women and their "looks"

[Thirdlegproduction]

Uh, just because some people shop for comfortable clothing, doesn't mean everyone does all the time. My day to day wear which I like, is comfy. My dress up clothing which I like, isn't necessarily.

I fucking love how corsets look. I fucking love the corset that I own. I wear it because I like it. Is it comfy? Not particularly (Steel boning). I fucking love how stiletto high heels can look. I fucking love the stiletto high heeled pumps I have. I wear them because I like them. Are they comfy? Not especially. Then again, they're also not as bad as I thought they would be with a 5" heel, either. I like "pretending" to be tall sometimes for shits and giggles. Are you done beating this dead horse yet? It's ok to be wrong sometimes. Quit trying to tell me why I do something/what I must be thinking

In stead of trying to overpower another with my opinion I'm trying to absorb as many opinions as possible and add to mine, this is a forum where intellectuals discuss everyday subjects so there's no beating a dead horse because you are unable to seperate your feelings from the subject.

All of the women have said something allong the lines of "Because I like it" but never questioned why they like or dislike something.

http://i.pbase.com/o6/90/395790/1/70056272.gTI0mxIx._MG_3519a.jpg
This woman is no different from you wearing high heels or corsets.
Her environment has decided on what is perceived as beautifull by the population and not her and her likings.
You feel attractive wearing those items because others in your part of the world over several decades have decided long legs and a skinny waste are beautifull, ergo you dress the way you do because of and for others.
Just like the tribal woman who extended her lips or several millions of asian women who would bind their feet as their society felt smaller feet were more feminine.

So no I'm not convinced if any person man or female says I dress only for me and me alone unless you've had no contact with the outside world.

 

[693987]

In stead of trying to overpower another with my opinion I'm trying to absorb as many opinions as possible and add to mine, this is a forum where intellectuals discuss everyday subjects so there's no beating a dead horse because you are unable to seperate your feelings from the subject.

All of the women have said something allong the lines of "Because I like it" but never questioned why they like or dislike something.

:lame:

Bullshit. You're telling me my own thoughts are basically a lie. I, and others have stated our opinions, of ourselves, from our own thoughts. You're saying, OH NO, it CLEARLY is x, y, and z. You are not in my brain, you are not in my thoughts, you don't know what I'm thinking.

Also, I don't recall you asking if us women have questioned why they liked/disliked something. So don't ASSUME that we've never questioned it. It may not have been mentioned, but that doesn't mean those thoughts never crossed any of our minds.

I'm perfectly able to separate my feelings from the subject. I've gotten irked because you're telling me my thoughts aren't my thoughts/that I must REALLY be thinking something else. I'm not. Fuck off.

You feel attractive wearing those items because others in your part of the world over several decades have decided long legs and a skinny waste are beautifull, ergo you dress the way you do because of and for others.
Just like the tribal woman who extended her lips or several millions of asian women who would bind their feet as their society felt smaller feet were more feminine.

Um yep, because you totally know I'm trying to do what is deemed attractive by other people.

And... others in my part of the world? Please. My "people" are either... a white bread middle America suburbia Caucasian Christian family I was adopted by, OR Koreans who I know absolutely nothing about who I share genetic material with. Go ahead, enlighten me as to how that MUST be why I like corsets. :thumbsdown2:

 

[sbat]

:lame:

Bullshit. You're telling me my own thoughts are basically a lie. I, and others have stated our opinions, of ourselves, from our own thoughts. You're saying, OH NO, it CLEARLY is x, y, and z. You are not in my brain, you are not in my thoughts, you don't know what I'm thinking.

Also, I don't recall you asking if us women have questioned why they liked/disliked something. So don't ASSUME that we've never questioned it. It may not have been mentioned, but that doesn't mean those thoughts never crossed any of our minds.

I'm perfectly able to separate my feelings from the subject. I've gotten irked because you're telling me my thoughts aren't my thoughts/that I must REALLY be thinking something else. I'm not. Fuck off.



Um yep, because you totally know I'm trying to do what is deemed attractive by other people.

And... others in my part of the world? Please. My "people" are either... a white bread middle America suburbia Caucasian Christian family I was adopted by, OR Koreans who I know absolutely nothing about who I share genetic material with. Go ahead, enlighten me as to how that MUST be why I like corsets. :thumbsdown2:

He's saying that some portion of your preferences of what is beautiful is socialized. Part of that socialization comes from external validation - ie having others react positively to your preferences. Whether you choose acknowledge that external influence or not does not negate its effect on you.

 

[twoton]

Before I get crucified for anything, I used to dress my wife.

I dress for my wife a lot of the time. And I ask her advice on what to wear a lot of the time. Moreover, she buys a lot of my clothes. But I think that's probably true for a lot of married men.

 

[twoton]

My ex used to have the same kind of ideas as the OP about why women dress up. He even thought that if a woman showed cleavage or wore anything risque', she was saying "fuck me" non-verbally.

Now I'll have to go back and read my OP. :wink:

I wasn't implying it was exactly a "fuck me" message, but was curious if women intentionally put on a look to catch a guy's intention just for the shits and giggles of doing it.

It seems the answers range from "piss off" to "only if it's a special guy with whom I have shared pleasurable experiences."

E.g., this morning my wife left for work wearing a cool summer dress and mild wedges. Mild, not wild. She likes the dress and looks presentably professional in it. Plus, it's required that she wear clothes to work. I think she looked pretty damn hot. As a college instructor, however, the last thing she wants is to appear hot to her students.

 

[693987]

He's saying that some portion of your preferences of what is beautiful is socialized. Part of that socialization comes from external validation - ie having others react positively to your preferences. Whether you choose acknowledge that external influence or not does not negate its effect on you.

Eh, I loved socio-cultural anthropology and psychology when I was a student before. I realize people always have external influences. However, my thoughts/opinions are still my own and no less valid than him just going NOPE UR WRONG! It's THIS way because that's what I think you think! ...which is what I feel like his posts have turned into.

 

[D_vfrd7uyd5rfi]

I think women dress to conform to the norms set by other women, not necessarily to attract men. You can ask yourself the same question: Do men dress to attract women or do they dress to conform to male standards? The ladder would probably be the more accepted answer.