Thoughts on "Dahmer"?

[JoeRoscoe]

I'm curious what other gay men think of the 2022 Netflix series "Dahmer" (or whatever the full title is)? I don't really understand why Ryan Murphy felt the need to do this, although I grudgingly agree it's watchable.

 

[51arledge]

There is no way I'm going to watch this. The monster wreaked enough violence on gay men, and making a film about wreaks havoc with our community.

 

[deleted1074483]

there seem to be a lot of 'dahmer' related shows at the moment - i guess there is a morbid fascination with these type of guys and why they did what they did, which in his case was beyond gruesome. Clearly for gay men it is more difficult given the nature of who he attacked and what he did with those victims. The ones i've seen advertised were more about the 'why' and 'how' did he become this person who could do this to these people. I think its good to know the 'warning' signs but not sure i would want to watch any details.

 

[Brodie888]

Yes Dahmer was a monster but the series also shines another light on white privilege and how minority communities have been mistreated by the system.

 

[AllDixNeedLuv69]

i havent watched it yet--but i do know just from the time he was arrested and hearing partly what he did--and now this film--should show we as gay men need to be more careful who we meet and get with--you see all the time stories about women being raped and killed by serial killers and now here is a story about a guy that killed gay teens/men and it shocked the world--

and now makes me wonder how many more are out there waiting to prey on gay men --you see posters of gay missing all the time and wonder if it is possible one is around the area---so as a community you need to watch it or not but be careful who you meet--

a friend of mine met a guy on grindr just to be beaten near death by the guy

 

[dreambridger]

I'm definitely not into exploitative true crime stuff and I have no interest in watching it, and I find it disconcerting that the genre is so popular.

 

[mdelaurier]

Seeing people fetishise Dahmer as misunderstood, hot, or "I could change him" is vile, and I refuse to watch it. On top of that, it sounds like the families of his victims had no say in the production or depiction of said victims which is just plain scummy.

James Somerton has a good video essay on it if you've got half an hour to burn.

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[RenDickpic]

The obsession with true crime and him is agitating lol.

Counting all the movies and tv specials about him or what he did, the netflix one is like the 20th or so?

We get it already. Everything else I have to say about it pretty much would violate the no politics portion of the site.

 

[Brady_E123]

The boy who was playing as gacys worker is hot

 

[IMO]

Seeing people fetishise Dahmer as misunderstood, hot, or "I could change him" is vile, and I refuse to watch it. On top of that, it sounds like the families of his victims had no say in the production or depiction of said victims which is just plain scummy.

James Somerton has a good video essay on it if you've got half an hour to burn.

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[mdelaurier]

This comment aged like fine milk.

Boy, did it ever. Barf.

I still refuse to watch something that fetishizes a serial killer though, even if Somerton wound up being a piece of shit.

 

[Topher the Gopher]

The fact of the matter is, the man was gay and also happened to be sick in the head. True crime has been a thing for a long time and probably always will be. There have also been movies about the Manson Family, Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy, Aileen Wournos, Ed Gein, Albert Fish, and all the rest of them. I suspect that Dahmer gets the amount of attention that he does because he was the most recent of the most notorious serial killers, and the only recent one to my knowledge who was a serial cannibal to boot.

Putting aside the grossness of capitalizing on what he did without any input from his family or those of his victims, it's one of those times when equality is a double-edged sword. Gay, straight, or whatever else, serial killers draw attention and morbid fame.

 

[ILoveGames48]

The thing about the show is this.. Ned to watch it so you have an idea what to look for if meeting a guy and going to his place or yours..

So know what to look for..

I dated a guy( not really dated.. just had sex— and his place smelled like rotten chicken .. he said it’s the trash he needs to take out.. shows me the chicken packages in the trash can.. I guess he saw I was getting kind of nervous about the smell..

So watch it so know more about what to look for .. and what’s strange is I had put myself into situations that could turned for the worse years ago.. but never think a person would do stuff like that when supposed to be looking for sex

 

[txam65536]

Boy, did it ever. Barf.

I still refuse to watch something that fetishizes a serial killer though, even if Somerton wound up being a piece of shit.

Somerton might be lurking this thread, given the narcissist that he is. I might have a clue on his Telegram username.

