Why are some gay men so transphobic racist and misogynistic

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one disgusting guy said to me on Grindr “f - - - “ accept other “ f - - - “ not “ t - - - - - - - “ or other gender confused people “ This was when I was 19 I am now 21 I am A Transgender Girl On A Journey I think I’m Transfeminine, and think I have a Feminine Soul, but There is so much racism and transphobia and just betrayed against The Trans community by gay guys and through research I have learned this is a problem since the Stonewall Riots where gay men (mostly white gay men) took the work Marsha P. Johnson And Sylvia Rivera And The Outsiders Of The Community Made And turned it into a movement only to get themselves accepted,

Also there is so much bi phobia and pan phobia

I’ve learned that if you take away the gay part in gay white man you get white man thus “white male privilege”

We are one community that needs to be intersectional for the beings who are different and all races and, gender identities, sizes, and romantic identities should be accepted , Intersex, Asexual, Two- Spirit, Abrosexual, Aromantic, GenderQueer, Gender Fluid, Bi Gender, Tri Gender, Third Gender, Pansexual, Agender, And Other Diverse Complex Identities Need To Be Fully Protected Unser Laws And Represented Equally!!!!
 
Really don’t understand why white gay guys get acccused of all this BS when there’s so few conservative gay guys and they’re not even racist or anything. Most white gay guys are crazy sjws btw.
Really don’t understand why white gay guys get acccused of all this BS when there’s so few conservative gay guys and they’re not even racist or anything. Most white gay guys are crazy sjws btw.


The Queer Community Has to Stop Being Transphobic: Realizing My Cisgender Privilege
 
Really don’t understand why white gay guys get acccused of all this BS when there’s so few conservative gay guys and they’re not even racist or anything. Most white gay guys are crazy sjws btw.

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Really don’t understand why white gay guys get acccused of all this BS when there’s so few conservative gay guys and they’re not even racist or anything. Most white gay guys are crazy sjws btw.
No actually there a lot of ignorant gay white guys, and there is one gay conservative who used the logic of drinking milk as an example of how the white race is superior COMPLETELY RIDICULOUS!!!!
 
No actually there a lot of ignorant gay white guys, and there is one gay conservative who used the logic of drinking milk as an example of how the white race is superior COMPLETELY RIDICULOUS!!!!
So even though most gay white guys support BLM, these retards make all white gay guys racist?

So what about a black politician saying “I’m not calling for the slaughtering of all white people, at least for now”? Let me guess, even though the majority of blacks love it there’s not a single black person who is a genocidal maniac.
 
And Other Diverse Complex Identities Need To Be Fully Protected Unser Laws And Represented Equally!!!!

Represented equally? You mean that an identity group that represents 1 in 200 people needs to receive the same representation as a group that represents 190 in 200 people?
 
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So even though most gay white guys support BLM, these retards make all white gay guys racist?

So what about a black politician saying “I’m not calling for the slaughtering of all white people, at least for now”? Let me guess, even though the majority of blacks love it there’s not a single black person who is a genocidal maniac.


I should have worded this better, I’m trying to say that a lot of comments and profiles from white gay men, especially on Grindr have been racist, and there is racism in the Gay Community
 
This is a complicated issue that isn't easily explained. I'm not a psychologist or sociologist. However, I am a gay man of color who has endured bullying as long as I can remember in my 30+ years on this earth -- first for my race, then my sexuality, and then combination of both -- I can share my thoughts.

I think it boils down to two things: privilege and the media. And they are inherently intertwined. What follows may be a generalization/simplification, but hear me out:

White gays (in particular, gay men) are inherently privileged. Most outwardly "pass," meaning they don't disrupt the norm. People of color automatically do not "pass." And neither do transgender people, unless they fall into a very narrowly definition of the norm (i.e. feminized facial features, long hair, breasts, etc.).

Anything outside of that norm is the "other." Some might say white gay men bully because they were bullied. Perhaps. But I believe they simply bully to exert their power over the "other." In all groups, dominant types are elevated. In nature, that is the strongest. Which can explain why the ripped, jock type may prevail. But why white gays in particular?

