensure human rights for straights/cis people. China doesn't. Russia doesn't. And they're both Sec. Council members. Even "free" liberal democracies like the USA, UK, France, etc., aren't perfect in human rights provision.

Hungary is an EU member and the EU explicitly forbids discrimination of any kind, yet Hungary is by far the most anti-LGBT member state.

Would sanctions result? There are too many vested interests at play. The Arab states these days are involved in a big way with sport, property, etc. in Western countries. African countries even are sponsoring big European football clubs like Arsenal and PSG. Go and tell KSE and Al-Khelafi they cannot get "Visit Rwanda" many any longer.

The UN is the most useless organization - just a bunch of buildings where countries with horrible human rights records can gaslight & have a soapbox to rattle off their mindless, propagandistic rhetoric, right before the issuance of toothless, strongly-worded resolutions & meaningless General Assembly votes.

But... it's a great place for Qatar to network & shove as many banknotes in the pockets of anyone to get everything they want.

 

[BIGBULL29]

The LGTB community is hated community by many people.

The Religious Right preaches hatred of gays which, in turn, promotes violence against the them. Far-Right religion groups are responsible indirectly for violence against the LGTB community.

People must take a firm stance against hatred in all of its forms. We have a long, long way to go. In the past few years, we've gone backwards in the US.

I'm not sure what the future holds, but I have big concerns about hate and violence directed at minority groups. It's going to get worse, I'm afraid.

Fascism singles out minority groups to hate on and then uses them as scapegoats for all of a certain society's problems.

If I remember correctly, Victor Davis Hanson recently said that trans people are playing a role in the downfall of Western Civilization. Yes, he said that, and thousands upon thousands agree. This stuff is real, people. You need to be aware.

 

[Sart Orious]

It’s sad that this kind of stuff happens because of a persons sexual preference .

Soon as I remember the title of a movie I watched a while back I’ll post it so you all can watch it if want to..

It’s about bunch of guys great friends and all.. as all these type movies start out..little ways into the movie one of the guys gets caught kissing and making out with another guy.. and this causes the guys that were making out to run..

Few minutes later the friend that caught his friend kissing another guy tells him about what they do to ..” faggots”” and all.. then picks up a bar on side of the street hits the gay friend few times with it ..

Then he pulls his pants down .. and then pulls his cock out and rapes him.. telling him this is what they will do to him..

He gets done and leaves .. after gaining his composure he gets up and pulls his pants up and begins walking in pain.. .. and as he’s walking he’s talking like telling a story of that’s wasn’t what they did … they’d use sticks and iron bars and shove them up your ass few times and leave you there to bleed to death..


He gets home .. goes to bathroom .. gets in tub of water and it turns red from the blood .. and the door opens up.. it’s his brother bitching he heard he was kissing another boy then asked if he was gay .. he replies that his friend raped him..

He didn’t seem to care that he was raped .. all he wanted to know was if his brother was a fag.. and he says yes ..
Few seconds later his own brother pulled out a gun shoots him in the head .. and leaves the room ..



Later on he does confront the guy that raped his brother saying that made him a fag to and other guys standing around saying kill the fag .. and he does ..

And I am sitting there shocked that this is allowed …


In some countries it’s the man that carries on the family name .. and he can’t do that if he’s sucking dick and screwing ass instead of pussy ..

So you disgrace and dishonor the family.. so you become useless to the family

And this is sad that you’d rather kill your brother for being gay than to love him for who he is ..


This shouldn’t be allowed and what scares me now is all the hate being promoted in the USA by the president that it will become something that will occur here

Did the president promote hate against gay people?

 

[chrissal480]

I surely. Ant say that but the thing is if the laws aren’t there to say it’s against the law to kill someone because they are lgtb+ then that’s saying they aren’t against it happening

Here in the USA .. our problem is there are laws against killing and assaulting lgtb+ people .. its just that a lot of states won’t enforce it .. they have a problem with labeling things as a hate crime as it will hurt tourism in their states .. they just label it as assault and let it go at that.. thinking that it’s ok.. but the issue will never be under control if don’t enforce it

This country has become a country that let the people committing the crimes have more rights than the victims ..

Without saying specific cases but one person got 10 years for killing another person .. claiming self defense and it wasn’t self defense .. they worried more about this person being about to attend his graduation than the person he killed

Another case .. guy raped and killed a woman he gets 20 years in prison.. does his victim get to come back in 20 years ..no she doesn’t


Drunk driver had 7 offenses .. had his drivers license taken away from him and wasn’t allowed to drive .. drives home drunk one night kills a woman walking her dog along sidewalk …. 5 years with possibility of parole in 3


The victims have no rights

The laws aren’t there but not enforced .. unless mess up on taxes then you get a stiff sentence for that

 

[coordinatedchaos]

So

The UN is the most useless organization - just a bunch of buildings where countries with horrible human rights records can gaslight & have a soapbox to rattle off their mindless, propagandistic rhetoric, right before the issuance of toothless, strongly-worded resolutions & meaningless General Assembly votes.

