Scars after circumcision !?

[SirConcis]

I spoke to a doctor about the step in a baby circ where the foreskin is separated from glans. And if you look at the stanford videos (as opposed to the anti-circ ones with the fake soundtrack of babies crying loudly when the baby's mouth doesn't move), you will see that the adhesions are easy to separate. This is because they generally have not fully hardened yet. At birth, there are many aspect of the baby's body which are not quite "fully cooked" yet. this happens after birth.

For those babies with stong adhesions, they break down later as the glans keratinises which causes the adhesions to detach from glans and this can happen many years later. On the other hand, some babies have retractable foreskin from birth, and if parents then retract and wash daily, adhesions don't form.

Consider skin bridges on baby circs. The glans at that stage is still "sticky" so if the scar is in contact with glans, it will adhere to it and it becomes a hard adhesion that can last a lifetime. Similarly, with a foreskin, it may not be tightly adhered at birth but because the gland is in its "sticky" phase, those adhesions harden shortly after birth.

 

[gymfresh]

In utero, the glans and proximal urethra develop first. Then the cells at the distal end of the glans fold in and form a canal that joins up with the proximal urethra. At the same time, the foreskin develops and advances to the end of the glans while sharing a common epithelium with the glans. At birth the fusion is the most fundamental and strongest it will ever be, barring unnatural adhesions that develop from premature retraction in infancy or childhood.

Some boys are born with a mobile foreskin, but it's extremely rare. The requisite lysing with a probe done prior to infant circumcision is never easy; it's a messy, painful process that scars both inner foreskin and glans. Any doctor who thinks differently is deluding himself or herself. When we talk about the newborn's penis as being "not fully cooked" yet, it refers not to an advancing and adhering foreskin, which in normal boys is complete prior to birth, but to the natural process of balano-preputial delamination. On average, this takes about 10 years from birth to complete. That's why some think of the preputial synechia as the male hymen.

It is not easier to circumcise a newborn than a 3-year-old, on the basis of preputial adhesion. Quite the opposite. Removing the foreskin right at birth carries the highest risk of doing the most developmental damage, and is the hardest time to gauge the effect on the penis. The rule of thumb is the longer you wait, the better the outcome. Circumcision complications go down dramatically, too.

This business of "catching and cutting off the foreskin before it really adheres any more" is more than disinformation. It's utter bullshit.

 

[D_Bubba_Butter]

I spoke to a doctor...

Perhaps you should get yourself a different doctor.

 

[rollerboy]

Was the white area between glans and your real circumcision scar always there or did it appear at puberty ?

Circumcision techniques in current use are designed to not damage the glans or remaining inner foreskin. Perhaps your inner skin was really adhered strongly to glans. For newborns adhesions are generally weak and easy to separate because they haven't finihsed fusing skin to glans which comes later (until they then start to break down later)

It was always there and was a source of teasing growing up standing at the trough urinals in school. Became even more noticeable during puberty. I checked with a dermatologist and the doc said nothing could be done. Then I found out about cosmeric tattooing. A female friend who is heavily tatted said if you are going to endure the pain then get something to show for it--therefore the flame ! I am happy for the result. If you look closely at this pic, you can see the scar faintly. Thanks for the reply !!!

 

[rollerboy]

In utero, the glans and proximal urethra develop first. Then the cells at the distal end of the glans fold in and form a canal that joins up with the proximal urethra. At the same time, the foreskin develops and advances to the end of the glans while sharing a common epithelium with the glans. At birth the fusion is the most fundamental and strongest it will ever be, barring unnatural adhesions that develop from premature retraction in infancy or childhood.

Some boys are born with a mobile foreskin, but it's extremely rare. The requisite lysing with a probe done prior to infant circumcision is never easy; it's a messy, painful process that scars both inner foreskin and glans. Any doctor who thinks differently is deluding himself or herself. When we talk about the newborn's penis as being "not fully cooked" yet, it refers not to an advancing and adhering foreskin, which in normal boys is complete prior to birth, but to the natural process of balano-preputial delamination. On average, this takes about 10 years from birth to complete. That's why some think of the preputial synechia as the male hymen.

It is not easier to circumcise a newborn than a 3-year-old, on the basis of preputial adhesion. Quite the opposite. Removing the foreskin right at birth carries the highest risk of doing the most developmental damage, and is the hardest time to gauge the effect on the penis. The rule of thumb is the longer you wait, the better the outcome. Circumcision complications go down dramatically, too.

This business of "catching and cutting off the foreskin before it really adheres any more" is more than disinformation. It's utter bullshit.

Thank you for this information. My scar was behind the glans where the foreskin was torn off but in front of the "circumcision scar" which is quite nice and looks fine. I wouldn't change it !!!

 

[SirConcis]

gymfresh, the strength of adhesions is not the same for every boy at birth. Some adhesions are still "young" and easy to separate while other are stronger.

And no, it is never one epithelium. Initially, the glans is naked and then the skin grows to cover glans. The skin that is in contact with glans develops differently (inner foreksin) at which point adhesions begin to form.

Many years go, there was a short and small video on the web showing penis development of a feotus (it was meant to show differentiation from female development) and you could clearly see naked glans initially and skin growing to cover it.

 

[JTalbain]

gymfresh, the strength of adhesions is not the same for every boy at birth. Some adhesions are still "young" and easy to separate while other are stronger.

And no, it is never one epithelium. Initially, the glans is naked and then the skin grows to cover glans. The skin that is in contact with glans develops differently (inner foreksin) at which point adhesions begin to form.

Many years go, there was a short and small video on the web showing penis development of a feotus (it was meant to show differentiation from female development) and you could clearly see naked glans initially and skin growing to cover it.

Curious here, what exactly was this video taken with? Time lapse in vitro camera? Sonograms? Or was this merely a graphic representation showing what they thought the development was like? If it's the latter, you'd be able to get us a link for it, right?

 

[SirConcis]

I think it was ultrasound. It was b&w. And I have not seen it since. This was in the early days of internet video (small video size) and way before youtube, and was on some medical site.