 

[Boaxy]

Oh dear. As a gay black myself, and being that I was born in the early 90s, so I'm learning about Dahmer's history secondhand, as opposed to people who lived it etc. I was hesitant to see the Netflix series, after hearing so many bad reviews/reception of it. But I finally caved in, and saw the series (minus the last episode which had Dahmer's trial, I felt that episode was horribly edited and I fast forwarded like 98 percent of it smh). I'll just say there were two Dahmer films in the 90s, (one had Jeremy Renner) and they were a lot lower budget than this was, and were better at portraying Dahmer's biography, and yeah.

Anyways, Ryan Murphy could have done better than this. This is the Glee, and American Horror Story guy, and yeah. It was just awful.

Production wise, Evan Peters, I'm gonna say it, he didn't look like Dahmer at all. He looked more like a preppy art student. So I feel that was already a problem. The Black actors/victims, whoever the fuck did their makeup/lighting/camera lighting needs to fucking get fired, and fucking shame on them. I had my brightness setting on the highest level, and I could still barely fucking see the Black actors faces smh.

I thought it dragged on much longer than it needed to. The episodes were all over the place timeline wise.

Netflix didn't even bother to consult the victims families. (Which they later went to the news and complained about it.) They said they weren't even compensated by Netflix either (which Netflix later sent the victims families each undisclosed amount of money after they complained, so yeah)

Dahmer was a known racist. I'll touch more on this later.

They got A LOT of facts wrong.

Dahmer grew up in regular middle class family. His Mother was not in the picture. Dahmer mostly stayed with his father and Grandmother. Which people say Dahmer's father Lionel was narcisstic. Dahmer dropped out of the Army, and had a fascination with mannequins. He later got a job at a chocolate factory.

The victim that if the police did their job right. The Asian/Laotian boy Konerak Sinthasomphone, Dahmer would have been caught then. But Dahmer lied and said he was an adult (when he was a minor, and there were two young Black girls who called 911 concerned because it was a minor boy) and Netflix got the facts wrong. The boy tried to escape Dahmer's apartment while Dahmer was at work, and police at that time in the early 90s were racist, and despite the victim being Asian saying Dahmer tried to kill him, and two witnesses trying to help the victim/called 911 being two young Black girls. The police sided with Dahmer, a White man, who persisted the boy was his boyfriend and he was just drunk, and let the boy go back with him. So yeah. To where Dahmer later killed this boy shortly after this.

In the Netflix series; The guy that Dahmer drugged/roofied at a bar and later brought to his grandmothers house. (Errol Lindsey) His family later slammed Netflix, for telling events, not how they happened. (His sister Rita, was even later known for having a courtroom outburst at Dahmer's trial "Jeffrey I hate you satan" etc) Netflix portrayed as the drugged guy being knocked out on Dahmer's grandmothers couch, and Dahmer's grandmother being racist, being agitated that there is a Black guy in their house. Dahmer's grandmother does suggest that his victim go to the hospital, and she watches over him etc. At one point Dahmer tells his grandmother he's gonna take this guy (who he said was his friend) to the bus stop back home, which he does. The black guy walks off the bus still drugged, and Dahmer later come back for him.

What actually happened in reality, Dahmer ran into him at a hardware store, and they later chatted, became close, and later went to a bar and got drunk. The victims car broke down, and the victim later passed out. Dahmer took advantage of this, and took him to his Grandmothers house which was nearby. Dahmer's grandmother actually was more concerned. So much that she took both the victim and Dahmer to the hospital. Dahmer told his grandmother, that the victim was his boyfriend. Dahmer couldn't do anything to him at this point, but his grandmother let him go back to Dahmer's apartment, where he was later killed.

Tony Hughes (the deaf Black guy), in the Netflix series, Dahmer lies and says that he's a photographer, and wants to help Tony get into a journalism career. Tony is not able to find a job (due to racism/and his disability) which causes him to get depressed, and Dahmer allow him to move into his place. Dahmer and Tony become Boyfriends, which Dahmer later ends up killing him after they become quite close.