But... it's a great place for Qatar to network & shove as many banknotes in the pockets of anyone to get everything they want.

what other forum is there to get countries to be lgbt friendly? Abd the United isn’t perfect m. Humanity isn’t perfect. Grown men get that

 

[coordinatedchaos]

The UN is the most useless organization - just a bunch of buildings where countries with horrible human rights records can gaslight & have a soapbox to rattle off their mindless, propagandistic rhetoric, right before the issuance of toothless, strongly-worded resolutions & meaningless General Assembly votes.

But... it's a great place for Qatar to network & shove as many banknotes in the pockets of anyone to get everything they want.

I'd bet you'd push for sanctions on them. Yep, sanctions work. They haven't killed off Russia, North Korea, or Iran. Iran is in the process of getting nuclear weapons.
It's funny how pricks like you claim to be edcuted but actively mix your weird inner retard beleifs with reality. Maybe you fraudently got into uni, or sucked some lecturer's cock or something to get in, since your actual appraisal of issues and capacity to differentiate opinions and with facts are alarmingly comical.

 

[playlay]

I'd bet you'd push for sanctions on them. Yep, sanctions work. They haven't killed off Russia, North Korea, or Iran. Iran is in the process of getting nuclear weapons.
It's funny how pricks like you claim to be edcuted but actively mix your weird inner retard beleifs with reality. Maybe you fraudently got into uni, or sucked some lecturer's cock or something to get in, since your actual appraisal of issues and capacity to differentiate opinions and with facts are alarmingly comical.

I'll admit stupidity in that it took me until now to realize you're the guy at the corner with the megaphone & tin foil hat. I love people like you - whenever I feel like I don't have my shit together, there's always your type to remind me that "Nope, I'm just fine. Compared to him, I've got my shit together & am one of life's winners".

Maybe you fraudently got into uni, or sucked some lecturer's cock or something to get in

I guess I must be a really good cocksucker, since it got me a BA, MA, PhD & JD - rather than the usual - a sore throat.

 

[coordinatedchaos]

I'll admit stupidity in that it took me until now to realize you're the guy at the corner with the megaphone & tin foil hat. I love people like you - whenever I feel like I don't have my shit together, there's always your type to remind me that "Nope, I'm just fine. Compared to him, I've got my shit together & am one of life's winners".



I guess I must be a really good cocksucker, since it got me a BA, MA, PhD & JD - rather than the usual - a sore throat.

The topic at hand is countries with anti-LGBT laws. I'm saying what cna be done to stop them - not much. National sovereignty exists. And the UN is a forum for international co-operation, whether imperfect or not. Some UN things are good like UNICEF. Or climate agreements. Or the Declaration of Human Rights.
So really, not much can be done, as there would need to be some global agreement to protect LGBT rights, which not all countries would sign. Hence why I mentioned the UN.

 

[playlay]

The topic at hand is countries with anti-LGBT laws. I'm saying what cna be done to stop them - not much. National sovereignty exists. And the UN is a forum for international co-operation, whether imperfect or not. Some UN things are good like UNICEF. Or climate agreements. Or the Declaration of Human Rights.
So really, not much can be done, as there would need to be some global agreement to protect LGBT rights, which not all countries would sign. Hence why I mentioned the UN.

I was thinking about the topic while deepthroating another professor for my next degree - he's a slow blow, so I had a while to ponder the matter at hand.

Since nothing is legally binding i.e. treaties, resolutions, etc... & there are more countries that either have active anti-LGBT laws on the books or it's a low priority issue for law-makers (even the most progressive parties in socially conservative countries avoid any LGBT-related issue like its the plague), I can't think of any external force or influence to change anti-LGBT legislation. It'd need to be a grassroots level issue, & in socially conservative countries, I can't think of anything less likely to take hold than LGBT rights.

 

[Sart Orious]

I surely. Ant say that but the thing is if the laws aren’t there to say it’s against the law to kill someone because they are lgtb+ then that’s saying they aren’t against it happening

Here in the USA .. our problem is there are laws against killing and assaulting lgtb+ people .. its just that a lot of states won’t enforce it .. they have a problem with labeling things as a hate crime as it will hurt tourism in their states .. they just label it as assault and let it go at that.. thinking that it’s ok.. but the issue will never be under control if don’t enforce it

This country has become a country that let the people committing the crimes have more rights than the victims ..

Without saying specific cases but one person got 10 years for killing another person .. claiming self defense and it wasn’t self defense .. they worried more about this person being about to attend his graduation than the person he killed

Another case .. guy raped and killed a woman he gets 20 years in prison.. does his victim get to come back in 20 years ..no she doesn’t


Drunk driver had 7 offenses .. had his drivers license taken away from him and wasn’t allowed to drive .. drives home drunk one night kills a woman walking her dog along sidewalk …. 5 years with possibility of parole in 3


The victims have no rights

The laws aren’t there but not enforced .. unless mess up on taxes then you get a stiff sentence for that

Why do you act like it’s common for lgbt to be killed or assaulted in the USA? Stats don’t bear that out.