The answer? The media. White gays are the prevailing image is gay media, advertising etc. The media in general is, but especially LGBT media? Why? There's a safeness to seeing white LGBT representations, both to white and LGBT audiences.

"Sure, they may be gay, but at least they look like me," both groups can say.

What doesn't look like the norm? A trans person of color. The "other." And because of that, white gays want to control that, to set the image of what is the norm in LGBT culture, and the easiest way to do so is demonize the "other." To portray them as so different they are not the norm. Or even less than the norm.

Before Grindr initiated their Kindr policy, I saw the most egregiously racists posts (many of which are still archived on Douchebags of Grindr). There were the blanket "No Asians" advisories, so commonplace that no one batted an eye to seeing "no fats, no fems, no Asians" on profiles. I have had guys hit me up for the sole reason of saying racist things. And if I tell a guy I'm not interested, they retaliate by saying things like "chink loser" (yes, even other Asians will say that).

And if you think words are bad, I have had horrible things done to me. Guys on Grindr have sent me fake addresses and had me drive out 30-40 minutes away to a random neighborhood, often in the dark (this has sadly happened several times). One guy gave me a fake address and once I arrived, wandered around and couldn't find the house, he wrote he hopes whoever owned the house I was at would call the police on me.

I've had a white guy literally stick his hand in my face at a club. All I did was approach him to say he was handsome, not even getting five feet near him. And I've lost count of how many times white guys have walked out on me the moment I enter the steamroom at a spa (ironically, Korean spa) or closed doors in my face.

What is the reason for their behavior? Note, in all of these cases, I did nothing inappropriate, creepy or violating towards these white guys. They wanted to establish dominance over me (and some even hurt me) on the basis of race. Because they want to have the power.

How do I know this? Because it's become so engrained that people of color are starting to act the same way. Gay Asians are super nasty to other gay Asians. I always get nasty looks from other Asians -- maybe they see me as the "other," maybe they see me as competition.

I embarrassingly find myself doing the same thing. If I see an Asian who might not speak English as well, or someone dressed very fem (as I have bought into all the media brainwashing and try to "pass" as straight as possible), I think I'm better than them and try to "other" them by staying away, thinking something mean, or even saying something.

I'm ashamed to admit that, but it's true. Sadly, I don't think a lot of white gays have that awareness of being the "other," which is only reinforced by the media. It's an ugly, difficult-to-break circle.
 
This is a complicated issue that isn't easily explained. I'm not a psychologist or sociologist. However, I am a gay man of color who has endured bullying as long as I can remember in my 30+ years on this earth -- first for my race, then my sexuality, and then combination of both -- I can share my thoughts.

I think it boils down to two things: privilege and the media. And they are inherently intertwined. What follows may be a generalization/simplification, but hear me out:

White gays (in particular, gay men) are inherently privileged. Most outwardly "pass," meaning they don't disrupt the norm. People of color automatically do not "pass." And neither do transgender people, unless they fall into a very narrowly definition of the norm (i.e. feminized facial features, long hair, breasts, etc.).

Anything outside of that norm is the "other." Some might say white gay men bully because they were bullied. Perhaps. But I believe they simply bully to exert their power over the "other." In all groups, dominant types are elevated. In nature, that is the strongest. Which can explain why the ripped, jock type may prevail. But why white gays in particular?

The answer? The media. White gays are the prevailing image is gay media, advertising etc. The media in general is, but especially LGBT media? Why? There's a safeness to seeing white LGBT representations, both to white and LGBT audiences.

"Sure, they may be gay, but at least they look like me," both groups can say.

What doesn't look like the norm? A trans person of color. The "other." And because of that, white gays want to control that, to set the image of what is the norm in LGBT culture, and the easiest way to do so is demonize the "other." To portray them as so different they are not the norm. Or even less than the norm.

Before Grindr initiated their Kindr policy, I saw the most egregiously racists posts (many of which are still archived on Douchebags of Grindr). There were the blanket "No Asians" advisories, so commonplace that no one batted an eye to seeing "no fats, no fems, no Asians" on profiles. I have had guys hit me up for the sole reason of saying racist things. And if I tell a guy I'm not interested, they retaliate by saying things like "chink loser" (yes, even other Asians will say that).