What actually happened in Reality, isn't too far from the truth, but it's still twisted. Dahmer did lie and say he worked for a photography company, and was gonna help Tony Hughes find work. Dahmer then felt sorry for him as he was a gay black deaf guy, and invited him to house. Where Dahmer was gonna kill him, but he didn't and Dahmer became close with him. Dahmer even went to Tony Hughes house and had dinner with his family, to where his family because Dahmer was a white man, trusted him that the attraction/chemistry must be real/this isn't a joke/stunt. etc. As this was the early 90s and gay, let alone an interracial gay couple was a taboo thing to bring up. Tony Hughes family agreed that he could move in with Dahmer, and he did. Tony Hughes actually lived with Dahmer for quite some time, before Dahmer killed him, lying to his family that Tony Hughes is fine, and yeah. It's sad.

The guy who was Dahmer's final victim/the only one who escaped (Tracy Edwards), Netflix has Tracy fighting Dahmer and running out after he got suspicious of what he saw in Dahmer's apartment. What actually happened, is Dahmer yes met him at a Gay bar, and he went back to Dahmer's apartment and he and Tracy both, they got really drunk, to where at some point Dahmer said he put handcuffs on Tracy, but doesn't recollect doing that. The victim/Tracy originally tried to escape, and Dahmer caught him trying to leave, and and physically was fighting/punching Dahmer, but he later decided to think of a plan to sneak out and asked Dahmer if he can go to the liquor store to buy cigarettes, and Dahmer said he was gonna go to the store with him. Tracy then said it would look suspicious if a White and Black man were handcuffed together going to the liquor store, and Dahmer agreed, and for some reason felt he wasn't going to snitch, and he was coming right back. Dahmer later unlocked the handcuffs Tracy had and he then ran to the police and Dahmer was eventually accosted and the police found the bodies of his other victims stashed in his apartment.

When Dahmer was sent to prison, because he was White, had had no choice but to join a White supremacist gang, and he also religiously denounced his homosexuality/claiming he's no longer gay. Which Netflix loosely depicted with Dahmer getting baptized in prison etc.

Dahmer for whatever stupid ass reason was put in general population. His best friend in prison was Jesse Anderson. A guy who was a known white supremacist/KKK leader/murderer. Dahmer while he was in prison would put thumb tacks on the seats in chow hall/cafeteria where the Black inmates would sit. Dahmer would also spit in the Black inmates food, and also not even give Black inmates plates when Dahmer was in charge of handing out food etc. Dahmer would openly say racist insults to Black inmates while he was walking around the facility.

One of the Black inmates got tired of Dahmer's shit, (Christopher Scarver) who realistically had no idea of Dahmer on the outside (aside from rumors/gossip. This was in the early 90s so news spread differently). Netflix series portrayed it like Scarver researched Dahmer's rap sheet/history, and this is not true at all. I'm not saying he didn't know of Dahmer's past on the outside, but yeah. He decided that he was going to take advantage of a perfect opportunity, and Scarver killed both Anderson and Dahmer when all three were assigned kitchen cleaning duty. So yeah.

What actually happened, I guess isn't too far from how Netflix had it. Scarver decided to kill Anderson first, brutally eating him to death with a broom. Scarver then decided to kill Dahmer then noticed his buddy was dead, and Dahmer said to Scarver "I don't care if I die, go on and kill me man" and so yeah, to where Dahmer likewise with Anderson, was also beat to death in an identical fashion.

But yeah. I regret seeing the Netflix Dahmer series. The acting was bad. The lighting for the Black guys were awful. A lot of facts were wrong/twisted/puzzled. It had bad reaction, to Netflix having to pay the victims family to stop them from complaining/bitching, so yeah. Just sad. Dahmer was just a sick man, and it's really sad. Prayers to his victims families, who are still healing from all this. So yeah.

 

[Cumbob]

Oh dear. As a gay black myself, and being that I was born in the early 90s, so I'm learning about Dahmer's history secondhand, as opposed to people who lived it etc. I was hesitant to see the Netflix series, after hearing so many bad reviews/reception of it. But I finally caved in, and saw the series (minus the last episode which had Dahmer's trial, I felt that episode was horribly edited and I fast forwarded like 98 percent of it smh). I'll just say there were two Dahmer films in the 90s, (one had Jeremy Renner) and they were a lot lower budget than this was, and were better at portraying Dahmer's biography, and yeah.

Anyways, Ryan Murphy could have done better than this. This is the Glee, and American Horror Story guy, and yeah. It was just awful.

Production wise, Evan Peters, I'm gonna say it, he didn't look like Dahmer at all. He looked more like a preppy art student. So I feel that was already a problem. The Black actors/victims, whoever the fuck did their makeup/lighting/camera lighting needs to fucking get fired, and fucking shame on them. I had my brightness setting on the highest level, and I could still barely fucking see the Black actors faces smh.

I thought it dragged on much longer than it needed to. The episodes were all over the place timeline wise.

Netflix didn't even bother to consult the victims families. (Which they later went to the news and complained about it.) They said they weren't even compensated by Netflix either (which Netflix later sent the victims families each undisclosed amount of money after they complained, so yeah)

Dahmer was a known racist. I'll touch more on this later.

They got A LOT of facts wrong.

Dahmer grew up in regular middle class family. His Mother was not in the picture. Dahmer mostly stayed with his father and Grandmother. Which people say Dahmer's father Lionel was narcisstic. Dahmer dropped out of the Army, and had a fascination with mannequins. He later got a job at a chocolate factory.

The victim that if the police did their job right. The Asian/Laotian boy Konerak Sinthasomphone, Dahmer would have been caught then. But Dahmer lied and said he was an adult (when he was a minor, and there were two young Black girls who called 911 concerned because it was a minor boy) and Netflix got the facts wrong. The boy tried to escape Dahmer's apartment while Dahmer was at work, and police at that time in the early 90s were racist, and despite the victim being Asian saying Dahmer tried to kill him, and two witnesses trying to help the victim/called 911 being two young Black girls. The police sided with Dahmer, a White man, who persisted the boy was his boyfriend and he was just drunk, and let the boy go back with him. So yeah. To where Dahmer later killed this boy shortly after this.

In the Netflix series; The guy that Dahmer drugged/roofied at a bar and later brought to his grandmothers house. (Errol Lindsey) His family later slammed Netflix, for telling events, not how they happened. (His sister Rita, was even later known for having a courtroom outburst at Dahmer's trial "Jeffrey I hate you satan" etc) Netflix portrayed as the drugged guy being knocked out on Dahmer's grandmothers couch, and Dahmer's grandmother being racist, being agitated that there is a Black guy in their house. Dahmer's grandmother does suggest that his victim go to the hospital, and she watches over him etc. At one point Dahmer tells his grandmother he's gonna take this guy (who he said was his friend) to the bus stop back home, which he does. The black guy walks off the bus still drugged, and Dahmer later come back for him.

What actually happened in reality, Dahmer ran into him at a hardware store, and they later chatted, became close, and later went to a bar and got drunk. The victims car broke down, and the victim later passed out. Dahmer took advantage of this, and took him to his Grandmothers house which was nearby. Dahmer's grandmother actually was more concerned. So much that she took both the victim and Dahmer to the hospital. Dahmer told his grandmother, that the victim was his boyfriend. Dahmer couldn't do anything to him at this point, but his grandmother let him go back to Dahmer's apartment, where he was later killed.

Tony Hughes (the deaf Black guy), in the Netflix series, Dahmer lies and says that he's a photographer, and wants to help Tony get into a journalism career. Tony is not able to find a job (due to racism/and his disability) which causes him to get depressed, and Dahmer allow him to move into his place. Dahmer and Tony become Boyfriends, which Dahmer later ends up killing him after they become quite close.

What actually happened in Reality, isn't too far from the truth, but it's still twisted. Dahmer did lie and say he worked for a photography company, and was gonna help Tony Hughes find work. Dahmer then felt sorry for him as he was a gay black deaf guy, and invited him to house. Where Dahmer was gonna kill him, but he didn't and Dahmer became close with him. Dahmer even went to Tony Hughes house and had dinner with his family, to where his family because Dahmer was a white man, trusted him that the attraction/chemistry must be real/this isn't a joke/stunt. etc. As this was the early 90s and gay, let alone an interracial gay couple was a taboo thing to bring up. Tony Hughes family agreed that he could move in with Dahmer, and he did. Tony Hughes actually lived with Dahmer for quite some time, before Dahmer killed him, lying to his family that Tony Hughes is fine, and yeah. It's sad.