And if you think words are bad, I have had horrible things done to me. Guys on Grindr have sent me fake addresses and had me drive out 30-40 minutes away to a random neighborhood, often in the dark (this has sadly happened several times). One guy gave me a fake address and once I arrived, wandered around and couldn't find the house, he wrote he hopes whoever owned the house I was at would call the police on me.

I've had a white guy literally stick his hand in my face at a club. All I did was approach him to say he was handsome, not even getting five feet near him. And I've lost count of how many times white guys have walked out on me the moment I enter the steamroom at a spa (ironically, Korean spa) or closed doors in my face.

What is the reason for their behavior? Note, in all of these cases, I did nothing inappropriate, creepy or violating towards these white guys. They wanted to establish dominance over me (and some even hurt me) on the basis of race. Because they want to have the power.

How do I know this? Because it's become so engrained that people of color are starting to act the same way. Gay Asians are super nasty to other gay Asians. I always get nasty looks from other Asians -- maybe they see me as the "other," maybe they see me as competition.

I embarrassingly find myself doing the same thing. If I see an Asian who might not speak English as well, or someone dressed very fem (as I have bought into all the media brainwashing and try to "pass" as straight as possible), I think I'm better than them and try to "other" them by staying away, thinking something mean, or even saying something.

I'm ashamed to admit that, but it's true. Sadly, I don't think a lot of white gays have that awareness of being the "other," which is only reinforced by the media. It's an ugly, difficult-to-break circle.
Your Response is truly introspective and honest and brave thank you so much This is exactly why I posted this thread to show the discrimination in the community and the white supremacy feelings and Asian LGBT++++ are Rarely represented, I think society does see Trans Beings Of Color as “outsiders” and the other letters (there are many many letters) are the outsiders of the community if we don’t match up with the standards of the patriarchy stupidity of this society and I want to say I am deeply sorry, From the deepest part of me I am truly sorry for the discrimination you have faced and survived that is not fair how the community favors or gets most of the power over one another all groups should be qual, as you say Tha this is a very tough cycle it really is also it is a capitalist overly commercialized one at that, I understand how those toxoc thoughts and the feeling of want to “pass” and be accepted and judge other beings on Grindr but I would try to be as kind as I could, but still I got unconfrortable and to be honest I let the hatefulness get to me where they blinded me into not getting with this one being who was actually amazing yet I was being shallow. I Have bias to and I have to work every day to kill that bias, I don’t want to have a “preference” but being on Grindr can influence one to being discriminatory all dating apps can which I am guilty of and that is 100% not okay. I know exactly what it means to be brainwashed by that toxicity and breaking away is the best thing one can do, one can realize that there are so many different complex and beautiful groups and representations of the community, with all races in them, and the need for every race to be represented is the key not just white members of the community who I think get over represented time for change. You are Intelligent and you can break away from that toxicity You Are Amazing And Extremely deep and very introspective and aware. This is the whole reason I created this thread to have conversations like this. Don’t listen to those ignorant assholes who say that you are unnatractive or not worthy because you are!!!! I love Looking Through The douchebags of Grindr I need to delete that toxic app
 
Monosexuality and heteronormativity are clearly root causes of misogyny and gender based bigotry.

Fortunately the wise of the younger generations and some of the older are realising that humans are naturally sexually fluid and sexual identity politics are oppressive.
 
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You didn't answer my question though. I'm trying to figure out what you really mean when you say that diverse identities need to be represented equally.
I’m saying being represented on TV shows, films, and the media, just like Underrepresentation Of Beings Of Color the other Lesser known letters Of The Community And Members Of Color Of The Community Are severely underrepresented
 
I’m saying being represented on TV shows, films, and the media, just like Underrepresentation Of Beings Of Color the other Lesser known letters Of The Community And Members Of Color Of The Community Are severely underrepresented

Relative to what? Are you saying they're underrepresented relative to their proportion of the overall population?
 
Relative to what? Are you saying they're underrepresented relative to their proportion of the overall population?
I guess representation both in terms of proportion and 'authenticity'? What mainstream media tells us about certain groups and how they are typically presented, e.g. Trans Tribulations - TV Tropes

I am not convinced that gay men are any more transphobic, racist or misogynistic than the population at large, or what the evidence of that is.