The guy who was Dahmer's final victim/the only one who escaped (Tracy Edwards), Netflix has Tracy fighting Dahmer and running out after he got suspicious of what he saw in Dahmer's apartment. What actually happened, is Dahmer yes met him at a Gay bar, and he went back to Dahmer's apartment and he and Tracy both, they got really drunk, to where at some point Dahmer said he put handcuffs on Tracy, but doesn't recollect doing that. The victim/Tracy originally tried to escape, and Dahmer caught him trying to leave, and and physically was fighting/punching Dahmer, but he later decided to think of a plan to sneak out and asked Dahmer if he can go to the liquor store to buy cigarettes, and Dahmer said he was gonna go to the store with him. Tracy then said it would look suspicious if a White and Black man were handcuffed together going to the liquor store, and Dahmer agreed, and for some reason felt he wasn't going to snitch, and he was coming right back. Dahmer later unlocked the handcuffs Tracy had and he then ran to the police and Dahmer was eventually accosted and the police found the bodies of his other victims stashed in his apartment.

When Dahmer was sent to prison, because he was White, had had no choice but to join a White supremacist gang, and he also religiously denounced his homosexuality/claiming he's no longer gay. Which Netflix loosely depicted with Dahmer getting baptized in prison etc.

Dahmer for whatever stupid ass reason was put in general population. His best friend in prison was Jesse Anderson. A guy who was a known white supremacist/KKK leader/murderer. Dahmer while he was in prison would put thumb tacks on the seats in chow hall/cafeteria where the Black inmates would sit. Dahmer would also spit in the Black inmates food, and also not even give Black inmates plates when Dahmer was in charge of handing out food etc. Dahmer would openly say racist insults to Black inmates while he was walking around the facility.

One of the Black inmates got tired of Dahmer's shit, (Christopher Scarver) who realistically had no idea of Dahmer on the outside (aside from rumors/gossip. This was in the early 90s so news spread differently). Netflix series portrayed it like Scarver researched Dahmer's rap sheet/history, and this is not true at all. I'm not saying he didn't know of Dahmer's past on the outside, but yeah. He decided that he was going to take advantage of a perfect opportunity, and Scarver killed both Anderson and Dahmer when all three were assigned kitchen cleaning duty. So yeah.

What actually happened, I guess isn't too far from how Netflix had it. Scarver decided to kill Anderson first, brutally eating him to death with a broom. Scarver then decided to kill Dahmer then noticed his buddy was dead, and Dahmer said to Scarver "I don't care if I die, go on and kill me man" and so yeah, to where Dahmer likewise with Anderson, was also beat to death in an identical fashion.

But yeah. I regret seeing the Netflix Dahmer series. The acting was bad. The lighting for the Black guys were awful. A lot of facts were wrong/twisted/puzzled. It had bad reaction, to Netflix having to pay the victims family to stop them from complaining/bitching, so yeah. Just sad. Dahmer was just a sick man, and it's really sad. Prayers to his victims families, who are still healing from all this. So yeah.

Wow I got some additional context that wasn’t on his wiki page! I watched the series and as a gay black guy I definitely felt as though he had a fetish for black men like a lot of suburban white guys have. I’ve definitely been with men that have a similar personality to him and have been through some shit cause I was young, dumb, and full of cum. Nowadays I’m way more cautious, but imagine how many dudes are like him still out there preying on young men of color like he was. They find vulnerable people that are desperate for love/money and totally take advantage. Watching the movie I couldn’t help but think how if I was 21 at a bar and he walked up to me I might have ended up stuffed in his freezer lol.

The thing that gets me is how calculated he was. I think even the last victim…his guilty conscious was getting to him but he didn’t have the courage to pull the trigger so he had his victim do it instead. Then he goes to jail…feeling like crap about what he did he takes it out on the black prisoners there, knowing that they’re gonna kill him, which is what he wants anyway. It’s honestly just kinda fucked up how even in the end his white male privilege allowed him to have a comfortable end of life where he got to at least have some more victims in the form of bullying.

The show is entertaining, but honestly to me it just comes off as sort of snuff porn like and not very genuine. The acting was pretty good though, especially from Nicey Nash. I think it’s just daytime cop drama with a gay twist to it lol, not very historically accurate but gives the girls something to talk about lol